Physique Clinic discussion for bizarre

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[quote]Curodd wrote:
I am surprised more people arnt taking thsi stance. Im really really fuckin surprised that ANYONE is giving him an sympathy. He signed up, committed himself for 3 months, and lasted 3 weeks. That right there is FUCKING pathetic. It becoms very obvious why some people are the way they are, either small or fat, when they not only condone, but APPLAUDE this type of behavior.

good run? whoever said this makes me wonder. A good run for you is 3 weeks? wow that is fuckin stunning. 3 weeks is about what it takes to gain .11 pounds of muscle. So maybe you are correct. GREAT run bizzare! you had all the possible help at the foot of your door, two of the worlds greatest coaches, one of the highest quality supplement comapanys SPONSERSHIP, and you last…3 weeks.

How long do you last on your own? There is nothin remotly impressive or encourging about his run. He should feel like a douche for wasting thib and shugarts time, and anyone who followed his portion of the physique clinic.

What do you teach people by applauding there failure? this is testosterone nation, not commend the weak minded-nation. I am in 4th year finals and managed to accomplish Poliquin’s super accumulation program, with only myself to rely on. This guy had everything and didnt last 3 weeks. Fuckin rediculous.

This only goes to further my belief that you can give someone the best diet, the best training, surround them with the best people…but its only yourself who decides what gets accomplished.

again fuckin sickening
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While I agree that it was not a “good run”, I still can’t realistically fault the guy for taking his real-life academics seriously. Handling your shit in school - especially in regard to matters that can make or break your career goals - is significantly more important than jumping through hoops for the T-crowd out here (because, believe it or not, this isn’t that big of a deal…there’s always gonna be someone else waiting to jump on board).

Sure, he is an idiot for signing up for something he really couldn’t put his heart into and do what was asked of him - even though I am sure he had the best of intentions at the start (who would put their face on the 'net if they had plans to cop out?) - but to call him a (paraphrased here) “disgusting, classless cocksucker” is a little ridiculous, in my book.

I mean, it’s not like he set out at the start to fuck over Biotest for free supplements. And, in the end, he is the one who lost out the most - not anyone looking to “monkey see, monkey do” their training based on his routine/diet or simply watching for entertainment.

It’s unfortunate, and though I can say I am somewhat disappointed in how this turned out, I think I would be taking it too seriously if I said he “sickened” me.

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[quote]conner wrote:
Curodd wrote:
I am surprised more people arnt taking thsi stance. Im really really fuckin surprised that ANYONE is giving him an sympathy. He signed up, committed himself for 3 months, and lasted 3 weeks. That right there is FUCKING pathetic. It becoms very obvious why some people are the way they are, either small or fat, when they not only condone, but APPLAUDE this type of behavior.

good run? whoever said this makes me wonder. A good run for you is 3 weeks? wow that is fuckin stunning. 3 weeks is about what it takes to gain .11 pounds of muscle. So maybe you are correct. GREAT run bizzare! you had all the possible help at the foot of your door, two of the worlds greatest coaches, one of the highest quality supplement comapanys SPONSERSHIP, and you last…3 weeks.

How long do you last on your own? There is nothin remotly impressive or encourging about his run. He should feel like a douche for wasting thib and shugarts time, and anyone who followed his portion of the physique clinic.

What do you teach people by applauding there failure? this is testosterone nation, not commend the weak minded-nation. I am in 4th year finals and managed to accomplish Poliquin’s super accumulation program, with only myself to rely on. This guy had everything and didnt last 3 weeks. Fuckin rediculous.

This only goes to further my belief that you can give someone the best diet, the best training, surround them with the best people…but its only yourself who decides what gets accomplished.

again fuckin sickening

While I agree that it was not a “good run”, I still can’t realistically fault the guy for taking his real-life academics seriously. Handling your shit in school - especially in regard to matters that can make or break your career goals - is significantly more important than jumping through hoops for the T-crowd out here (because, believe it or not, this isn’t that big of a deal…there’s always gonna be someone else waiting to jump on board).

Sure, he is an idiot for signing up for something he really couldn’t put his heart into and do what was asked of him - even though I am sure he had the best of intentions at the start (who would put their face on the 'net if they had plans to cop out?) - but to call him a (paraphrased here) “disgusting, classless cocksucker” is a little ridiculous, in my book.

I mean, it’s not like he set out at the start to fuck over Biotest for free supplements. And, in the end, he is the one who lost out the most - not anyone looking to “monkey see, monkey do” their training based on his routine/diet or simply watching for entertainment.

It’s unfortunate, and though I can say I am somewhat disappointed in how this turned out, I think I would be taking it too seriously if I said he “sickened” me.[/quote]

agreed. I am not sickened by him, im sickened at anyone commending that attempt. The biggest waste is guys like Thib and Shugart, that who i am personally pissed for. Although it deosnt speak bad on there part. These guys gave up time and obviously money(they could have trained other people)to train/help him and they got someone who did this. Thats brutal IMO

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[quote]Curodd wrote:

agreed. I am not sickened by him, im sickened at anyone commending that attempt. The biggest waste is guys like Thib and Shugart, that who i am personally pissed for. Although it deosnt speak bad on there part. These guys gave up time and obviously money(they could have trained other people)to train/help him and they got someone who did this. Thats brutal IMO
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Yeah, I hear ya on that. But, such is the nature of the Clinic, I think - taking risks on us forumites ain’t always gonna pay off.

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[quote]scream wrote:
fobzy wrote:

scream just curious but how long did you spend at the gym for that session? also i was doing it right and there are that many reps of sqauts etc?

Roughly an hour and 10 minutes[/quote]

Entirely too long if this was the total time from your first working set to your last. I understand he asked about total time in the gym, so if this locker room, warmups, etc., no problem then. Just trying to be clear for others that might have questions.

It should be hell, but not 70 minutes of hell.

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[quote]fobzy wrote:
scream just curious but how long did you spend at the gym for that session? also i was doing it right and there are that many reps of sqauts etc?
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Not likely if you got 70 reps of squats in. Look into the described methods for the partials and drop sets, and compare this to what you did.

You need to look at most of the workouts as 10-12 super extended sets from hell. It sounds more likely that you did something along the lines of straight sets with longer rest.

As written, this program isn’t about taking instinctive rest so you can move the most weight possible every time you unrack the bar/machine. After that first set to failure, things are going to start dropping considerably. You go hard, you go fast; you do not go long.

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[quote]Curodd wrote:

agreed. I am not sickened by him, im sickened at anyone commending that attempt. The biggest waste is guys like Thib and Shugart, that who i am personally pissed for. Although it deosnt speak bad on there part. These guys gave up time and obviously money(they could have trained other people)to train/help him and they got someone who did this. Thats brutal IMO

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No I think that they are getting paid for this, it’s clearly a flagship for this SURGE Workout Fuel. It really is a disservice to the hundreds of people that have signed up for the Clinic and actually need it and will actually use it.

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[quote]duncanidaho wrote:
Curodd wrote:

agreed. I am not sickened by him, im sickened at anyone commending that attempt. The biggest waste is guys like Thib and Shugart, that who i am personally pissed for. Although it deosnt speak bad on there part. These guys gave up time and obviously money(they could have trained other people)to train/help him and they got someone who did this. Thats brutal IMO

No I think that they are getting paid for this, it’s clearly a flagship for this SURGE Workout Fuel. It really is a disservice to the hundreds of people that have signed up for the Clinic and actually need it and will actually use it.[/quote]

Well, the Clinic is clearly designed to showcase the talents of the T-Nation authors and to spark more interest in Biotest products (maybe not in that order, do ya think ;)), but, from what I understand, at least, the new SURGE Workout Fuel (at - what is it? - $200 per container?) is going to be marketed more towards professional athletes than the Average Joe.

As far as it being a disservice…well, I’m sure he did the “right” thing and sent any unopened products back. They are looking for a new guinea pig right now, I believe, so, realistically, bizarre only cheated (and embarrassed) himself.

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In bizarre’s defense, he disclosed two medical conditions in his background:

and…

Eating lots probably could have solved the high thyroxine level problem, but I have to say that the disclosure about the recent gallbladder surgery should have been a huge red flag. Bizarre certainly shares some responsibility here in that he probably should have thought twice about applying, but in the end, he did provide disclosure. T-Nation either missed this fact in their review or decided to take a chance on the kid and it didn’t work out (obviously).

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If he underwent a cholecystectomy several weeks ago he should’ve been well recovered from it. Such a common procedure it is really in and out with about a 2 week tops recovery time that I have seen. Unless he had gallstones, the surgery is very basic and quick. I wouldn’t think this would be considered a “medical condition” to hinder his progress in the physique clinic. Also, if he had high thyroxine levels you figure a good physician would pick that up and treat it accordingly, to high of thyroxine levels can lead to many more undisclosed problems.

Just my $0.02

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Bizzare puss’d out, that’s it, that’s all. I knew it wouldn’t be long before at least one contestant dropped out. It’s just a fact of life, not everyone can take the heat.

I used to see it all the time when I trained in Muay Thai, when I was in Highschool. We’d get these hardcore wannabe dudes off the street, wanting to kick ass and take names. Once they realized that anything worth doing takes time and energy they quickly dropped out.

I hate to rag on Bizarre but he did bitch out big time.

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FYI - New “ecto” coming soon!

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hope this one is actually skinny this time lol

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[quote]distinctMurMur wrote:
scream wrote:
fobzy wrote:

scream just curious but how long did you spend at the gym for that session? also i was doing it right and there are that many reps of sqauts etc?

Roughly an hour and 10 minutes

Entirely too long if this was the total time from your first working set to your last. I understand he asked about total time in the gym, so if this locker room, warmups, etc., no problem then. Just trying to be clear for others that might have questions.

It should be hell, but not 70 minutes of hell.[/quote]

Yeah thats including warmup and also waiting for a friend who was with me to finish his set etc.

If I had to estimate my own time training it would have been about 45-50 minutes I’d say. Hour and 10 total in the gym with everything included.

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Looks like the admin won’t let bizarre’s failure be forgotten that easily.

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lol he may as well banish himself.

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I’m not saying yay or nay either way, but, okay, this is what I don’t understand…

I work a full time job, do consulting on the side, have sole custody of a 2 year old, and am preparing for medical school.

And yet work out hard, eat 6 times, and keep a detailed workout journal every single day.

He had the exact plan in front of him, which should actually save time. I’m just not sure why he couldn’t keep up.

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[quote]undeadlift wrote:
Looks like the admin won’t let bizarre’s failure be forgotten that easily.[/quote]

Yeah, they gave him the Red Letters of Shame. Don’t get stuck with the RLS!

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[quote]HotCarl28 wrote:
hockechamp14 wrote:
ourmoney wrote:
HotCarl28 wrote:
what a fucking pussy… and an ungrateful cock… u get fucking two great coaches and unlimited supplements… suck a dick kid… thanks for wasting everyone’s time with ur half-assery

i agree man!

Everyone already ran him out of the Physique Clinic, so he opened up the slot for someone else. That’s better than just giving up and disappearing. His thread is over so why don’t you leave him alone? There’s nothing left to accomplish by harassing the guy.

The assignment about toxic people by Shugs perfectly describes about half of this thread, mad and jealous he got something. He screwed up, and great people have made mistakes. His stepped aside his spot so just let him be.

Man there are some real assholes here…Leave him alone. So it didn’t work out for him. Not everybody is cut out for it. He tried, he failed, many more will fail. Most of the “haters” would likely fail too.

Good luck to you Bizarre…This is just a set back, never give up. You can hit your goals. It just time to move on.

Both of u make invalid arguments… let me explain

there is in fact something to accomplish by continuing to harass him… one it proves the initial claim that u will be humiliated if u drop out (Thibs mentioned this i believe in most if not all teh threads) so they knew it was coming… to not do it would be like saying hey if u steal that ur going to jail and then not punishing the person once they committed the crime… perhaps this harassment will kick him in the ass and make him realize what a waste he is

secondly and more importantly it serves as an example to what will happen if someone new decides to join and drops out…perhaps because they dont want to be ridiculed they will try harder

great ppl have made mistakes? what does this mean… they weren’t ridiculed for it… terrible point

“most of the haters would fail too” you make the assumption that all of the “haters” have signed up for the physique clinic… i personally have not… whether or not the haters would fail is irrelevant unless they too have signed up for the clinic… when u sign up u make a commitment… if this kid was busy with school and had a pre-existing medical condition… maybe he shoulda realized he couldn’t do this

still the thing that bothers me the most is that ppl are cutting him slack for this “medical condition”… how naive are u ppl… (what goes through bizarres mind)
"well i wanna quit but everyone is gonna call me a big pussy, and thibs is gonna be pissed i wasted his time. i wonder what i can do to take the heat off me. Oh wait i can say i have a medical condition… that will alleviate me from responsibility and ppl will feel bad ridiculing me because its something i can’t help. Yahtzee!!! "

Beyond that even if he does have a medical condition especially one that can obviously affect his trainig … dont u think he should have mentioned this… in this case he is still a douche who purposefully withheld relevant information in order to get picked

in closing bizarre u are still a cocksucker in my book… plz dont let these holier than thou internet crusaders raise ur spirit, u failed, and u did so with no integrity or class, u failed miserably, u wasted everyone’s time and u know it, do not convince urself otherwise, u failed, u failed hard, u tried and remained the scrawny ecto that u have always been, ppl say its ok but everyone has been utterly unimpressed by the meager effort that compliments ur meager phsyique… it must suck to know that even with all the help in the world u still couldn’t do it… u disgust me… u failed

good luck in the future

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So hotcarl, your life sucks and it’s all bizarre’s fault.

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[quote]undertheiron wrote:
I’m not saying yay or nay either way, but, okay, this is what I don’t understand…

I work a full time job, do consulting on the side, have sole custody of a 2 year old, and am preparing for medical school.

And yet work out hard, eat 6 times, and keep a detailed workout journal every single day.

He had the exact plan in front of him, which should actually save time. I’m just not sure why he couldn’t keep up.[/quote]

Many years ago, before he got his show or people knew anything about him, I read one of Dr. Phil’s books (go ahead, get it out of your system now, ridicule makes me stronger :P) and it actually had some decent points that have stuck with me… one of them had to do with making time for things that are important.

His example was, “If you’re running late for work in the morning, you might sometimes skip brushing your teeth. But do you ever say ‘I’m so late I don’t have time to put on my pants’ and run out the door naked?” No… unless your house is on fire, you make time to put on pants. And even if your house is on fire, you make time to grab your two year old!

His point was that the explanation “I don’t have time” almost always actually means “it’s not a high priority”–because if it was a top priority, you would make time without even having to think about it. Brushing your teeth may be a priority, but not an urgent one, and if you’re in a rush, you won’t agonize over skipping it; but putting on clothes is something you just do, even if you have to rush, no matter how late you are.

Of course there are life and death situations where you actually, literally have to skip things that are normally a top priority…like the aforementioned housefire. And there are some things that would take many hours a day (like getting a second job); of course people can legitimately lack the necessary time for that.

But if you keep that first example in mind, about brushing your teeth vs. putting on clothes, then you won’t be fooled anymore by people repeatedly saying “I don’t have time” for things that simply don’t take that long. I know tons of people who say they can’t spare time for something that takes a half hour daily; but when you spend a few days with them, you see all kinds of ways in which they habitually waste time, and could easily fit in another half hour of effort–if they chose to. You might be dismayed to realize how many people in your life are just brushing you off, under the deception of giving you a legitimate reason they can’t do something.

At that point, you’re usually better off cutting ties with them, or at least backing off and not relying on them anymore–when someone’s that entrenched in making excuses, you’re not going to achieve anything by trying to press the point. They’re not going to admit to it, and they’ll just become more stubborn and resentful if you pin them down. But at least you can know (without being racked with doubts) that it’s BS, and that you don’t need to waste more of your own time on them. (God help you if you’re already married to them at this point.)

I only know some basic details of bizarre’s personal situation. I don’t believe he was simply wasting time; and I can certainly accept that getting into med school is more important for him than succeeding at this… yet I’m not so sure that it was an either/or choice, where he genuinely couldn’t spare that time for journaling without failing his other goals. Still, I’m ready to give him the benefit of the doubt, that he really couldn’t take off another half hour per day from his studies, without catastrophically failing his tests.

My disappointment is more from the fact that he knew about these obstacles and priorities in advance, and probably shouldn’t have applied for the program. He seems like a good guy, hard working and smart with sincere intentions; but I think he made an honest error in judgement. There are times when it’s great to psyche yourself up by trying to believe you have no limitations, and believe you can overcome anything within a specific time frame, no matter how difficult… but this wasn’t one of those times.

Anyone who isn’t ready to commit themselves 100% to the Physique Clinic training/diet/journaling as a top priority, for several months, ought to stick to observing and playing along at home (and perhaps applying for a later round).

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Yeah but the guy is young, how many people that young are THAT good at time management balancing all those things he was trying to do? Young and full of beans, enthusiastic to achieve this and that and the other, not yet fully realising the massive amount of effort it all takes.

I never really thought he looked like an ecto… or much of a challenge at all really. Am I right in assuming he gets all the supplements and now plans to DIET to see his abs??? what the???

Someone needs to get Wannabebig in the contest, but he ain’t in the USA so can’t do it.

I think the PC is a great idea though and hopefully will help a lot of people.