Cool…I will look him up. Thanks
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Thanks ! About 15 pounds
Happy to hear it dude. 15lbs in 6 months is looking like about 2.5lbs a month lost. Are you only doing the ground beef each day, or have you included stuff in addition?
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My step brother Derek hasn’t had a carb since 2004.
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That is because they would die long before they have the chance to develop those issues. It is largely due to age, and genetics from breeding. Hip displacement is a domesticated dog problem.
This makes no sense based on what you have written and constantly push.
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It sounds like it suffered a bit 
This is odd. Fat is the macronutrient most readily stored as body fat. Meaning that a surplus of fat is almost guaranteed to be stored as fat, whereas carbs can be stored as glycogen first, and only once glycogen is saturated will they be stored as fat. This allows for a larger “surplus” without the corresponding fat gain (or perhaps just less fat gain than if an equivalent surplus was attained via dietary fat).
I’m glad it works for you, truly. It’s just not an ideal diet for hypertrophy purposes.
So i agree with you here, but this is very dependent on who the advice is being given to.
- The bodybuilder or elite athlete needs to suck it the fuck up regardless.
- The average joe who just wants to see his dick when he looks down again? He just needs to find a diet thats easy to comply with.
But i would ask YOU… why would you choose a keto/carnivore diet (that is known to be subpar for hypertrophy) unless it is easier to comply with?
(I hope this comes off as friendly discourse as I’ve always felt we are birds of a feather tbh)
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A over easy egg on top, some parmesean cheese or a little onion chili oil makes a world of a difference.
Read for comprehension, guy.
Here… carbs are non-essential in the macro sense. I didn’t say they can’t be useful for certain applications which is what I’m experimenting with.
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I believe it’s as close to our default human setting as is possible and once truly fat adapted a lot of people find it easy to stick with. I think the biggest fault is that people go too low on fat or don’t give it enough time to fully adapt. It takes some people up to a year given their current metabolic state.
I think it goes for hypertrophy, too. The Golden Era guys were mostly low carb with re-feeds on the weekends.
If you’re in a slight caloric surplus, maintain a positive nitrogen balance, train and recover properly = you’ll grow. Why I choose it over adding carbs is simply because I can gauge the gains more closely as lean tissue as opposed to water and or inflammatory responses. I use a TON of the proper kinds of salts / electrolytes so I’m well hydrated and don’t look flat. Though after a cheat day which is pretty mild, I do get some mild inflammation that makes me look a bit bigger.
I think athletes at your level and experience can benefit from strategic carbs. Although I think the “need” for them and the amounts prescribed are pretty silly.
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Operative word is "might’… a lot of variables to consider and people really oversimplify the hypertrophy process. I can likely add muscle a little easier with carbs but I also know through prior experience I also add fat and fluid retention, too… effectively masking the lean gains. Then it’s diet down to reveal the muscle as opposed to just adding cleaner gains albeit POSSIBLY a bit slower.
I eat well over 200 grams of fat a day at @ 180 pounds and maintain quite visible abs / obliques…then gain I grapple at high level and with legit intensity, so it helps.
What do you feel carbs provide regarding hypertrophy that protein / fats can’t ? Even highly glycolytic exercise doesn’t require that many carbs… especially bodybuilding style. We get into prolonged high effort stuff… wrestling, Bjj, Rugby, etc… it’s a bit different.
Of course it’s friendly, bro. You’re a good poster and I always read your posts. I’ve learned a lot in these forums over the years. It’s why i enjoy sharing my experiences.
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I’m relatively unfamiliar with their training and diet style as i wrote off stuff like GOMAD and high volume training.
Did they do harsh bulk and cut or was it always just a mild surplus until cutting?
I think this would affect the amount of carbs prescribed by a good bit.
Thats fair. Carbs factually arent needed. Most who are bulking should only be adding maybe 100g carbs daily over maintenance cals/macros anyways.
The only people who should be eating tremendous amounts of carbs are those pushing very heavy gear and HGH/Insulin. This is 0.0000001% of the population, and some 50% of the population are modeling themselves like this, which is just poor application.
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I think the Pumping Iron movie was a load of BS… It’s been said that it was overblown for dramatic effect and that they trained more high intensity and less volume as opposed to the twice day 3 hours at time… but who knows. Arnold is snake.
Genetic outliers… drugs… nothing but time… great results
I do know having listened to some of the lesser-known guys… Ric Drasin (drew the original Gold’s Gym logo) had a great Youtube channel before he passed talking about the old days… their typical “diet” was a lot of steaks, burgers, omelets, cottage cheese, tuna salad, etc… then the smorgasbord on the weekends that kicked them out for eating too much.
I tried GH after my deployment. Didn’t like it at all… I’d never touch insulin. Too risky.
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Great response. I don’t get the dogma around food. It’s like training: you do you.
Not all of us have the same genetic makeup as those dudes–I for example am not even from the same galaxy. I’m more of a naturally skinny endurance athlete.
Mauro di Pasquale’s Anabolic Dieting revolved around the idea of low carb with big weekend refeeds. After working with a bunch of people, he found some needed additional refeeds during the week…like maybe an additional day of carbs on Wednesday.
I was along for the ride until I figured I benefitted from the mid week carbs. It became kind of silly: Like, "I only eat low carb, except the half of the week I don’t "
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I’m currently experimenting with around 75 to 100 carbs on training days only to see the results. Pre is 30 to 50 grams Karbolyn, 5 grams salt, creatine and a Propel pack for flavor with 10 Beverly Mass Aminos and 10 Carnivor Beef Aminos. Post is 3 scoops of Aftershock with same aminos.
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Duchaine had the Body Opus diet which was like that… extreme depletion then a massive recomp. People swore by it. The Anabolic Diet was similar. It’s fun experimenting
Great point about genetics. Outliers likely have no idea what is optimal for the average person as they do well on nearly any protocol.
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The best way to explain my belief is to go from the top down so I’ll overexplain some stuff you probably already know.
The body has three forms of stored energy, with three distinct purposes.
Muscle = actuators of movement.
Can only be made from protein (and a corresponding bodily need for more muscle).
Glycogen = the bodies primary energy source that is most commonly intended for high intensity functions like sprints, lifting, etc.
Varbs are the ideal source to supply this as the body will prioritize carbs for energy before fats or protein. However, it can also be made from fat (ketosis) and protein (catabolism).
*i believe that neither ketosis nor catabolism will fill glycogen reserves as much as carbs, which means there is less readily available energy for intensely demanding physical output.
Fat = stored energy for when food is scarce, can be made easiest from fat.
Can be most easily made from dietary fat as no chemical conversion needs to happen.
Can also be made from carbs when eaten in excess (meaning that carbs are eaten in a higher quantity than is able to be stored but glycogen), which is then chemically converted into fat stores.
In theory, protein can also be stored as fat, but a few studies and historical examples of Rabbit Starvation suggest otherwise.
Protein: gets eaten, processed for aminos and muscle building needs, the is excreted. Almost never stored as fat, but can be used for glycogen reserves if neither carbs nor fats are available for this purpose.
Carbs: gets eaten, used to refill glycogen stores to maximum capacity, then gets converted to fat stores.
*Also has methods of anabolism which include raising insulin (increased nutrient absorption) and thyroid response.
Fats: gets eaten, used for digestion, hormonal balance, and lastly to refill glycogen stores (to the amount the individual’s body considers “necessary”) then the remainder is stored as bodily fat.
So what do i think carbs provide that neither fat nor protein do?
Provides optimal energy balance in the form of glycogen, increases nutrient absorption via raising insulin, and is less readily stored as body fat - considering the energy required to convert it into fat stores (example: 100cal carbs surplus eaten, glycogen stores full, only 80cals get stored as fat because it took 20cals to convert it into fat).
Long winded response, yeesh.
Thank you…
Protein; Leucine specifically, raises insulin (as you’re well aware)… even fat does to an extent.
I guess it boils down to this: I prefer “cleaner” gains as opposed to faster or less discernable ones. I have indeed added lean mass via proteins and fats. I’ll see what the addition of peri-workout carbs does regarding performance / hypertrophy.
I’ve yet to see anyone gain fat on the Carnivore or protein / fat approach. Has it happened? Likely but not in my first-hand experience.
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Absolutely!
In my carb cycling days, I loved all the bagels, Golden Grahams and pasta. Then I’d go home and eat myself into a coma–the naps I took on Saturday afternoon were like nothing else. Good times.
A couple of authors describe people as existing on a spectrum. On one end you have naturally skinny, good endurance, anxious, and struggle to gain weight. Carbs are essential for gaining muscle and athletic performance for this group.On the other end are the naturally big and strong, confident, so anabolic they grow from breathing–someone like Jon Andersen, or Golden Age bodybuilders, fit the bill. For this group, carbs are way less important if not completely unnecessary.
And most of us are somewhere in the middle.
Carbs also help keep cortisol in check, leading to less catabolism and better sleep.
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My go to is Cocoa Pebbles and Blueberry Chex… ate an entire box.
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