[quote]seph89 wrote:
Let me know when you’re done…
[/quote]
It’s a genuine question and a fair opportunity to show that I’ve misunderstood what Arash stands for. I’m asking you for your personal experiences using Arash’s teachings and you’ve failed to give any. You’re dismissing me outright. If you’re unable to do so, I’m not the one who’s “done”…
I use to be a PUA. That methodology really does work, however
I didn’t like the person I was becoming so I stopped and my quality of life improved.
/thread
[quote]detazathoth wrote:
I use to be a PUA. That methodology really does work, however
I didn’t like the person I was becoming so I stopped and my quality of life improved.
/thread[/quote]
Of course the methodology works. They have taken a formula that has worked since the dawn of time, then attached whistles and bells to it and sold it to men who are desperate. The reason it works for these men is two fold. First they often were not doing anything at all to try and meet women, so when your attempt rate is 0, any method that involves actually attempting to chat women up will increase their success.
Second, when you pay a large amount of money for something, you are more likely to invest in it and so your success rate will improve.
At the heart of any of these PUA ‘techniques’ is the fact that they encourage you to talk to more women and either become more confident, or fake confidence until it becomes real. The more you practice the better you become. That is all that any of this PUA shit boils down to.
The problem is that some of these people have developed unhealthy attitudes towards women through years of rejection/being on their own. The real danger with the whole PUA thing is that some of these people will become successful at getting laid and then start selling their ‘secrets’ which are undoubtedly laced with a lot of animosity towards women.
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]seph89 wrote:
Let me know when you’re done…
[/quote]
It’s a genuine question and a fair opportunity to show that I’ve misunderstood what Arash stands for. I’m asking you for your personal experiences using Arash’s teachings and you’ve failed to give any. You’re dismissing me outright. If you’re unable to do so, I’m not the one who’s “done”…[/quote]
All you want to do is argue over the internet. If you really wanted to know you would have skipped all the bullshit and just sent me a PM, asking from the start. I would have been more than happy to answer your questions.
[quote]krebcycle wrote:
[quote]detazathoth wrote:
I use to be a PUA. That methodology really does work, however
I didn’t like the person I was becoming so I stopped and my quality of life improved.
/thread[/quote]
Of course the methodology works. They have taken a formula that has worked since the dawn of time, then attached whistles and bells to it and sold it to men who are desperate. The reason it works for these men is two fold. First they often were not doing anything at all to try and meet women, so when your attempt rate is 0, any method that involves actually attempting to chat women up will increase their success.
Second, when you pay a large amount of money for something, you are more likely to invest in it and so your success rate will improve.
At the heart of any of these PUA ‘techniques’ is the fact that they encourage you to talk to more women and either become more confident, or fake confidence until it becomes real. The more you practice the better you become. That is all that any of this PUA shit boils down to.
The problem is that some of these people have developed unhealthy attitudes towards women through years of rejection/being on their own. The real danger with the whole PUA thing is that some of these people will become successful at getting laid and then start selling their ‘secrets’ which are undoubtedly laced with a lot of animosity towards women.[/quote]
Agreed.
[quote]seph89 wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]seph89 wrote:
Let me know when you’re done…
[/quote]
It’s a genuine question and a fair opportunity to show that I’ve misunderstood what Arash stands for. I’m asking you for your personal experiences using Arash’s teachings and you’ve failed to give any. You’re dismissing me outright. If you’re unable to do so, I’m not the one who’s “done”…[/quote]
All you want to do is argue over the internet. If you really wanted to know you would have skipped all the bullshit and just sent me a PM, asking from the start. I would have been more than happy to answer your questions.[/quote]
It doesn’t work like that. YOU started a thread espousing the wisdom of another guy and all you’ve done is post a series of clips. I’m asking you a simple question: how has it benefitted YOU? All the bullshit has come from your end.
Why should I have PM’d you when your personal experience should have been the main focus of the thread from the start without anybody having to ask for it?
“Arash is an amazing guy. He changed my life. Here, watch these vids”…
Does not wash.
There has been no argument as far as I’m concerned. You are refusing to answer a question that shouldn’t even need to be asked.
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]seph89 wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]seph89 wrote:
Let me know when you’re done…
[/quote]
It’s a genuine question and a fair opportunity to show that I’ve misunderstood what Arash stands for. I’m asking you for your personal experiences using Arash’s teachings and you’ve failed to give any. You’re dismissing me outright. If you’re unable to do so, I’m not the one who’s “done”…[/quote]
All you want to do is argue over the internet. If you really wanted to know you would have skipped all the bullshit and just sent me a PM, asking from the start. I would have been more than happy to answer your questions.[/quote]
It doesn’t work like that. YOU started a thread espousing the wisdom of another guy and all you’ve done is post a series of clips. I’m asking you a simple question: how has it benefitted YOU? All the bullshit has come from your end.
Why should I have PM’d you when your personal experience should have been the main focus of the thread from the start without anybody having to ask for it?
“Arash is an amazing guy. He changed my life. Here, watch these vids”…
Does not wash.
There has been no argument as far as I’m concerned. You are refusing to answer a question that shouldn’t even need to be asked. [/quote]
Lol that’s not “how it works”??? I’m sharing a bunch of powerful video lectures with everyone. Do I need to mention what it did for ME for YOU to benefit from it??? If I DIDN’T find these videos valuable, why would I be sharing it with others?
[quote]seph89 wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]seph89 wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]seph89 wrote:
Let me know when you’re done…
[/quote]
It’s a genuine question and a fair opportunity to show that I’ve misunderstood what Arash stands for. I’m asking you for your personal experiences using Arash’s teachings and you’ve failed to give any. You’re dismissing me outright. If you’re unable to do so, I’m not the one who’s “done”…[/quote]
All you want to do is argue over the internet. If you really wanted to know you would have skipped all the bullshit and just sent me a PM, asking from the start. I would have been more than happy to answer your questions.[/quote]
It doesn’t work like that. YOU started a thread espousing the wisdom of another guy and all you’ve done is post a series of clips. I’m asking you a simple question: how has it benefitted YOU? All the bullshit has come from your end.
Why should I have PM’d you when your personal experience should have been the main focus of the thread from the start without anybody having to ask for it?
“Arash is an amazing guy. He changed my life. Here, watch these vids”…
Does not wash.
There has been no argument as far as I’m concerned. You are refusing to answer a question that shouldn’t even need to be asked. [/quote]
Lol that’s not “how it works”??? I’m sharing a bunch of powerful video lectures with everyone. Do I need to mention what it did for ME for YOU to benefit from it??? If I DIDN’T find these videos valuable, why would I be sharing it with others?
[/quote]
Gee, I dunno…maybe if you HAD benefitted from them you wouldn’t find it so hard to explain WHY when asked instead of directing me back to the vids which, by the way are anything but powerful.
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]seph89 wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]seph89 wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]seph89 wrote:
Let me know when you’re done…
[/quote]
It’s a genuine question and a fair opportunity to show that I’ve misunderstood what Arash stands for. I’m asking you for your personal experiences using Arash’s teachings and you’ve failed to give any. You’re dismissing me outright. If you’re unable to do so, I’m not the one who’s “done”…[/quote]
All you want to do is argue over the internet. If you really wanted to know you would have skipped all the bullshit and just sent me a PM, asking from the start. I would have been more than happy to answer your questions.[/quote]
It doesn’t work like that. YOU started a thread espousing the wisdom of another guy and all you’ve done is post a series of clips. I’m asking you a simple question: how has it benefitted YOU? All the bullshit has come from your end.
Why should I have PM’d you when your personal experience should have been the main focus of the thread from the start without anybody having to ask for it?
“Arash is an amazing guy. He changed my life. Here, watch these vids”…
Does not wash.
There has been no argument as far as I’m concerned. You are refusing to answer a question that shouldn’t even need to be asked. [/quote]
Lol that’s not “how it works”??? I’m sharing a bunch of powerful video lectures with everyone. Do I need to mention what it did for ME for YOU to benefit from it??? If I DIDN’T find these videos valuable, why would I be sharing it with others?
[/quote]
Gee, I dunno…maybe if you HAD benefitted from them you wouldn’t find it so hard to explain WHY when asked instead of directing me back to the vids which, by the way are anything but powerful.[/quote]
No really, if it weren’t for Arash, I would be a 2ft tall, cock sucking serial killer and professional baby bunny killer. It’s true! Actually, the only reason you aren’t one too is ARASH! He has that effect, even on people he hasn’t met yet! He’s like Frank Stallone!
[quote]postholedigger wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]seph89 wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]seph89 wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]seph89 wrote:
Let me know when you’re done…
[/quote]
It’s a genuine question and a fair opportunity to show that I’ve misunderstood what Arash stands for. I’m asking you for your personal experiences using Arash’s teachings and you’ve failed to give any. You’re dismissing me outright. If you’re unable to do so, I’m not the one who’s “done”…[/quote]
All you want to do is argue over the internet. If you really wanted to know you would have skipped all the bullshit and just sent me a PM, asking from the start. I would have been more than happy to answer your questions.[/quote]
It doesn’t work like that. YOU started a thread espousing the wisdom of another guy and all you’ve done is post a series of clips. I’m asking you a simple question: how has it benefitted YOU? All the bullshit has come from your end.
Why should I have PM’d you when your personal experience should have been the main focus of the thread from the start without anybody having to ask for it?
“Arash is an amazing guy. He changed my life. Here, watch these vids”…
Does not wash.
There has been no argument as far as I’m concerned. You are refusing to answer a question that shouldn’t even need to be asked. [/quote]
Lol that’s not “how it works”??? I’m sharing a bunch of powerful video lectures with everyone. Do I need to mention what it did for ME for YOU to benefit from it??? If I DIDN’T find these videos valuable, why would I be sharing it with others?
[/quote]
Gee, I dunno…maybe if you HAD benefitted from them you wouldn’t find it so hard to explain WHY when asked instead of directing me back to the vids which, by the way are anything but powerful.[/quote]
No really, if it weren’t for Arash, I would be a 2ft tall, cock sucking serial killer and professional baby bunny killer. It’s true! Actually, the only reason you aren’t one too is ARASH! He has that effect, even on people he hasn’t met yet! He’s like Frank Stallone!
[/quote]
[quote]postholedigger wrote:
No really, if it weren’t for Arash, I would be a 2ft tall, cock sucking serial killer and professional baby bunny killer. It’s true! Actually, the only reason you aren’t one too is ARASH! He has that effect, even on people he hasn’t met yet! He’s like Frank Stallone!
[/quote]
I had a rash once. It was powerful, but I didn’t video it and show it off.
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]postholedigger wrote:
No really, if it weren’t for Arash, I would be a 2ft tall, cock sucking serial killer and professional baby bunny killer. It’s true! Actually, the only reason you aren’t one too is ARASH! He has that effect, even on people he hasn’t met yet! He’s like Frank Stallone!
[/quote]
I had a rash once. It was powerful, but I didn’t video it and show it off.[/quote]
Cute, I remember when I had my first beer.
For the record, anyone who DOES want to know how Arash has helped change my life, just shoot me a PM and we’ll talk. Hell if you’re in the Bay Area, come visit my gym and we’ll chat in person.
[quote]seph89 wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]postholedigger wrote:
No really, if it weren’t for Arash, I would be a 2ft tall, cock sucking serial killer and professional baby bunny killer. It’s true! Actually, the only reason you aren’t one too is ARASH! He has that effect, even on people he hasn’t met yet! He’s like Frank Stallone!
[/quote]
I had a rash once. It was powerful, but I didn’t video it and show it off.[/quote]
Cute, I remember when I had my first beer.[/quote]
You should’ve recorded the experience and started a thread on how powerful it was, then only answered questions via PM.
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]seph89 wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]postholedigger wrote:
No really, if it weren’t for Arash, I would be a 2ft tall, cock sucking serial killer and professional baby bunny killer. It’s true! Actually, the only reason you aren’t one too is ARASH! He has that effect, even on people he hasn’t met yet! He’s like Frank Stallone!
[/quote]
I had a rash once. It was powerful, but I didn’t video it and show it off.[/quote]
Cute, I remember when I had my first beer.[/quote]
You should’ve recorded the experience and started a thread on how powerful it was, then only answered questions via PM. [/quote]
Noted.
[quote]seph89 wrote:
For the record, anyone who DOES want to know how Arash has helped change my life, just shoot me a PM and I’ll show you the Youtube vids I posted here. Hell if you’re in the Bay Area, come visit my gym and I’ll show the Youtube vids I posted here.[/quote]
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]seph89 wrote:
For the record, anyone who DOES want to know how Arash has helped change my life, just shoot me a PM and I’ll show you the Youtube vids I posted here. Hell if you’re in the Bay Area, come visit my gym and I’ll show the Youtube vids I posted here.[/quote]
[/quote]
Lol, having fun there little guy?
[quote]seph89 wrote:
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]seph89 wrote:
For the record, anyone who DOES want to know how Arash has helped change my life, just shoot me a PM and I’ll show you the Youtube vids I posted here. Hell if you’re in the Bay Area, come visit my gym and I’ll show the Youtube vids I posted here.[/quote]
[/quote]
Lol, having fun there little guy?[/quote]
Just pointing out the obvious, big man. Let’s pretend I did PM you regarding how Arash’s mentorship has helped you grow, what would your answer be?
LOL at all of the people who think that there is something wrong with men learning more about EFFECTIVE ways of attracting women. Or about being exposed to different ideas and ways of thinking. Or even hearing about OLD ideas with a different style or spin of communication or presentation.
“Just be yourself” is the WORST advice I have ever heard! As if the “self” is a static entity that never evolves… LOL
Our “prime directive” as human beings is to survive long enough to mate with the BEST possible partner so that the BEST possible set of genetics can be passed on to our offspring, thus giving them the BEST chance of survival and subsequent replication. Wash, rinse, repeat. Everything else on this sad little planet is just window dressing.
I’d even go as far as to say that as MEN, it is in our instincts and our biological make up to mate with AS MANY good genetic matches that we can! Obviously, that model doesn’t jive with “modern civilization” unless you have the means to support all of the resulting offspring. But that’s a PART of what we are as men, like it or not.
As for people knocking the fact that PUA gurus make MONEY (god forbid) by teaching a specific SKILL SET to someone who obviously lacks it (or else they wouldn’t BUY it), then those people must be communists or something, because that’s the DEFINITION of capitalism: find a market, develop a product, PROFIT!
What’s wrong with that? There is NO difference whatsoever between what Arash or any of the other PUA guys are selling and what MILLIONS of women buy at the magazine stand at the check out line of EVERY supermarket in the US. Cosmo’s headlines this month are: Be a man magnet: 13 moves to make you irresistible to him; Stretch your wardrobe, not your wallet; 8 secret guy insecurities; Your hottest legs ever; Make his friends worship you. Here’s the link if you don’t believe me: http://www.cosmopolitan.com/
So we have 13 “secret moves” that women will PAY for, some fashion advice, 8 ways to MANIPULATE a man with his insecurities, some regurgitated information on leg training and some advice to MANIPULATE a man’s FRIENDS to her advantage… But it’s the PUA guys that are the douchebags, right? Give me a fucking break. The next time you are in the grocery store and there is woman in front of you browsing a Cosmo, why don’t you call her a manipulative bitch and tell her to “just be herself” and she’ll find a man!
And that’s just Cosmo, I could give the same shit with Marie Clair, Glamour, Self, Woman’s Day, Shape, etc… ad infinitum… So WHAT’S THE DIFFERENCE? Why is OK for WOMEN to learn essentially the SAME kind of information that PUA’s teach men - and that’s OK, but when a MAN want’s to figure out “13 secrets to attract a women” or whatever, he’s then labeled as a douchebag, a wannabe, a PUA, “creepy”, disingenuous, manipulative, etc…
It’s ONLY information. Do some men abuse it and lie to women to get laid? Sure they do. Do some women use lipstick and a bra to hold up their tits so that they appear to be more attractive than they “really” are? Sure they do! Is every woman that wears lipstick a bad person? Of course not! There’s no logical reason for hating on someone for wanting become more socially intelligent with the opposite sex, for business, or for whatever reason THAT PERSON wants to!
As for, “he gives off a gay vibe”, SO WHAT? Maybe he’s bisexual? Maybe he IS a fag and got into being a PUA to cover it up and WAAAAY overcompensated… It’s pretty obvious that he’s got skills and gets RESULTS for the people that PAY him… Good for him! As long as he’s not trying to put his wiener near MY butt, I really don’t care if he wakes up dreaming about a nice set of hairy balls across his chin! It’s irrelevant to what he’s communicating.
As for the face tats and the hats and the shirts that are too tight, again, WHO GIVES A SHIT? This is 2012. Not everyone has to wear a nice polo shirt to look presentable! He’s obviously going for his interpretation of a “fuck the establishment” look. By the way, LOTS of chicks think that look is hot, otherwise he wouldn’t get laid, now WOULD HE? Just because YOU can’t pull off a certain look in YOUR social circle, doesn’t mean HE can’t pull off that same look in HIS social circle…
I actually liked some his points. Yes, most of it is NOT new (and he specifically THANKS the people who wrote the books about the stuff he is regurgitating, so he is not CLAIMING it is HIS ideas), but he presents the ideas in an energetic and well thought out way.
If he has found a way to be successful and can get people to pay him money to regurgitate the ideas of others, and have fun while he’s at it, who is ANYONE to hate on that? Just because you’re not happy at your JOB working for someone else? Then grow a set and start your own business, cuz that’s all this guy is doing. Although I don’t personally feel the need to purchase any of his products, I wish him the best of luck and applaud his growing success in this economy.
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]postholedigger wrote:
No really, if it weren’t for Arash, I would be a 2ft tall, cock sucking serial killer and professional baby bunny killer. It’s true! Actually, the only reason you aren’t one too is ARASH! He has that effect, even on people he hasn’t met yet! He’s like Frank Stallone!
[/quote]
I had a rash once. It was powerful, but I didn’t video it and show it off.[/quote]
You assholes! Arash died for your sins and this is how you repay him? Now how are you going to get your 72 virgins when you come back in the afterlife as a grasshopper?