Why I don’t gamble. Would of bet money this thread was going nowhere, when I first saw it.
What is the “average” gym person, strength wise? I mean, I hear lots of people on this site and elitefts make comments like “I don’t mean strong for your public gym, I mean strong in the eyes of the strong” and joking about 24 hour fatness, but I don’t know what levels of performance your average, semi-dedicated person at the gym has either.
[quote]greystoke wrote:
Why I don’t gamble. Would of bet money this thread was going nowhere, when I first saw it.[/quote]
Spinning your wheels is still going nowhere…I think you would have won your bet.
This thread has some value …doesn’t it ?
[quote]paulwhite959 wrote:
joking about 24 hour fatness, . [/quote]
Typically at most regular gyms, you dont see people handling much more than 225lbs on compounds lifts. (Other than the unusual event someone is deadlifting)
Too many people are afraid of hurting thier backs/knees ect.
Lot of bench press experts.
One time i saw some man come in and squat 405x5, but…he probably trains at a srs gym most the time. LOL
LMAO so true dude!!! That and the guys who “used to be the hulk before this one injury”
[quote]DaveForner wrote:
No one should use bad or average genetics as an excuse. If you work extremely hard (and do it smart) you’ll end up far above average on the lifting scale. Even those with shit genetics will be better than the average gym goer if they work hard. They just won’t ever be a world champion. World champions are those who worked hard AND have great genetics. But that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t work hard and be the best you can be.[/quote]
AMEN. I love seeing people with better frames for lifting not lifting as much as me.
[quote]lbraga wrote:
LMAO so true dude!!! That and the guys who “used to be the hulk before this one injury”[/quote]
I am terrified of becoming one of those guys, because I hate those guys.
“I coulda been a contenda!” LOL
I watched a short documentary on Marcus Dupree. (If you dont know who he is, look him up)
As a football player (mainly running back) this guy appeared to have the most awesome natural athleticism and physical superiority people had ever seen. 9.5 100 yard dash in highschool, 400x10 bench, and other rediculous crap, very monsterous dude.
A good alpha that knows how to work, their face, its more manly, its got lines, you can just tell by looking that they are a hard person.
… This guy, on the other hand… was a goofy, teary eyed, baby face type person. He got all butt hurt when coaches gave him a rough time and russled him a bit. He didnt work hard in practice or training, but really…who of that type would? He was like some genetic freak, gentile space alien. Its not like he wasnt already gozilla stomping everything in his path. Why work when you dont need to?
He played in the NFL for part of one season . He DID not reach his potential. Im guessing part of this is he never developed work ethic skills. Never got hard.
9.5 100 yard… so almost 100m. He essentially broke the world record 100m when he was in Highschool? The current, WR, mind you.
[quote]DaveForner wrote:
9.5 100 yard… so almost 100m. He essentially broke the world record 100m when he was in Highschool? The current, WR, mind you.[/quote]
DaveForner. I am just quoting what the guy in the film said. If you have Netflix you can watch the same thing i watched.
I didnt watch the entire thing, i didnt really give a crap about some of the stuff like him talking about his neighborhood, sounding retarded and other useless crap.
I quite believe it was said, didn’t mean to call YOU out on it.
“He DID not reach his potential. Im guessing part of this is he never developed work ethic skills. Never got hard.”
Also, I agree with this a lot. Failing at anything tends to make you so much better at it the next time. Having to work hard at something even more so.
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
[quote]DaveForner wrote:
No one should use bad or average genetics as an excuse. If you work extremely hard (and do it smart) you’ll end up far above average on the lifting scale. Even those with shit genetics will be better than the average gym goer if they work hard. They just won’t ever be a world champion. World champions are those who worked hard AND have great genetics. But that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t work hard and be the best you can be.[/quote]
AMEN. I love seeing people with better frames for lifting not lifting as much as me. [/quote]
What’s a good frame for lifting? Big joints?
[quote]DaveForner wrote:
9.5 100 yard… so almost 100m. He essentially broke the world record 100m when he was in Highschool? The current, WR, mind you.[/quote]
100m is almost 110 yards. It would probably take at least 0.9 seconds to travel the final 10 yards to make it a full 100m, so he was probably closer to 10.4 in the 100m. This was probably also hand timed, thus you could add at least a couple tenths to make it more equivalent to fully automated track timing. So maybe 10.6, which, while fast as hell, is not close to the world records of the era which hovered around 9.8-9.9 and is perfectly believable for an amazing, natural, stand out hs athlete, imo.
[quote]Consul wrote:
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
[quote]DaveForner wrote:
No one should use bad or average genetics as an excuse. If you work extremely hard (and do it smart) you’ll end up far above average on the lifting scale. Even those with shit genetics will be better than the average gym goer if they work hard. They just won’t ever be a world champion. World champions are those who worked hard AND have great genetics. But that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t work hard and be the best you can be.[/quote]
AMEN. I love seeing people with better frames for lifting not lifting as much as me. [/quote]
What’s a good frame for lifting? Big joints?
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Basically more robust over all. That’s part of it. Muscle insertions are another.
It’s not the size of the dog it’s the bite. Genetics only get you so far.
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
[quote]Consul wrote:
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
[quote]DaveForner wrote:
No one should use bad or average genetics as an excuse. If you work extremely hard (and do it smart) you’ll end up far above average on the lifting scale. Even those with shit genetics will be better than the average gym goer if they work hard. They just won’t ever be a world champion. World champions are those who worked hard AND have great genetics. But that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t work hard and be the best you can be.[/quote]
AMEN. I love seeing people with better frames for lifting not lifting as much as me. [/quote]
What’s a good frame for lifting? Big joints?
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Basically more robust over all. That’s part of it. Muscle insertions are another.[/quote]
What are the optimal muscle insertions for lifting?
[quote]Consul wrote:
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
[quote]Consul wrote:
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
[quote]DaveForner wrote:
No one should use bad or average genetics as an excuse. If you work extremely hard (and do it smart) you’ll end up far above average on the lifting scale. Even those with shit genetics will be better than the average gym goer if they work hard. They just won’t ever be a world champion. World champions are those who worked hard AND have great genetics. But that doesn’t mean you shouldn’t work hard and be the best you can be.[/quote]
AMEN. I love seeing people with better frames for lifting not lifting as much as me. [/quote]
What’s a good frame for lifting? Big joints?
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Basically more robust over all. That’s part of it. Muscle insertions are another.[/quote]
What are the optimal muscle insertions for lifting?
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You know exactly what he means.
[quote]Field wrote:
I watched a short documentary on Marcus Dupree. (If you dont know who he is, look him up)
As a football player (mainly running back) this guy appeared to have the most awesome natural athleticism and physical superiority people had ever seen. 9.5 100 yard dash in highschool, 400x10 bench, and other rediculous crap, very monsterous dude.
A good alpha that knows how to work, their face, its more manly, its got lines, you can just tell by looking that they are a hard person.
… This guy, on the other hand… was a goofy, teary eyed, baby face type person. He got all butt hurt when coaches gave him a rough time and russled him a bit. He didnt work hard in practice or training, but really…who of that type would? He was like some genetic freak, gentile space alien. Its not like he wasnt already gozilla stomping everything in his path. Why work when you dont need to?
He played in the NFL for part of one season . He DID not reach his potential. Im guessing part of this is he never developed work ethic skills. Never got hard.
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I’m going to have to disagree with you. Yea, the guy was sensitive. He wasn’t into the whole yelling and cussing and getting fired up stuff. Not everyone is. He still practiced a lot, he just didn’t go as “all out” as most players do. The coach they interviewed said he had an ability to turn it all on for game time that most do not. Most people have to bust their ass and kill themselves in practice every day, he didn’t. He could learn the plays, go through motions, watch and learn, and then turn his effort on full throttle come game day.
This doesn’t mean he was just born a great football player. He obviously had great talent, but talent doesn’t mean shit unless you do something with it. Remember when he got really fat and then made a comeback? He said he would turn the heater on in his garage until 110 degrees and lift weight for 3 straight hours every day. The guy worked hard.
I agree that he didn’t reach his full potential. That guy could have been the greatest of all time. Watching his high school tapes is so rediculous it looks fake.
[quote]Field wrote:
I watched a short documentary on Marcus Dupree. (If you dont know who he is, look him up)
As a football player (mainly running back) this guy appeared to have the most awesome natural athleticism and physical superiority people had ever seen. 9.5 100 yard dash in highschool, 400x10 bench, and other rediculous crap, very monsterous dude.
A good alpha that knows how to work, their face, its more manly, its got lines, you can just tell by looking that they are a hard person.
… This guy, on the other hand… was a goofy, teary eyed, baby face type person. He got all butt hurt when coaches gave him a rough time and russled him a bit. He didnt work hard in practice or training, but really…who of that type would? He was like some genetic freak, gentile space alien. Its not like he wasnt already gozilla stomping everything in his path. Why work when you dont need to?
He played in the NFL for part of one season . He DID not reach his potential. Im guessing part of this is he never developed work ethic skills. Never got hard.
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It’s part of espn’s 30 for 30 series. It was a great documentary but had a whole bunch of just made up shit. Aside from claiming a WORLD RECORD 100 meter time, the claimed he was benching 400 for 10 despite them having no proof of either. The guy was a great athlete for sure, but they were just making shit up to inflate his legend.
Edit: He also had a couple of knee injuries his soph year. He still wasn’t running our benching anything close to the alleged numbers.