Potential for Average Powerlifter

Training Powerlifting
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[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:

[quote]Field wrote:
I watched a short documentary on Marcus Dupree. (If you dont know who he is, look him up)

As a football player (mainly running back) this guy appeared to have the most awesome natural athleticism and physical superiority people had ever seen. 9.5 100 yard dash in highschool, 400x10 bench, and other rediculous crap, very monsterous dude.

A good alpha that knows how to work, their face, its more manly, its got lines, you can just tell by looking that they are a hard person.

… This guy, on the other hand… was a goofy, teary eyed, baby face type person. He got all butt hurt when coaches gave him a rough time and russled him a bit. He didnt work hard in practice or training, but really…who of that type would? He was like some genetic freak, gentile space alien. Its not like he wasnt already gozilla stomping everything in his path. Why work when you dont need to?

He played in the NFL for part of one season . He DID not reach his potential. Im guessing part of this is he never developed work ethic skills. Never got hard.

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It’s part of espn’s 30 for 30 series. It was a great documentary but had a whole bunch of just made up shit. Aside from claiming a WORLD RECORD 100 meter time, the claimed he was benching 400 for 10 despite them having no proof of either. The guy was a great athlete for sure, but they were just making shit up to inflate his legend.

Edit: He also had a couple of knee injuries his soph year. He still wasn’t running our benching anything close to the alleged numbers.[/quote]

I think it’s pretty much assumed that football players always inflate their numbers, they’ve done it forever. I think it was Dan John that said there was a college football player he met that claimed he could power clean 585.

Dupree was still crazy good.

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[quote]RonSwanson wrote:
Assuming that training and nutrition were optimal, what kind of raw and natural lifetime bests could be expected from an average male? Better yet, what numbers could be achievable for almost any male given that they trained and ate optimally? I know this is hard to pin down, but its an interesting question to ponder for those who might not have the best genetics.[/quote]

On The Official Raw Total Thread on this website averages are approx:

Ht- 5’10"
Wt- 200
SQ- 437
BN- 300
DL- 490
TOTAL- 1227

Now I know this is not the potential of everyone that has posted, but I think it gives a good average of what the people on this website say they lift. A 1200 total should be in reach for the average guy.

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[quote]yolo84 wrote:

[quote]csulli wrote:
First of all, if you want to use a single number, use 1600. I gave a range of between 1500 and 1700, and you constantly chose the very top.

Second of all, I would say Big Ben has amazing genetics, because he got over 1700 IN HIS EARLY 20’s!!! He is in a rare and elite and exclusive club because of how hard he works at it, but I would say genetics come into play getting there that quickly. I stand by my statement that the “average bro” can get pretty close to 1700 total, but he will probably be in his mid fucking 30’s. By the time Ben Rice is in his mid 30’s what do you think his total will be? Fucking a lot better.[/quote]

I am using 1700 cos that’s what you said. If you want to use 1600 that’s what you should have started with.

I am in my mid to late 20s. College gym, famous PL gym for around 2 years, famous BB gym for around 2 years, probably trained in 20 different commercial gyms ranging from day pass to over a year. My profile says 21, I just opened the tab and clicked the first date.

If Ben Rice stays at 198, his total is not going to be hundreds of pounds different 10 years from now assuming he stays drug free. And he is the absolute genetic elite. How can you not see that? Just look at all the WR’s of the last 60 years. He can DL around 720 I think, you think he is ever gonna DL 850 natural at 198? Seriously?

As for STB - I find the guys log genuinely inspirational and extremely helpful. However, he also has amazing genetics. This is shown in the simple fact he had a 800 DL in his mid 20s. No doubt he works amazingly hard etc, I am not belittling the guy in ANY way. But facts are facts.

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800 Dl in my mid twenties, couldn’t even pick up 225 in my late teens. If I didn’t lift weights, I’d be 160lbs… like I was when I started lifting weights. Describing me as having “amazing genetics” is wildly inaccurate. If my training, diet, sleep, stress, life, etc. is not perfect going into a meet, then I do terrible at said meet.

The only reason I am as strong is I have been consistant and working hard my whole life (worked on a farm before & after elementary and middle school, stopped when I started playing football in high school/started lifting heavy stuff).

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[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:
800 Dl in my mid twenties, couldn’t even pick up 225 in my late teens. If I didn’t lift weights, I’d be 160lbs… like I was when I started lifting weights. Describing me as having “amazing genetics” is wildly inaccurate. If my training, diet, sleep, stress, life, etc. is not perfect going into a meet, then I do terrible at said meet.

The only reason I am as strong is I have been consistant and working hard my whole life (worked on a farm before & after elementary and middle school, stopped when I started playing football in high school/started lifting heavy stuff).[/quote]

I’ve got a few years to get that 800 DL then haha. But seriously, that’s awesome progress.

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Genetics not only determines starting point, but progression as well. That’s to say that genetics partly determine someones response to the stimulus of weightlifting and training.