Poliquin Bio-signature

[quote]tork94 wrote:
not quite as good as i was hoping, but my body-fat percentage is back down to where it was before i got sick for almost 3 weeks. so now any improvements will get me to a new level of leanness.

10.5 weeks left to go, will have to drop 3.8% body fat with out loosing more then 3lbs to get to my goal. gona be hard, but as long as i can stay healthy and eat super clean etc… then i think i can give it a damn good run.

Pec was down to 4mm today. which is the lowest ever, and over the last 4 months its gone from my second worst site to one of my best! feels+looks great considering it was as high as 15mm in the past! [/quote]

That pec reading is insane, great stuff.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:

[quote]tork94 wrote:
not quite as good as i was hoping, but my body-fat percentage is back down to where it was before i got sick for almost 3 weeks. so now any improvements will get me to a new level of leanness.

10.5 weeks left to go, will have to drop 3.8% body fat with out loosing more then 3lbs to get to my goal. gona be hard, but as long as i can stay healthy and eat super clean etc… then i think i can give it a damn good run.

Pec was down to 4mm today. which is the lowest ever, and over the last 4 months its gone from my second worst site to one of my best! feels+looks great considering it was as high as 15mm in the past! [/quote]

That pec reading is insane, great stuff.[/quote]

thanks man.

right now only supra (14.6), quad (14.3) and ham (16.2) are still in double digits.

which is frustrating, but not to bad considering how on my first ever bio-sig, my highest 3 were supra (40.2), ham (29.1) and umbelical (24.4).

interestingly triceps, quads and calves have been the biggest bitches, none of them have droped by more then 4mm from the start.

currently im only 1.5% body-fat from being down 10%age points from the beginning and thats with only 7lbs of total weight-loss

So what are your steps/ goals from here on?

[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
So what are your steps/ goals from here on?[/quote]

my immediate goal is to get to 10% at 200lbs by July 1st. that would put me under 10% for the first time since high school when i weighed 160lbs.

i wrote myself a 12 week program (based on the Poliquin principles) which starts with a 3 week Accumulation phase, then moves in to a 3 week Intensification phase before going back to another 3 week Accumulation and finally finishing with another 3 week Intensification phase. also the last week of each phase has a volume-de-load where intensity is kept high but sets drop by about 40% to avoid burnout and reduce inflammation. Im hoping that as i get down to 10% all my sites will drop in to the single digits.

after the first 3 weeks i gained about 3 lbs of lean-mass and dropped 1 lb of fat-mass. so im a bit behind pace, so ill probably have to add in some prowler/hill sprint work in the last few weeks of the program. ill also have 2 week from the end of the 12 weeks before the deadline so i can maybe do the 6/12/25 program for 14 days to get that last few lbs of fat-mass off.

Oh man, that sounds interesting! Could I please look at your program?
How are you going to roll with your diet through these changes and phases?
I have been alternating intensity and volume while at the same time changes dietary needs for the day. If I am too low my recovery is harder if the intensity of the session is picked up: like yesterday.

I too have added in some tire drag, carries and sprint work. Sprint work and hamstrings+hip flexors is interesting as far as timing it right. Carries though have been reducing soreness and stretching the muscles. I have been getting pretty lean from the carries though.
Trying to dial in diet more because I am at the highest BF% yet, I was down to 6 and definitely not there now :wink:

[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
Oh man, that sounds interesting! Could I please look at your program?
How are you going to roll with your diet through these changes and phases?
I have been alternating intensity and volume while at the same time changes dietary needs for the day. If I am too low my recovery is harder if the intensity of the session is picked up: like yesterday.

I too have added in some tire drag, carries and sprint work. Sprint work and hamstrings+hip flexors is interesting as far as timing it right. Carries though have been reducing soreness and stretching the muscles. I have been getting pretty lean from the carries though.
Trying to dial in diet more because I am at the highest BF% yet, I was down to 6 and definitely not there now :wink:
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i dont think PMs work any more, but if you have a facebook or just want to post your email address then i would sure send you my program.

As far as diet goes, ill be keeping it mostly the same as i have for a while. recently i tried adding in some Greek yoghurt and although tasty and high in protein i think i caused some inflammation since i noticed my supra-iliac got worse surprisingly fast when i added it and went back down pretty quickly when i cut it out.

I also plan to gain a 1-2lbs on my 3 week Accumulation phases and lose 1-2lbs during my 3 week Intensification phases. Ill also keep my diet paleo with a clean (no gluten, high nutrients) carb-up MEAL on Friday nights after my second lower-body workout of the week.

[quote]tork94 wrote:
Hey everyone, im an Olympic Weightlifter trying to take my nutrition to the next level. I currently follow a low carb, high fat, high protein diet through out the entire day except for right before and right after trainings.

I train 6-9 times per-week and an getting stronger. However i find that i still have some extra fat on my pecs, and belly button area and am just in general not as lean as I would like. Also all other things being equal a 210lbs guy with 10% bodyfat is going to be stronger then the same 210lbs guy at 15% simply from having more muscle on their frame.

I have looked in to getting a Bio-signature done which really isnt THAT expensive, but the price of some of the supplements kinda bothers me if i cant be 99% confident that ill get the results that im looking for.

In short, has anyone here had their bio-signatures done and followed the recommendations? And if so, what kind of results did you see?

Thanks a lot.[/quote]

Hey mate, here is my experience…

Before i went to talk to poliquin ppl i was about 15 % bf, and they did get me to 8% bf, which im extemely grateful to them. However, my nutrition prior to going there was very poor, and such a big change in training/diet as they prescribed to me had to eventually lead to leaner me.

Although poliquin is such a famous person in athletic world, i see some faults in the way poliqyin ppl taught me. First, they will tell u not to count calories. Thats a big mestake. They go by trial and error method, using their nutritiin experience of course. However, since i stopped going to poliquin ppl and started anabolic diet, i get the same results much better and faster. Why? Because i started calorie counting and i simply know that if this week i havent lost 1 kg of fat, next week i’ll drop calories by 500 and thatn i k ow i’ll reach that goal.

Second big negative side of biosignature- you need to be rich to follow their advices. They’ll tell u to take like 100 suppleme ts and all of them are extremely expensive.

Third, the diet they recommend is very expensive. Anabolic diet is much cheaper coz u eat fatty meat (like whole chicken, pork, beef chucks) which is much cheapper.

I tried the meat and nuts breakfast, and I must admit I felt pretty good the whole day. Alert and focused, pretty amazing.

Pod: different ways to skin a cat… I don’t think you have really been following this thread. Not all “poliquin people” are a like and it sounds like you went to someone who follows him a little too closely.

Yes, nutrition is the 1st and foremost impact regarding body comp changes.

Calories are not where its at. Im sorry but this has been refuted more times than it has been “proven.” Why does it work for people? Why does it work for you? Because of habit. You have created a habit of following something. Most people who “try” a “diet” do so with hardly any specifics or dedication. They have a low willingness to change. Paleo could mean anything, so when they don’t lose weight on it they think the diet doesn’t work.

We, as Practitioners, have to deal with peoples life style(s) if we want them to be successful and make long term changes. If I get a woman in my office with a prior history of eating disorder or body imaging issues and I tell her to become OCD and count something in every meal shes gona fucking lose it, fail and then recycle back into depression.

Most people don’t even eat clean to begin with - so to start we have them focus on Quality over Quantity. I don’t care how much shit food you eat, it still may affect you. Clean foods are a different story.

Plus if you have seen recent research, a majority of companies it has been found out have been mislabeling or not even doing the science on their products caloric accuracy. Meaning, Kraft in particular does in house calorie counting for their products and when the researcher asked about how they create their calorie count for nutritional labels the representative said “We don?t have any information on how the calories and nutrients are established for our food products.”… Kellogs said “we have an in-house food testing lab. If any changes occur to existing food products, we?ll retest.” So we are leaving it up to the companies that make the product to tell us how much of it is really in it??? These nonruled, FDA exempt companies? Strange. It works because you are following a path. Every path leads somewhere.

Aw the supplement argument…what fucking website you on mate? What is the cost and what is sold on this site? Same amount and targets different problems. With poliquin stuff as with Biotest there is a product quality you are paying for. You can get the stuff else were and for cheaper, doesn’t have to be poliquin. I am more interested in helping people rather than my commission for poliquin sales so I don’t mind telling someone to go use source naturals or buy from the company poliquin buys from.

I don’t calorie count and I’m losing fat. I think it’s nonsense now that I finally understand my body (never did this bio-sig thing). Just eat a healthy, balanced diet with primarily whole foods, know that if you want to lose fat you’ll need to be a little hungry, and BAM fat loss. I wish I didn’t waste 10 years of my life trying to figure out the perfect macros, the perfect blah blah blah. Did nothing for me and not to mention, it’s hardly sustainable if you want to have any kind of life outside of fitness.

[quote]hipsr4runnin wrote:
Pod: different ways to skin a cat… I don’t think you have really been following this thread. Not all “poliquin people” are a like and it sounds like you went to someone who follows him a little too closely.

Yes, nutrition is the 1st and foremost impact regarding body comp changes.

Calories are not where its at. Im sorry but this has been refuted more times than it has been “proven.” Why does it work for people? Why does it work for you? Because of habit. You have created a habit of following something. Most people who “try” a “diet” do so with hardly any specifics or dedication. They have a low willingness to change. Paleo could mean anything, so when they don’t lose weight on it they think the diet doesn’t work.

We, as Practitioners, have to deal with peoples life style(s) if we want them to be successful and make long term changes. If I get a woman in my office with a prior history of eating disorder or body imaging issues and I tell her to become OCD and count something in every meal shes gona fucking lose it, fail and then recycle back into depression.

Most people don’t even eat clean to begin with - so to start we have them focus on Quality over Quantity. I don’t care how much shit food you eat, it still may affect you. Clean foods are a different story.

Plus if you have seen recent research, a majority of companies it has been found out have been mislabeling or not even doing the science on their products caloric accuracy. Meaning, Kraft in particular does in house calorie counting for their products and when the researcher asked about how they create their calorie count for nutritional labels the representative said “We don?t have any information on how the calories and nutrients are established for our food products.”… Kellogs said “we have an in-house food testing lab. If any changes occur to existing food products, we?ll retest.” So we are leaving it up to the companies that make the product to tell us how much of it is really in it??? These nonruled, FDA exempt companies? Strange. It works because you are following a path. Every path leads somewhere.

Aw the supplement argument…what fucking website you on mate? What is the cost and what is sold on this site? Same amount and targets different problems. With poliquin stuff as with Biotest there is a product quality you are paying for. You can get the stuff else were and for cheaper, doesn’t have to be poliquin. I am more interested in helping people rather than my commission for poliquin sales so I don’t mind telling someone to go use source naturals or buy from the company poliquin buys from. [/quote]

I have to sAy that i agree with you with most of the things. An average guy/girl, with a typical american diet will see a great progress just from switching from to a healthy diet like Poliquin’s. However, for ppl who have been lifting for a while and who want to get to single digit bf, i think counting calories will yield much quicker results, for a simple reason of having more control over your diet, food intake and hence the overall fat loss.

You are right about often incorrect nutritiinal data. However, that is not so important. For example, if i eat kraft pb every day, all i need a number at the end of the day, saying that i ate less kraft today than yesterday.

Hips,

I am looking to basically declare war on insulin resistance, and my strategy is as follows. From a nutritional POV, I intend on adding things like cinnamon to my black coffee, balsamic vinegar to all green veggies, adding walnuts to my breakfast along with my lean protein, incorporating avocados into my foods, taking fish oil.

Anything else you can recommend ?

I just graduated and have a new job as a strength coach with the Canadian Sports Center here in Calgary Alberta!

I actually feel like this will positively effect my sleep schedule (ie going to bed earlier and being an earlier riser. Will be interesting to see if an improved quality of sleep noticeably effects any of my sites. calf is currently one of my worst so fingers crossed haha.

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
Hips,

I am looking to basically declare war on insulin resistance, and my strategy is as follows. From a nutritional POV, I intend on adding things like cinnamon to my black coffee, balsamic vinegar to all green veggies, adding walnuts to my breakfast along with my lean protein, incorporating avocados into my foods, taking fish oil.

Anything else you can recommend ?[/quote]
What’s your training look like? Explosive lifting and fast conditioning/HIIT sessions will rapidly help insulin sensitivity. The more the better… meaning a frequency of at least 4 days a week, preferably 5.

[quote]tork94 wrote:
I just graduated and have a new job as a strength coach with the Canadian Sports Center here in Calgary Alberta!

I actually feel like this will positively effect my sleep schedule (ie going to bed earlier and being an earlier riser. Will be interesting to see if an improved quality of sleep noticeably effects any of my sites. calf is currently one of my worst so fingers crossed haha.

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I go to sleep really late as well and wake up around noon, but that’s because I have nothing to do while I wait for my job to start. I do notice that my calves have some fat on them, but at the same time I have genetically good calves muscular-wise so it kind of balances out, hehe :stuck_out_tongue:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I tried the meat and nuts breakfast, and I must admit I felt pretty good the whole day. Alert and focused, pretty amazing. [/quote]
Love the meat and nuts or fruit breakfast. I feel like I get leaner a lot faster (I know I know, daily macros/calories are still king), I feel more energetic and my mind seems to click better. Improved mood as well.

I usually have 12 oz of 85% grass-fed beef and 150g of berries, or 12 oz of a leaner meat and a handful of nuts.

[quote]PB Andy wrote:

[quote]tork94 wrote:
I just graduated and have a new job as a strength coach with the Canadian Sports Center here in Calgary Alberta!

I actually feel like this will positively effect my sleep schedule (ie going to bed earlier and being an earlier riser. Will be interesting to see if an improved quality of sleep noticeably effects any of my sites. calf is currently one of my worst so fingers crossed haha.

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I go to sleep really late as well and wake up around noon, but that’s because I have nothing to do while I wait for my job to start. I do notice that my calves have some fat on them, but at the same time I have genetically good calves muscular-wise so it kind of balances out, hehe :P[/quote]

im the opposite haha, my calves have been tiny my whole life. it also doesn’t help that I train in a facility meant for elite athletes and therefor doesn’t have any actual calf training equipment.

[quote]tork94 wrote:

[quote]mt2013 wrote:

[quote]tork94 wrote:

[quote]mt2013 wrote:
If you’re wanting to get your hamstring even lower quick, put a water filter on your shower head, use a Brita pitcher, and use fluoride free toothpaste. Other than that, it looks like you’ve got every thing covered. Great progress![/quote]

Thanks for the advice, I already have a great water-fliter and use fluoride free toothpaste, but i hadnt thought of the shower head. Ill definatly look in to that.[/quote]

i’m a BioSig practitioner and it’s something that has worked well for myself & my clients. I got mine at Home Depot for around $20.[/quote]

Picked this up today, do you think its something I might notice right away? or will it take a few weeks?
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That should work fine. It’s pretty close to what I have. With some clients, I’ve seen results in a week.

[quote]tork94 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
A shower filter will lower the hamstring pinch ?

Does this have something to do with chemicals in tap water ?

Also, fluoride in toothpaste adds to the hamstring pinch as well ?[/quote]

I believe that the fluoride and chlorine etc… in water is just another thing that needs to be cleared by the body, so it makes sense to me that reducing the chemicals that enter the body from a shower/drinking water would allow the body/liver to focus on more serious things.
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Exactly. Your skin is your biggest organ. If you’re doing everything to get chemicals/toxins out of your body, why shower in them?

[quote]mt2013 wrote:

[quote]tork94 wrote:

[quote]mt2013 wrote:

[quote]tork94 wrote:

[quote]mt2013 wrote:
If you’re wanting to get your hamstring even lower quick, put a water filter on your shower head, use a Brita pitcher, and use fluoride free toothpaste. Other than that, it looks like you’ve got every thing covered. Great progress![/quote]

Thanks for the advice, I already have a great water-fliter and use fluoride free toothpaste, but i hadnt thought of the shower head. Ill definatly look in to that.[/quote]

i’m a BioSig practitioner and it’s something that has worked well for myself & my clients. I got mine at Home Depot for around $20.[/quote]

Picked this up today, do you think its something I might notice right away? or will it take a few weeks?
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That should work fine. It’s pretty close to what I have. With some clients, I’ve seen results in a week.[/quote]

I have another 1.5 weeks until my next skin-folds, will be interesting to see if any of the skin-folds decrease more then would be expected from training and diet alone.