Would it be effective to do leg curls and hit hamstring failure then without rest jump straight to deadlifts (overhand conventional) so that the other muscles involved in the deadlift help push the hamstrings beyond failure?
And what fails first in the deadlift? if it is the hamstrings that fail first then this won’t work…
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For some reason it sounds like a bad idea, I’m not sure why. Maybe I’m wrong, but I would assume all the other posterior chain muscles would take on the stress from the hamstrings. That’s why compounds are usually followed by isolations.
You could just do it and see how you feel.
Well im of the high intensity school. pre exhaust is actually effective with isolations first and then the compound which will help the earlier isolated muscle go beyond failure to obtain greater stimulus.
An example here , pullover and then chinups, the pullover would fail the lats, and then the fresh biceps during the chinup would push the lats beyond that failure.
I do agree that using both compounds and isolations are a great idea for muscle growth, especially on a weak muscle group. However, I feel like going directly from Hamstring Curl to deadlift with no rest is probably going to fatigue your glutes and your lower back a bit more preferentially since the hamstrings now have less to give. I haven’t tried this, but that would be my expectation and the very reason I haven’t tried it.
A stiff legged deadlift will more preferentially target hamstrings over a standard deadlift, so you may want to consider swapping those if hamstring development is your primary focus with it.
I have always liked the idea of pre-exhausting muscle training. My problem was it just didn’t seem to work for me (at least from my perspective.)
My most noticeable experience was lying DB flies immediately followed with the bench press. I did that or a couple months (about 1975) and decided to participate in the “Bench Press Party” that occurred frequently at the gym. I dropped about 20lbs from my maximum.
So, going forward I seldom did any pre-exhausting in my workouts.
I am not saying pre-exhausting doesn’t work, just that I didn’t use that strategy going forward, except on a few occasions.
No… why jump straight to them when you can rest and let your CNS recover for much better force production
Pull overs are not a good lat exercise
Pre exhaust is played out.
It’s all about Post Exhaust in current times.
Like bros have mentioned, if you use the isolation exercise first, it limits the weight, or the reps, the “intensity” or just plain volume of the big lift. You could end up less strong on the big lift. And messing with pre exhaust on deadlift seems dangerous for hamstrings.
But if you do the big lift first you get all the weight, reps, intensity or volume that’s possible on the big lift. Then you get the bonus volume from doing the isolation lift 2nd. After that, you rest completely and attack the next set of the big lift without fatigue. And maybe it’s safer.
If you do something like a seated ham curl or a kneeling ham curl, you might even decompress your spine a little bit between sets of deads.
I started lifting weight before Nautilus existed. The barbell bent arm pullover from a bench with your head hanging over the end was a “staple” pec exercise of the time. The prevailing protocol was to use as much weight as possible for sets of 10 reps.
I remember those days too… expands the ribcage ha ! It’s a pec / tri exercise but pretty lousy for lats
I concur. I’ve done several Mountaindog workouts where Leg Curls are the first exercise, then you go to Deadlifts. But not in a superset, and indeed Romanian/Stiff-leg are superior.
If you don’t feel your hamstrings dying with these, you’re doing them wrong or are severely lacking mobility. Use 10kgs plates and go deep in the stretch.
Whether you do Leg Curls or Deadlifts first, or even Leg Curl first exercise of the session and Deadlifts last of the session, what will make your hamstring give up is really how your perform the deadlifts.
Push your hips as back as possible, feel the hammies stretch and scream. It’s not just about moving weight.
If my back is feeling cranky, I’ll do a bunch of leg extensions before squats. My quads are usually fully pumped, so I can use less weight, but get the stimulus I’m after with squats.
Tell that to Yates, lol
it was staple of his back workouts along with pulldowns and rows
Pulldowns and rows are great…but the pullover simply isn’t that effective for lats especially at certain ranges in the rep. It’s just science. People seem to forget many people look good in spite of what they’re doing not because of… and he did rows and rows and rows…
If you say so
Science says so. Argue with them.
That would never be my argument.
If you live long enough you will find “science” spending more time correcting itself than anyone else.
That happens too. But it also proves things plenty of times.
