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Vegita · November 4, 2010, 12:23pm

[quote]TheBodyGuard wrote:

[quote]Vegita wrote:
Who would you rather listen to when it comes to playing football? Brock lesnar? or Bill Bellichik? One looks like a football player, the other is a football genious who looks like an average 50 year old couch potatoe.

Anyone remember old pics of Dave Barr or even CT?

I’m sure they have gotten smarter since then, but we all have.

See some of you guys have never slept with a really hot chick (and found out she’s terrible in bed), so you still think looks are everything. Trust someone with a little world experience. There are a hell of a lot of people that know what they are talking about and can pass that on that don’t have the drive, ability, time, patence or genetics to achieve the results themselves.

Another point, You could have a 6’ 240 Lb guy on here looking ripped telling you to go HIT, short intense workouts, Intermitten fastiong eating style. Going heavy etc… And the next guy could be 6’ 240 Lbs looking ripped as well telling you to workout twice per day 5 days a week, eating 7 meals minimum per day consisting of mainly chicken, rice and tuna and some veggies. Then you could have another guy who is 6’ 240 Lbs also ripped and he could advise you to do total body workouts 2X per week. Focusing mainly on big compound movements and pick an accessory excercise or two to focus on each month. Eat 3 normal meals per day but really focus on peri-workout nutrition, get plenty of sleep, and focus on your supplementation for health and longevity.

The thing is all three could be right and there could be 10 more guys who all achived results going down a different path. There is a certain ceiling for an average guy to get large and in shape. I’m just throwing out the 6’ 240 Lb thing because I think thats a fair number for a normal genetic limitation that can be reached through consistent training and a small focus on eating enough to grow. If your 5’6" maybe the number is 210 Lbs.

The only advice that you can follow to get to this “genetic ceiling” is to stay consistent. Time is the only thing that will get you there and quitting early is the only thing that can keep you from it. (injury aside). Now if you are sitting AT your genetic ceiling, then you need to start asking for adive on how to break through that and progress to any number of specialties, Bodybuilding, Powerlifting, Strongman, Jersey shore juice monkey etc… Now you need to focus your plan, hone your focus etc…

And no you can’t have my picture you little pervert. I don’t want some little freak jacking off to a shirtless picture of myself. Under the rules of men, that would make me 1/10th gay, or something like that. (you better watch out gregron, he’s gonna be spanking to your new AVI)

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Holy fucking shit batman, that was actually a lucid, cogent, thoughtful, on point reply. What did you do with Vegita and who are you?[/quote]

Haha I have my moments.

No back to your regularly scheduled programming.

V

Vegita · November 4, 2010, 12:37pm

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Vegita wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Let’s see if we can get the views of this thread over 1,000.

This is Herschel at his last fight. It does not take regular weight training for all people to look like this. The man has great genetics…and would be bigger than 99% of the people here no matter what.

The man does EXERCISE regularly and has stated he does bodyweight movements more than anything…so to claim he looks UNTRAINED is bullshit and not anything like what I stated before.

If you didn’t know there are guys who can look like this without living in a gym, welcome to reality.[/quote]

You’re actually helping my case. Who should OP take lifting advice from out of the two men? Hershel or CT? If he went by pictures only, who would he go with? My point is a chubby looking powerlifter has spent years and years STUDYING Lifting, Diet, Muscles, How they work, Why they work, What happens when you stimulate them via one method and then another method, etc… The other guy is just a genetic freak, who does friggin pushups and situps and looks better than Frank Zane.

So What someone looks like, does not mean thier advice is good. Case Closed.

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Wait, so someone needs to actually tell you that there are genetic freaks in the world. We need to write out that just because Mr. Walker can look like that without regular weight lifting, that you may not. You need to be told to speak to someone if you are interested in their training. You have to be instructed to take what you can use and leave what you can’t.

That’s cool…everyone isn’t as quick as me so I can see where the confusion comes from with you lesser humans.

Guess what, skippy. Your chances of getting useful info are much greater walking up to people with big muscles than they are going up to every skinny guy in the gym.

Once again, if you want to waste time that way, go right ahead.

We will see who has more muscle in the long run.[/quote]

Was this directed at me or at OP? Because I clearly have been supprting the idea that Looking at the biggest guy in the gym and just copying what he is doing is most likley NOT going to work for YOU. However, doing research into the various methods, finding credible sources of information, applying what you learn to yourself and expiramenting with different things and seeing how YOU respond to them is probably a very smart way to go.

Let me give you an example. If I put Cressey and Robertson in an average Gym on a monday night, there would be 20 Guys who look more the part than those two. But those two guys have more real world and scientific knowledge then 99% of the people in the Iron game.

The OP’s origional premise was he thought, Only big people know what they are talking about, That is a stupid premise.

You seem to be misunderstanding my position to be, ALL big guys DON’T know how to get big, which is ovbiously stupid. They do know how to get themselves big. But that doesn’t mean they will be any good at getting someone else big.

So really someone else said it best. If you want to come on here and post a pic to get weakpoint feedback, Go ahead. If you want to come on here and get advice on Diet, Go right ahead. But if you want advice on training, why don’t you just read one of the 10,000 articles written by people who get paid to write workout programs and who do this every day for a living.

The equivalent of the OP’s Premise is this. I go to a driving range and there are hundreds of PGA golfers and Teaching Pros. I can watch and even interact with the Golfers and the teachers, sitting in on thier lessons, taking them back to the range and trying them myself. It’s an amazing resource for a budding golfer.

Then one day I discover over on the other side of the property, there is a mini golf course. Lots of people are there and it looks like everyone is having a good time, you got knuckleheads horsing around. Guys flirting with girls over on the picnic table, and you got some people playing the mini course.

A few of these guys are really good at this mini golf and play people for small bets or bragging rights. Now I figure I’ll go over and check this out and after watching from afar for a little while, I come in proudly and proclaim, Don’t you think All of you over here playing mini golf should have to show me, how good you are at real golf in order for me to take you seriously?

I mean it’s not 100% but it’s pretty damn close to THAT rediculous.

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Professor_X · November 4, 2010, 2:26pm

[quote]Vegita wrote:

Was this directed at me or at OP? Because I clearly have been supprting the idea that Looking at the biggest guy in the gym and just copying what he is doing is most likley NOT going to work for YOU.[/quote]

That actually isn’t what I am saying, because let’s face it, getting that big REQUIRES above average genetics to start with…so yeah, the guys most likely to also get huge probably DO need to be listening to the biggest guys and it likely WILL work for them or at least some of that info will.

I think you need to decide whether we are discussing the simple act of lifting weights for the average person…or truly trying to stand out in a crowd even among regular gym goers. This was in relation to BODYBUILDING, not ‘fitness training’.

This activity isn’t even for everyone at that level. I don’t exactly think most people can even build arms over 18"…but I’m not trying to be “most people” and anyone with any chance of being that big shouldn’t be following what is meant for someone who has trouble gaining anything at all.

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However, doing research into the various methods, finding credible sources of information, applying what you learn to yourself and expiramenting with different things and seeing how YOU respond to them is probably a very smart way to go. [/quote]

That is what anyone should do.

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Let me give you an example. If I put Cressey and Robertson in an average Gym on a monday night, there would be 20 Guys who look more the part than those two. But those two guys have more real world and scientific knowledge then 99% of the people in the Iron game.

The OP’s origional premise was he thought, Only big people know what they are talking about, That is a stupid premise. [/quote]

Bullshit. I seriously doubt ANYONE needs you tell them that there may be someone out there who gets huge by walking through the door at the gym. To take that and twist it into meaning anything more is retarded. You do NOT have a better chance of learning how to get really big from average looking people unless they were once really big or trained others to be.

Why the fuck would anyone waste time arguing that ALL big guys may not be able to help someone else? What is the point of this? The best advice I have EVER gotten has come from people way bigger than average. I can’t remember even one time in my life receiving valuable info from some skinny dude about how to get huge.

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So really someone else said it best. If you want to come on here and post a pic to get weakpoint feedback, Go ahead. If you want to come on here and get advice on Diet, Go right ahead. But if you want advice on training, why don’t you just read one of the 10,000 articles written by people who get paid to write workout programs and who do this every day for a living. [/quote]

Because all of those articles even directed at bodybuilders are not written by people who even follow bodybuilding. Waterbury is one of these people. Shit, some of the biggest people here don’t even read the articles on this site.

You are wasting time arguing some dumbass [point as if the biggest strongest guys need to be AVOIDED for info because they might just be a genetic freak who didn’t have to lift as hard.

Guess what, if you have a chance in hell of looking like them, you won’t be average either Einstein.

super_saiyan · November 4, 2010, 2:38pm

Judging someone’s training knowledge SOLELY on what they look like is stupid.

Even CT himself said that some people didn’t take him seriously because of what his body looked like. That’s why he decided to transform his physique:

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T-mag: Understandable. You really burst onto the scene with your Beast Evolves article. That transformation captured everyone’s attention, probably because your “after” pics represent the kind of physique most T-mag readers are trying for. What made you decide to do the transformation?

CT: It was actually an e-mail I received from a T-mag reader. No kidding! It was shortly after I published my “Power Look” article. I received an e-mail from this guy who basically said, “Why should I take you seriously? You donâ??t look muscular at all!” At first I shrugged it off and replied that I was a strength athlete; strength was my domain of expertise, not bodybuilding.

I then got injured in an Olympic lifting competition, which is sad really because at that time my training was going very well. I partially tore my left biceps. Nothing too serious, but it prevented me from doing any form of snatching for three to four months. Somehow the e-mail got back into my head and I decided, what the heck, I can’t train for Olympic lifting, might as well use this time to build a good body. And the rest is history!

http://www.T-Nation.com/free_online_article/sex_news_sports_funny/meet_the_press_1

He also says in the article:

“Obviously some big guys at the gym are born with great genetics. In most cases these guys aren’t the best source of information because, in most cases, they got where they’re at in spite of their training, not because of it!”

Professor_X · November 4, 2010, 2:46pm

[quote]super saiyan wrote:
Judging someone’s training knowledge SOLELY on what they look like is stupid.

Even CT himself said that some people didn’t take him seriously because of what his body looked like. That’s why he decided to transform his physique:
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Strawman. What has been said is that if a person isn’t well developed AND HASN’T TRAINED ANYONE ELSE TO BE, they shouldn’t be the focus of much attention for those with a goal of really big muscles and above average strength.

No one here is saying to only look at how huge someone is.

No one is saying every big guy on the planet can help you reach a goal.

No one is saying to avoid people who are big like CT was but not as big as he is now.

If any of you want to make up some more nonsense to pretend as if someone is arguing that, just let me know.

Unless some skinny guy at the gym has trained huge mutherfuckers to get huge, why the fuck would I waste my time on them?

Vegita · November 4, 2010, 3:00pm

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:
Judging someone’s training knowledge SOLELY on what they look like is stupid.

Even CT himself said that some people didn’t take him seriously because of what his body looked like. That’s why he decided to transform his physique:
[/quote]

Strawman. What has been said is that if a person isn’t well developed AND HASN’T TRAINED ANYONE ELSE TO BE, they shouldn’t be the focus of much attention for those with a goal of really big muscles and above average strength.

No one here is saying to only look at how huge someone is.

No one is saying every big guy on the planet can help you reach a goal.

No one is saying to avoid people who are big like CT was but not as big as he is now.

If any of you want to make up some more nonsense to pretend as if someone is arguing that, just let me know.

Unless some skinny guy at the gym has trained huge mutherfuckers to get huge, why the fuck would I waste my time on them?[/quote]

What are you talking about, Thats exactly what the OP said and is what we are arguing, we aren’t arguing with you, we are arguing with him.

Hold on, I’ma go quote his post again so we can see it clearly.

V

SkyNett · November 4, 2010, 3:03pm

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Unless some skinny guy at the gym has trained huge mutherfuckers to get huge, why the fuck would I waste my time on them?[/quote]

Because you are a kind-hearted, magnanimous person with a giant heart as big as your biceps, full of love for your fellow man?

Or not…

Vegita · November 4, 2010, 3:04pm

[quote]MetalRob wrote:
Hello all. My name is Rob,Ive been a lurker here for a while now. Excellent site! But I am curious as to all these people that post advice on nutrition, lifting, etc. as to what they look like. I only say this because I remember reading a post and a reply and seen the pic of the guy, if it was himself, and was like really? Not saying that a guy 6’ and 140lbs cant know what he is talking about,its just that I would like to get advice from someone who is what I want to look like.

It like going and getting an out of shape trainer, doesnt make sense to me, maybe Im wrong. You can blur out your head if you like but Im sure alot of people would like to see if this person has walked the walk and is a good representation of what most of us would like to look like,that is, at least like a Mens Health cover guy or better. Well thats my two cents. Thank you for reading this and hope I havent offended anyone. I look forward to being a member here as this is where I get all my nutrition and lifting advice.[/quote]

See he is saying, he isn’t really interested in WHAT a guy is saying, He merely wants a mens health cover model to say it to him. He didn’t even fucking mention Bodybuilding, Standing out in a Gym full of Big guys, or any of the other Professor Xisms that you have since brought to the table. So relax, go back and eat a few hamburgers, and let us continue to ridicule this person back into lurking. Hell you realize this guy said he wants to look like a mens Health cover model and YOU are defending him? What is this Bizzaro T-Nation?

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super_saiyan · November 4, 2010, 3:12pm

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:
Judging someone’s training knowledge SOLELY on what they look like is stupid.

Even CT himself said that some people didn’t take him seriously because of what his body looked like. That’s why he decided to transform his physique:
[/quote]

Strawman. What has been said is that if a person isn’t well developed AND HASN’T TRAINED ANYONE ELSE TO BE, they shouldn’t be the focus of much attention for those with a goal of really big muscles and above average strength.

No one here is saying to only look at how huge someone is.

No one is saying every big guy on the planet can help you reach a goal.

No one is saying to avoid people who are big like CT was but not as big as he is now.

If any of you want to make up some more nonsense to pretend as if someone is arguing that, just let me know.

Unless some skinny guy at the gym has trained huge mutherfuckers to get huge, why the fuck would I waste my time on them?[/quote]

LOL. You’re the one making up stuff. I like how you change the premise of the thread for the sake of your argument. The OP never said anything about “training someone else,” in addition to what they look like. He was discounting the advice of others if they didn’t look the part.

Read what I wrote again - “Judging someone’s training knowledge SOLELY on what they look like is stupid.”

Professor_X · November 4, 2010, 3:12pm

[quote]SkyNett wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Unless some skinny guy at the gym has trained huge mutherfuckers to get huge, why the fuck would I waste my time on them?[/quote]

Because you are a kind-hearted, magnanimous person with a giant heart as big as your biceps, full of love for your fellow man?

Or not… [/quote]

I’ve never even had someone small even try to come up and give me advice so I am not even sure why we are arguing this.

How dumb would someone have to be to want to be huge, go to the gym, see several HUGE guys lifting, and walk past all of them to go speak to the smallest personal trainer in the gym all because someone on the internet told them that genetic freaks exist?

It sounds like some weird kind of inferiority complex where all of the guys who think they can’t get big are trying to get back at those who can.

Professor_X · November 4, 2010, 3:14pm

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:
Judging someone’s training knowledge SOLELY on what they look like is stupid.

Even CT himself said that some people didn’t take him seriously because of what his body looked like. That’s why he decided to transform his physique:
[/quote]

Strawman. What has been said is that if a person isn’t well developed AND HASN’T TRAINED ANYONE ELSE TO BE, they shouldn’t be the focus of much attention for those with a goal of really big muscles and above average strength.

No one here is saying to only look at how huge someone is.

No one is saying every big guy on the planet can help you reach a goal.

No one is saying to avoid people who are big like CT was but not as big as he is now.

If any of you want to make up some more nonsense to pretend as if someone is arguing that, just let me know.

Unless some skinny guy at the gym has trained huge mutherfuckers to get huge, why the fuck would I waste my time on them?[/quote]

LOL. You’re the one making up stuff. I like how you change the premise of the thread for the sake of your argument. The OP never said anything about “training someone else,” in addition to what they look like. He was discounting the advice of others if they didn’t look the part.

Read what I wrote again - “Judging someone’s training knowledge SOLELY on what they look like is stupid.”[/quote]

Chances are slim that people who look untrained (or like most personal trainers in commercial gyms lately) know how to get someone to the level that someone like me is after. That is what I am arguing as well…unless that guy has some huge roster of well developed athletes he has trained.

Pointing out one or two people who are outliers doesn’t change that.

Nards · November 4, 2010, 3:22pm

What really matters would be the words coming out of their mouth.

Couldn’t a guy in a wheelchair with no physical ability whatsoever give some good advice?

Of course I’m not saying he can state blanket statements like “3 sets of 10 is best for hypertrophy!” but he could still know his stuff and help people along.

Please don’t tear me a new one as I didn’t read every post before mine carefully or even read them all at all.

SkyNett · November 4, 2010, 3:26pm

[quote]Vegita wrote:
It doesn’t? if this guy told OP how to work out you think he would find him credible based on an “eye” test?

V[/quote]

It’s pretty incredible that he went from that to his transformation look pretty much the same muscle mass-wise.

Just goes to show you how much low bodyfat contributes to looking insanely jacked. I mean, anyone who’s been around for awhile could tell he has thick arms and chest under that chub, but it’s pretty incredible just how different (and much, much more muscular) he looks leaned out, with roughly the same exact amount of LBM he carries in the “before” shots.

super_saiyan · November 4, 2010, 3:26pm

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:
Judging someone’s training knowledge SOLELY on what they look like is stupid.

Even CT himself said that some people didn’t take him seriously because of what his body looked like. That’s why he decided to transform his physique:
[/quote]

Strawman. What has been said is that if a person isn’t well developed AND HASN’T TRAINED ANYONE ELSE TO BE, they shouldn’t be the focus of much attention for those with a goal of really big muscles and above average strength.

No one here is saying to only look at how huge someone is.

No one is saying every big guy on the planet can help you reach a goal.

No one is saying to avoid people who are big like CT was but not as big as he is now.

If any of you want to make up some more nonsense to pretend as if someone is arguing that, just let me know.

Unless some skinny guy at the gym has trained huge mutherfuckers to get huge, why the fuck would I waste my time on them?[/quote]

LOL. You’re the one making up stuff. I like how you change the premise of the thread for the sake of your argument. The OP never said anything about “training someone else,” in addition to what they look like. He was discounting the advice of others if they didn’t look the part.

Read what I wrote again - “Judging someone’s training knowledge SOLELY on what they look like is stupid.”[/quote]

Chances are slim that people who look untrained (or like most personal trainers in commercial gyms lately) know how to get someone to the level that someone like me is after. That is what I am arguing as well…unless that guy has some huge roster of well developed athletes he has trained.

Pointing out one or two people who are outliers doesn’t change that.[/quote]

OK… How does my statement make you think that I advocate picking out the skinniest guys in the gym for advice?

All I said was that judging someone’s training knowledge SOLELY on what they look like is stupid.

Vegita · November 4, 2010, 3:48pm