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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Slim Jim wrote:
The confederate flag is OFFENSE to African-Americans PERIOD. It is RACIST. It has nothing to do with political correctness. I hope supporters of racist symbolism wear that emblem in the wrong neighborhood around the wrong people at the wrong time. End of discussion.

Oh I wouldn’t say that it’s the end of the discussion.

Tell me why the American flag is not offensive to African Americans? Didn’t Washington, Jefferson and other founding fathers own slaves?

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ZEB:

Another Generalization.

Actually the American flag is offensive to many African Americans, Native Americans, White Americans, purple, etc… No ethnic group are a monolithic people. I also know African Americans and Native Americans, especially those who served in the US Armed Forces, who are equally offended when the American flag is desecrated. An individuals political beliefs are that, INDIVIDUAL. Based on their personal experience and how they feel they are excepted/not excepted and treated in the country that they live. I am tired of pointing out the obvious.

One stereotype seems to be true. Some MEATHEADS spend to much time in the gym. Do any of you MEATHEADS actually read or get involved in progressive politics. Steriods must shrink the brain and the nads. No I am not a commie, I am vegan.

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I couldn’t resist because this was an f’n gem, I was wondering if anyone caught him talk about africans “hunting for water.”

Priceless…

Also, everyone needs to chill the fuck out, seriously. Life is too short to worry about shit like this and should be spent lifting weights and getting huge so when someone does say something that actually deserves bitching and whining (i.e. someone calls you a fag or says they banged your mom), you can whoop their ass instead.

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[quote]Slim Jim wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Slim Jim wrote:
The confederate flag is OFFENSE to African-Americans PERIOD. It is RACIST. It has nothing to do with political correctness. I hope supporters of racist symbolism wear that emblem in the wrong neighborhood around the wrong people at the wrong time. End of discussion.

Oh I wouldn’t say that it’s the end of the discussion.

Tell me why the American flag is not offensive to African Americans? Didn’t Washington, Jefferson and other founding fathers own slaves?

ZEB:

Another Generalization.[/quote]

Not at all!

A flag is a flag is a flag…

Well then let’s stop right there. How come it can be flown then?

If the confederate flag is offensive and should not be shown or flown, then why is it that the same notion does not apply to the American flag when you admit that that flag is offensive too?

Give me an answer and skip the drama.

So only stereotypes that you proclaim to be true are true?

Yea…

I would also wager that far more pain was dished out to black Americans under the American flag (longer history) than the confederate flag.

So…why is it okay and the CF is not?

Answer me please.

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[quote]bigblue244 wrote:
I couldn’t resist because this was an f’n gem, I was wondering if anyone caught him talk about africans “hunting for water.”

Priceless…

Also, everyone needs to chill the fuck out, seriously. Life is too short to worry about shit like this and should be spent lifting weights and getting huge so when someone does say something that actually deserves bitching and whining (i.e. someone calls you a fag or says they banged your mom), you can whoop their ass instead.
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But that wouldn’t be any fun would it?

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
bigblue244 wrote:
I couldn’t resist because this was an f’n gem, I was wondering if anyone caught him talk about africans “hunting for water.”

Priceless…

Also, everyone needs to chill the fuck out, seriously. Life is too short to worry about shit like this and should be spent lifting weights and getting huge so when someone does say something that actually deserves bitching and whining (i.e. someone calls you a fag or says they banged your mom), you can whoop their ass instead.

But that wouldn’t be any fun would it?

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I don’t know how you can consider this fun. To me it’s just frustrating and annoying. And while it may be somewhat of a tangent, I believe the ability, or inability in this instance, to find any sort of compromise on basically any important issue, is a prevalent charateristic in today’s society that is tearing us apart from the inside out.

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Being so young, why not do both. Compete/ train differently at different times of the year. I feel doing both will help you build a phenomenal all-round ability. Never try for absolute attempts just make progress. Being solely a powerlifter for the past 4 years sometimes leaves things monotonous; but doing both will not only stave off boredom but will compliment the other as well. I mean how many times have you heard or read that american OLers must get stronger. Pl training is that perfect compliment.

On elitefts.com there is an audio interview with Travis Mash (former OLer) where Mash credits the “westside” training philosophies to have tremendous validity to OL training. And mentions that classical OL training helped him build the confidence to adjust during the squat and deadlift because you are doing it (pulling and squatting) nearly everyday.

Pete Arroyo

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Slim Jim wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Slim Jim wrote:
The confederate flag is OFFENSE to African-Americans PERIOD. It is RACIST. It has nothing to do with political correctness. I hope supporters of racist symbolism wear that emblem in the wrong neighborhood around the wrong people at the wrong time. End of discussion.

Oh I wouldn’t say that it’s the end of the discussion.

Tell me why the American flag is not offensive to African Americans? Didn’t Washington, Jefferson and other founding fathers own slaves?

ZEB:

Another Generalization.

Not at all!

A flag is a flag is a flag…

Actually the American flag is offensive to many African Americans

Well then let’s stop right there. How come it can be flown then?

If the confederate flag is offensive and should not be shown or flown, then why is it that the same notion does not apply to the American flag when you admit that that flag is offensive too?

Give me an answer and skip the drama.

One stereotype seems to be true. Some MEATHEADS spend to much time in the gym.

So only stereotypes that you proclaim to be true are true?

Yea…

I would also wager that far more pain was dished out to black Americans under the American flag (longer history) than the confederate flag.

So…why is it okay and the CF is not?

Answer me please.

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Why is it ok and the CF is not? I think that decision is to be left up to the oppressed to decide what is offensive and what is not. Not the oppressor. Oppressor defined as someone who belongs to a dominant group (i.e. gender, religion, ethnicity, sexual orientation)

How can it be flown? The first amendment to the US constitution protects that right.

If someone in a social situation repeatedly used the word c*** in front of women who are obviously offended would you say or do nothing to stop the behavior?

If you where the person whose behavior was offensive and you knew that your behavior offended someone, would you continue the offensive behavior in front of that person and be a jerk, or would you change the offensive behavior? I think this is an issue of respect.

For the oppressor to decide what is offensive to the oppressed is racist, classist, sexist, and heterosexist.

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[quote]LA_Powerlifter wrote:
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I don’t know if you’ve ever thought about it … but where the hell would “African-Americans” be if it wasn’t for AMERICAN plantation owners?

What if there was never any demand to ship slaves to AMERICA?

What if?

I’ll tell you “what if …” … y’all would all be chasing damn animals across the deserts of Africa in a damn loin-cloth …

I don’t care whether you like the idea or not, but if you want to push this “racist” issue … and damn “slavery” issue … just think about where y’all would be if you’d never been brought to AMERICA?

Africa basically had NO infastructure before the Europeans started moving in,taking land and enslaving the natives …

The people of Africa just lived day to day, just hunting food … just hunting water … and just trying to survive …

What part of that cycle leads them to become educated about America or life outside of Africa?

Have you ever heard of any African explorers coming to America?

Was there ever some big group of Africans that desided to come to America to better themselves?

NO!

The American slave owners are the reason for Africans being brought into America … and it’s this America that eventually did free the slaves and over time gave them the same rights and opportunities of all the other citizens of America …

This AMERICA has given those desendants of African slaves all the same rights as those people who have immigrated on their own … we are ALL EQUAL whether you like it or not, or whether you agree or not …

… but all you want to do is piss and moan about RACISM and the SOUTH and all that BS … but where would you rather be??

Would you rather be in a country that thousands upon thousands have died to protect the homeland and the freedoms and rights that we all enjoy … living in a nice home with food on the table and your family safely tucked in their beds at night?

-OR-

Would you rather be in a 3rd world country … fighting to survive every day because there is no government to come in and help you or to provide anything? Living in fear of some random militant group coming to take over your village and kill your children??

… hmmmm …

What has AFRICA done for you lately??

You run around b*tching about being “African-americans” and your heritage and how bad the slaves had it and how aweful white people are and all that BS … but yet you won’t set back and think about how all these things came to pass …

Heck, even after this great country of ours has done everything it can to right the wrongs, you still won’t refer to yourself as an “AMERICAN” …

… you have to make the point to refer to yourself as an “African-american” …

… I seriously doubt that you were born in Africa … and probally no one in your family has been born in Africa in over 100 years … but yet you still won’t claim the name “AMERICAN” …

How about you just go take a piss on our flag and say “Fck you America! I don’t give a dmn if you do keep me safe at night and provide an economy for me to make a living and support my family! Fck you America! I don’t care how many fathers, mothers, sons, and daughters have spilt their blood on forgein soil to keep this nation free! Fck you America! I don’t give a dmn about the great life you have given me and my family for generations! Fck you America, I’m going to Africa!!”

Yeah … you just do that …

… I’ll still be here in the good 'ole U.S. of A. waving both the “Stars & Stripes” and the “Stars & Bars” proudly as I cherish my AMERICAN heritage … because I was not born anywhere else … I was born in AMERICA! … I am an AMERICAN! … and I would prouldly step up and give my life for Her because she have given so much to me …

You just think about that … [/quote]

On the subject of what if…
WHAT IF a superior alien race comes down from the sky, grabs you up, and anally probes you and your children’s children. I hope your “primitive” ass has the good grace to say: Thank you mr. alien sir, for brining me to your planet and shoving your tentacles up my butt. Without you, i would have just been stuck on my stupid planet “hunting water.”

btw, olympic lifting is alot of fun, and you can actually say: “my bench sucks” with pride :slight_smile:

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[quote]LA_Powerlifter wrote:
“The confederate flag is OFFENSE to African-Americans PERIOD. It is RACIST.” ??

I don’t know if you’ve ever thought about it … but where the hell would “African-Americans” be if it wasn’t for AMERICAN plantation owners?

What if there was never any demand to ship slaves to AMERICA?

What if?

I’ll tell you “what if …” … y’all would all be chasing damn animals across the deserts of Africa in a damn loin-cloth …

I don’t care whether you like the idea or not, but if you want to push this “racist” issue … and damn “slavery” issue … just think about where y’all would be if you’d never been brought to AMERICA?

It woulda’ been one hell’uva swim across the Atlantic …

Africa basically had NO infastructure before the Europeans started moving in,taking land and enslaving the natives …

The people of Africa just lived day to day, just hunting food … just hunting water … and just trying to survive …

What part of that cycle leads them to become educated about America or life outside of Africa?

Have you ever heard of any African explorers coming to America?

Was there ever some big group of Africans that desided to come to America to better themselves?

NO!

The American slave owners are the reason for Africans being brought into America … and it’s this America that eventually did free the slaves and over time gave them the same rights and opportunities of all the other citizens of America …

This AMERICA has given those desendants of African slaves all the same rights as those people who have immigrated on their own … we are ALL EQUAL whether you like it or not, or whether you agree or not …

… but all you want to do is piss and moan about RACISM and the SOUTH and all that BS … but where would you rather be??

Would you rather be in a country that thousands upon thousands have died to protect the homeland and the freedoms and rights that we all enjoy … living in a nice home with food on the table and your family safely tucked in their beds at night?

-OR-

Would you rather be in a 3rd world country … fighting to survive every day because there is no government to come in and help you or to provide anything? Living in fear of some random militant group coming to take over your village and kill your children??

… hmmmm …

What has AFRICA done for you lately??

You run around b*tching about being “African-americans” and your heritage and how bad the slaves had it and how aweful white people are and all that BS … but yet you won’t set back and think about how all these things came to pass …

Heck, even after this great country of ours has done everything it can to right the wrongs, you still won’t refer to yourself as an “AMERICAN” …

… you have to make the point to refer to yourself as an “African-american” …

… I seriously doubt that you were born in Africa … and probally no one in your family has been born in Africa in over 100 years … but yet you still won’t claim the name “AMERICAN” …

How about you just go take a piss on our flag and say “Fck you America! I don’t give a dmn if you do keep me safe at night and provide an economy for me to make a living and support my family! Fck you America! I don’t care how many fathers, mothers, sons, and daughters have spilt their blood on forgein soil to keep this nation free! Fck you America! I don’t give a dmn about the great life you have given me and my family for generations! Fck you America, I’m going to Africa!!”

Yeah … you just do that …

… I’ll still be here in the good 'ole U.S. of A. waving both the “Stars & Stripes” and the “Stars & Bars” proudly as I cherish my AMERICAN heritage … because I was not born anywhere else … I was born in AMERICA! … I am an AMERICAN! … and I would prouldly step up and give my life for Her because she have given so much to me …

You just think about that … [/quote]

WOW. Just WOW.

You need to switch schools son.

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[quote]Slim Jim wrote:

Why is it ok and the CF is not? I think that decision is to be left up to the oppressed to decide what is offensive and what is not.[/quote]

What if the “oppressed” all decided that the American flag was offensive. What should we do then?

Please tell, me who is oppressed in 2006? Site specific groups of oppressed and tell me exactly why they are oppressed.

Thank you.

I would think that the women involved would probably walk away…No? I also think that that is not a good comparision. As someone who is using bad language (which is pretty common in 2006) is quite a bit different than a nations flag.

No?

That totally depends upon who I was offending and why. Some people need to be offended. It’s not offensive behavior that’s bad…it’s who and why you are offending that matters.

Think about that for a few seconds. Can you give me any situtations where offensive behavior would be appropriate? Can you think of any group that might deserve to be offended? And can you think of any situtation where this might fit?

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Slim Jim wrote:

Why is it ok and the CF is not? I think that decision is to be left up to the oppressed to decide what is offensive and what is not.

What if the “oppressed” all decided that the American flag was offensive. What should we do then?

Not the oppressor. Oppressor defined as someone who belongs to a dominant group (i.e. gender, religion, ethnicity, sexual orientation)

Please tell, me who is oppressed in 2006? Site specific groups of oppressed and tell me exactly why they are oppressed.

Who is oppressed in 2006?

Thank you.

If someone in a social situation repeatedly used the word c*** in front of women who are obviously offended would you say or do nothing to stop the behavior?

I would think that the women involved would probably walk away…No? I also think that that is not a good comparision. As someone who is using bad language (which is pretty common in 2006) is quite a bit different than a nations flag.

No?

If you where the person whose behavior was offensive and you knew that your behavior offended someone, would you continue the offensive behavior in front of that person and be a jerk, or would you change the offensive behavior? I think this is an issue of respect.

That totally depends upon who I was offending and why. Some people need to be offended. It’s not offensive behavior that’s bad…it’s who and why you are offending that matters.

Think about that for a few seconds. Can you give me any situtations where offensive behavior would be appropriate? Can you think of any group that might deserve to be offended? And can you think of any situtation where this might fit?
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I do not understand your first question. It is a hypothetical which I do not believe will ever happen. You sound threatened by that possibility. I do not mean physically threaten.

African-Americans, Latinos, Women, Native Americans, Asian Americans and Homosexuals are examples of groups who are oppressed in 2006.

If you look at the unemployment rate, discrimination in the criminal justice system, the incarceration rate of blacks, latinos, and poor whites, the racist/classist application of the death penalty, drug laws and sentencing for the amount of possesion of crack cocaine as opposed to powdered cocaine, the issue of gay marriage, housing discrimination and real estate redlining, the military poverty draft, which also effects economically disadvantage white people, poverty in the Appalacian (mispelled) Mountain region, which effects poor whites, the conditions of Native Americans on reservations. Not all Indian Reservations have a Casinos.

I am not going to give any specific statistics. I think you need to do your homework.

Many people who have served in George W. Bush’s wars come from working class families. How many members of this presidential administration or the US Congress have relatives currently serving in the US Armed Forces? Not very many because they have class privilege. Privilege is not exclusive to gender or skin color, class privelege plays as much of a factor in oppression as anything else.

Their are wealthy African-Americans who are protected by class privelege. Could you or I afford a “Dream Team” if we were charged with murder or sexaully assaulting a woman in a hotel room in Colorado?

Do you think it is acceptable to make others feel uncomfortable? If so why?
Who needs to be offended and why?

No. I still do not know why you feel that people need to be offended.

I think there are factors other than oppression that cause the conditions of some minority groups. Some cultures do not value education; are not enterprenurial (mispelled), choose to work in professions that are not as economically beneficial as others; criminal behavior is socially exceptable; Parental irresponsible behavior is social exceptable;

I think those minorities need to be called out. I do not know if that is what you mean when you say that some people need to be offended.

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[quote] Slim Jim wrote:

Many people who have served in George W. Bush’s wars come from working class families. How many members of this presidential administration or the US Congress have relatives currently serving in the US Armed Forces? Not very many because they have class privilege. Privilege is not exclusive to gender or skin color, class privelege plays as much of a factor in oppression as anything else.
[/quote]

Hmm … many people were forced to serve in the military? Why would it matter how many working class people are serving in the military?

And I still don’t understand where you’re gettin this “oppression” crap from … who the hell is oppressed in America? Even though everyone isn’t living the 1950’s American Dream, no one is strait up oppressed here in America …

I know that I ranted the other day, but this BS has got to stop … you know you’ve got to feel stupid when you get all worked up and pissed and then you look around and remember that you’re venting your frustration on a keyboard and an internet forum … lol …

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[quote]testdog wrote:
Being so young, why not do both. Compete/ train differently at different times of the year. I feel doing both will help you build a phenomenal all-round ability. Never try for absolute attempts just make progress. Being solely a powerlifter for the past 4 years sometimes leaves things monotonous; but doing both will not only stave off boredom but will compliment the other as well. I mean how many times have you heard or read that american OLers must get stronger. Pl training is that perfect compliment.

On elitefts.com there is an audio interview with Travis Mash (former OLer) where Mash credits the “westside” training philosophies to have tremendous validity to OL training. And mentions that classical OL training helped him build the confidence to adjust during the squat and deadlift because you are doing it (pulling and squatting) nearly everyday.

Pete Arroyo[/quote]

Thank you for actually giving me advice on the Powerlifting/Olympic lifting topic … things have really gotten side-tracked around here …

I actually have kinda started mixing some Olympic lifting in with my Powerlifting workouts … I’ll usually just mix some big Olympic sets in with my lower volume Powerlifting sets …

Thanks for the advice man …

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[quote]MikeSh wrote:

On the subject of what if…
WHAT IF a superior alien race comes down from the sky, grabs you up, and anally probes you and your children’s children. I hope your “primitive” ass has the good grace to say: Thank you mr. alien sir, for brining me to your planet and shoving your tentacles up my butt. Without you, i would have just been stuck on my stupid planet “hunting water.”

btw, olympic lifting is alot of fun, and you can actually say: “my bench sucks” with pride :slight_smile:

[/quote]

lol … that was pretty funny …

About my bench, yeah … it definitly blows … but its always been like that … it has gotten a little better, but I just don’t like doing bench … not when I could be squatting or deadlifting or something like that … I’d much rather squat and deadlift heavy ass weight than bench heavy ass weight …

I’m just not really big on bench … lol … as you can tell …

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[quote]OneEye wrote:
What I’m wondering is, why is this kid even THINKING about lifting in gear at such a young age and such a low level of strength? To be lifting for 3 years and not be able to even bench your own bodyweight? And then jump in a bench shirt? And to not even have a 2x bodyweight squat or dead and put on a suit? Those are basic, beginner’s numbers that should be hit within a year, EASILY.[/quote]

Well … #1 … I don’t know how much everyone out there knows about powerlifting gear, and levels of powerlifting gear, but … not all gear is the crazy crap that adds tons of poundage to you lifts …

I’ve been competing with a single-layer polyester INZER Z-Suit … that is just about as low as you can get on the gear totem (sp?) pole … and as far as my suit goes, it’s not even tight … once again, if you know anything about powerlifting gear, you ususally want the tightest fit all over … well … my suit definitly isn’t tight, it’s just tight enough to provide a little extra support during lifts …

If you’re wondering why I use gear … right now its more for protection than performance … I’m also on a high school powerlifting team, and we have to wear suits …

#2 … I don’t train year-round … I normally train from August to March … that’s 7 months …

Our state’s actually powerlifting season only lasts from December to March or April …

#3 … what have I been doing? I’ve been making progress … progress as in going from being 300 lbs. @ 5’5’’ to being 255-260 @ 5’9’’ … progress as in going from squatting 185 in a meet to squatting 405 in a meet easily … progress as in going from benching 125 to benching 205 in a meet … progress as in going from deadlifting 270 to deadlifting 450 easily in a meet …

I always thought that powerlifting/ weight-lifting/ olympic-lifting/ body-building were all about getting better every time you step in the gym … I always thought it was about smashing plateaus and making new PR’s … I thought it was about heart … but … maybe it’s just about what some guy on the other end of a computer thinks I should be doing …

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Powerlift into college and come workout with LSU’s powerlifting team.

And there’s nothing wrong with being equipped at a young age, it’s not ideal, but if you’re competing and everyone else is using gear, you’re not going to try to go in raw if you want to be competitive.

Like trying to beat a car on foot.

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yeahhhh man, if i were you, i would start working on that bench, i am 16 (5’9 bout 180) and i can bench like 225 and ive only been lifting for like 5 months and my bench has came from doing 135 like 3 times to 225…but other than that your doing pretty sick

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[quote]LA_Powerlifter wrote:
Slim Jim wrote:

Many people who have served in George W. Bush’s wars come from working class families. How many members of this presidential administration or the US Congress have relatives currently serving in the US Armed Forces? Not very many because they have class privilege. Privilege is not exclusive to gender or skin color, class privelege plays as much of a factor in oppression as anything else.

Hmm … many people were forced to serve in the military? Why would it matter how many working class people are serving in the military?

And I still don’t understand where you’re gettin this “oppression” crap from … who the hell is oppressed in America? Even though everyone isn’t living the 1950’s American Dream, no one is strait up oppressed here in America …

I know that I ranted the other day, but this BS has got to stop … you know you’ve got to feel stupid when you get all worked up and pissed and then you look around and remember that you’re venting your frustration on a keyboard and an internet forum … lol … [/quote]

I joined this forum to discuss lifting. F*** this! I think any further discuss about the CF should be discussed on another thread. I did not even start this s***.

“Can’t we all just get along” -Rodney King.

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[quote]DevilFball wrote:
yeahhhh man, if i were you, i would start working on that bench, i am 16 (5’9 bout 180) and i can bench like 225 and ive only been lifting for like 5 months and my bench has came from doing 135 like 3 times to 225…but other than that your doing pretty sick[/quote]

I applaud your progress but please don’t write or say LIKE before ever sentence and please learn to use the proper tense of words.

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Just remember, most of these dudes who have off topic rants don’t know what the hell their doing anyway. I have read some of the responses on your inquiry and it makes me wonder how much time some of these guys spend training and getting stronger rather than running their mouths.

Keep paying your dues and don’t listen to the fools!
PA