Physique Clinic discussion for Barti

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Hey man, amazing work on the transformation. I thought I’d drop in what I’ve learned about injuries through running.

I used to run half marathon distance 1x a week adn then 2x8km (5miles) 5x a week for about a year. I was relatively injury free, a bit of stiffness here and there.

Then I decided to train for a marathon. It was winter so lots of cold runs with cold returns and waiting for warm showers and screwed immune system due to exertion etc. Long story short I got sick a number of times in that three month period and every time I’d wait until I was almost better then start training again. Plus while recovering I’d still do the short runs and the riding and the weights…

Every time I’d get sick again and it just really limited teh amount of prep I could do. I just had in my mine that I had to get this out of the way, it was important to me.

When marathon day came I lined up thinking I could do it but not knowing, because my prep was shit. I’d done the 33km pre-lim and all that but still I didn’t know I could, and I think you have to know it.

Anyway about 10km in I ended up dodging another retardo on the course (there are usually so many retards in these things) onto some grass and hurt my knee. I pushed it as long as I could but got half way and had to stop. It truly felt like I was grinding my knee away.

I was disappointed to say the least, I’d put so much mentally into this thing. As you’ve put into your triathlon. It was the pinnacle of me showing how much weight I’d lost and how far I’d come (I went from 190kg to run at 103kg).

BUT… later (and now) I realise that I’ve changed and I have all the time in the world to do a marathon, a triathlon, to enjoy life. Just like you man, your life has changed and while I know you want to live it fully, trust me it’s best to let your body recover, miss this triathlon then be able to do as many triathlons, runs, rides and all manner of things in the future.

I’m glad I dropped out of the marathon now, it hurt for a couple of months afterwards but I hate to think what it would have been like had I pushed myself. Now though and from about three months afterwards the knee hasn’t hurt at all.

I’m now sitting around 93kg and about 10-11% which is way leaner than when I lined up for the marathon. I’m running faster than ever.

This is really long, but I thought the backstory was important. If you aren’t sure about your knee then don’t line up this time. Get better, and remember rather than lineup this time and only possibly finish it and probably damage yourself, line up 100 times in the future and smash every one :wink:

All the best mate, your life isn’t one race, your PC isn’t one race.

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[quote]Bartl wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
Hey Bartl. You just have to stay positive and think how much worse it could be. Revel in the fact that you are able to train intensely at all. Hopefully you WILL be able to do this race. It doesn’t sound like your injruy is too terrible. But if not, there WILL be OTHER races. Right now, I have an abdominal strain and have done no exercise for a week. I just saw a top sports medicine doc who works with Michigan’s football and hockey teams extensisvely and is known for being fairly agressive and getting athletes healthy again quickly. He told me I should do ZERO exercise for at least two more weeks and then ease back in.

I was also getting ready to get back into racing. I ran track in college and was beginning training again in that way, looking to get back into racing the 800. So, it is extremely frustrating. But even being forced to be totally sedentary, I try to remind myself that being out for a few weeks is better than really messing myself up and being out for months. I WILL be back in the gym. And I will also live to race another day.

Great advice jsbrook. I don’t know if I could be sedentary leading up to the race or even at all for that matter. I give you kudo’s for being able to do nothing at all.
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Yes, it REALLY sucks. But the potential long-term problems I might otherwise cause myself would be much worse.

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[quote]deltaname wrote:
So, does the Surge Workout Fuel provide you any benefit? I see you and Shugs using it, but I don’t see it in the store. Are they using you to evaluate it?[/quote]

I don’t think its available to the public…YET. I am hoping they offer but if they do, it will be uber expensive I have a feeling. The benefits of Surge Workout Fuel are hard to explain. Ever since I stopped using it while lifting weights, I can tell a major difference in where my energy is coming from. I have been using it on my endurance training and holy shit is it a god send. I take it before and it gets me till about an hour into whatever I am doing, then I will sip more to finish out, ie the last 30-45 minutes of running or the last 20-30 minutes on the bike. I can feel it almost immediately. It just makes you feel strong and energized and gives you a boost to finish. Like Shugs said, you can train beyond what you normally would be able to do.

I will never drink Gatorade or any kind of sport drink ever again as long as Surge Workout Fuel is available. Its far superior to anything out there.

Please make it public…

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[quote]ozzyaaron wrote:
Hey man, amazing work on the transformation. I thought I’d drop in what I’ve learned about injuries through running.

I used to run half marathon distance 1x a week adn then 2x8km (5miles) 5x a week for about a year. I was relatively injury free, a bit of stiffness here and there.

Then I decided to train for a marathon. It was winter so lots of cold runs with cold returns and waiting for warm showers and screwed immune system due to exertion etc. Long story short I got sick a number of times in that three month period and every time I’d wait until I was almost better then start training again. Plus while recovering I’d still do the short runs and the riding and the weights…

Every time I’d get sick again and it just really limited teh amount of prep I could do. I just had in my mine that I had to get this out of the way, it was important to me.

When marathon day came I lined up thinking I could do it but not knowing, because my prep was shit. I’d done the 33km pre-lim and all that but still I didn’t know I could, and I think you have to know it.

Anyway about 10km in I ended up dodging another retardo on the course (there are usually so many retards in these things) onto some grass and hurt my knee. I pushed it as long as I could but got half way and had to stop. It truly felt like I was grinding my knee away.

I was disappointed to say the least, I’d put so much mentally into this thing. As you’ve put into your triathlon. It was the pinnacle of me showing how much weight I’d lost and how far I’d come (I went from 190kg to run at 103kg).

BUT… later (and now) I realise that I’ve changed and I have all the time in the world to do a marathon, a triathlon, to enjoy life. Just like you man, your life has changed and while I know you want to live it fully, trust me it’s best to let your body recover, miss this triathlon then be able to do as many triathlons, runs, rides and all manner of things in the future.

I’m glad I dropped out of the marathon now, it hurt for a couple of months afterwards but I hate to think what it would have been like had I pushed myself. Now though and from about three months afterwards the knee hasn’t hurt at all.

I’m now sitting around 93kg and about 10-11% which is way leaner than when I lined up for the marathon. I’m running faster than ever.

This is really long, but I thought the backstory was important. If you aren’t sure about your knee then don’t line up this time. Get better, and remember rather than lineup this time and only possibly finish it and probably damage yourself, line up 100 times in the future and smash every one :wink:

All the best mate, your life isn’t one race, your PC isn’t one race. [/quote]

Hey Ozzyaaron,

thanks for the story, it was very eye opening. But, I’m a stubborn SOB and I believe that my knee will be ready by race day. I know my body won’t let me down even though right know it feels like it is. I think this weekend of recovery will help.

I appreciate your thoughts and your honesty but my mind is made up and I am going to race in 15 days.

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[quote]jsbrook wrote:

Yes, it REALLY sucks. But the potential long-term problems I might otherwise cause myself would be much worse.[/quote]

Its called a Nintendo Wii. Get Tiger Woods golf and you will be good. Not only can you golf, but you can work on your swing :slight_smile:

…not that I know (wink, wink)

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Your transformation is amazing!

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Hey i was reading your clinic and i saw you mentioned the sword. i just bought gods of earth and i am in love with it. just wanted to share. that is all.

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[quote]Bartl wrote:
jsbrook wrote:

Yes, it REALLY sucks. But the potential long-term problems I might otherwise cause myself would be much worse.

Its called a Nintendo Wii. Get Tiger Woods golf and you will be good. Not only can you golf, but you can work on your swing :slight_smile:

…not that I know (wink, wink)[/quote]

Haha. Good stuff. Fortunately [or unfortunately] I’m in law school finals and don’t have much free time. It’s more just the mental fogginess and feeling like a slug that being sedentary brings that’s annoying. Seems like you are finding ways to work around your injury, though, and still getting some solid training in. That’s good.

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[quote]Beauzo wrote:
Your transformation is amazing![/quote]

Thanks beauzo, its been a great ride that for sure

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[quote]Fullback33 wrote:
Hey i was reading your clinic and i saw you mentioned the sword. i just bought gods of earth and i am in love with it. just wanted to share. that is all.[/quote]

Hopefully you have Age of Winters…album is epic

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If it’s would be just a passing interest, the ACE certification would be okay, but if you’re serious you should try for the NSCA or ACSM cert.

p.s. I envy that you got to chill with Flogging Molly.

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Hey man,
Good advice from Fiction.

Also, this is from a T-Nation article from way back (dunno, maybe you’ve read this already:

Is everyone who has a degree in personal training a clueless cretin? Not at all. To most, it’s a springboard. The first step towards having a better understanding of nutrition and training techniques. Many already highly-skilled people go through the motions of getting accredited by one of these organizations because they wouldn’t be allowed to work otherwise. It’s a racket. Whaddya gonna’ do?

I heard Charles Poliquin speak at a clinic for trainers not too long ago, and he had the best advice I’d ever heard concerning personal training. (I may be paraphrasing, but…) He told the students, “Get to know your client’s personality. That can be the most important aspect in determining results versus wasted effort.”

In any case, man, that’s cool as hell that you’re being offered that job. It seems like it might fit right in with your lifestyle. Give that shit some serious thought. Congrats and keep taking care of that knee!

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This is a great inspiration to everyone, I’m new here and someone told me to read the clinic for you (Bartl) to get some insight into the whole thing and get some training tips.

What an amazing journey so far, I basically read through the whole thread yesterday only skipping the posts about hocky players and games.

You’ve made some amazing progress and have really motivated me to get my ass in gear. I already run 4 times a week, medium to long distance.

I’m thinking of adding a lot of the workout routines to my own plan as well as follwing the diet that the Coach gave you for the first 2 months.

I hope I can do as well as you without the supplements.

I hope the rest of your journey goes well, and I wish you great success in the upcoming triathalon.

LR

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[quote]London Runner wrote:

What an amazing journey so far, I basically read through the whole thread yesterday only skipping the posts about hocky players and games.

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In response to this Bartl, I don’t know if you’ve read through your entire clinic yet in one sitting or not, but I would suggest it even though you wrote the most of it. Besides for some of the comedy involved in what you could do now vs then, I believe it’ll help lift your spirit a bit in regard to injury. Of all the people you beat out to get in the clinic, what if they decided to go with guy b instead of Bartl. Where would you be right now if that happened? I’m one to believe things always happen for a reason, including this clinic for you. If your supposed to participate in the triathlon, then you will, if not then it wasn’t mean’t to be. All there is to it.

I think amazing journey sums it up nicely, although involving the OSU/Michigan football games from the past few years instead of the hockey would of made it 100 times better.

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I’m not trying to throw a wet blanket over your job offer because I truly think it is a fantastic opportunity. And I’ll also admit that what I know about the industry comes from reading posts on here and other sites from (mostly frustrated) trainers. I recently read a post from a guy who literally quit his job at a gym because he believed that full squats were safe (they are) but “gym policy” said to only train clients on the quarter squat because it was safer on the knee. Oddly, I read somewhere that quarter squats can be more stressful on the knee. Go figure.

And don’t get me started on the myths and misinformation about weight training that’s out there. I also suspect that your role will be more like Shugs than Thibs. Sure, you’ll do some program design, but you’ll probably have to hold a lot of hands and listen to some whining. Still, would I take this opportunity if I were you? In a heartbeat. You’ll have the opportunity to make an impact on someone’s health. Sure, some clients may quit, and some may not get the results that you or they had hoped. But all it takes is one satisfied client to make your day.

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[quote]Fiction wrote:
If it’s would be just a passing interest, the ACE certification would be okay, but if you’re serious you should try for the NSCA or ACSM cert.

p.s. I envy that you got to chill with Flogging Molly.[/quote]

Hey Fiction, I totally agree about the NSCA and ACSM certs and should I decide to do this, will definitely pursue one if not both of those. He just said ACE because its one that you can get pretty quickly just to get me started.

I tell you man, that crew of Flogging Molly was super cool. There bassist was drinking Guiness like its water.

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[quote]Xeneize wrote:
Hey man,
Good advice from Fiction.

Also, this is from a T-Nation article from way back (dunno, maybe you’ve read this already:

Is everyone who has a degree in personal training a clueless cretin? Not at all. To most, it’s a springboard. The first step towards having a better understanding of nutrition and training techniques. Many already highly-skilled people go through the motions of getting accredited by one of these organizations because they wouldn’t be allowed to work otherwise. It’s a racket. Whaddya gonna’ do?

I heard Charles Poliquin speak at a clinic for trainers not too long ago, and he had the best advice I’d ever heard concerning personal training. (I may be paraphrasing, but…) He told the students, “Get to know your client’s personality. That can be the most important aspect in determining results versus wasted effort.”

In any case, man, that’s cool as hell that you’re being offered that job. It seems like it might fit right in with your lifestyle. Give that shit some serious thought. Congrats and keep taking care of that knee![/quote]

Xeneize, its funny you mention that article because I remember reading it when it came out. And I agree with Poliquin regarding clients. You could have the best resources and the most knowledge, but if you have no personality and you get figure out your clients, you will never be good and your business will be nill.

BTW, did a 20 mile bike ride yesterday and the knee feels surprisingly good.

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[quote]London Runner wrote:
This is a great inspiration to everyone, I’m new here and someone told me to read the clinique for you (Bartl) to get some insight into the whole thing and get some training tips.

What an amazing journey so far, I basically read through the whole thread yesterday only skipping the posts about hocky players and games.

You’ve made some amazing progress and have really motivated me to get my ass in gear. I already run 4 times a week, medium to long distance.

I’m thinking of adding a lot of the workout routines to my own plan as well as follwing the diet that the Coach gave you for the first 2 months.

I hope I can do as well as you without the supplements.

I hope the rest of your journey goes well, and I wish you great success in the upcoming triathalon.

LR
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Right on LR, I’m glad your friend gave the recommendation. I guess my story is world wide and making a difference. Thats pretty cool.

If you have the right mindset, you can reach your training goals. Just put your mind to it and don’t let anything get in your way until you get there.

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[quote]Higgins wrote:
London Runner wrote:

What an amazing journey so far, I basically read through the whole thread yesterday only skipping the posts about hocky players and games.

In response to this Bartl, I don’t know if you’ve read through your entire clinic yet in one sitting or not, but I would suggest it even though you wrote the most of it. Besides for some of the comedy involved in what you could do now vs then, I believe it’ll help lift your spirit a bit in regard to injury. Of all the people you beat out to get in the clinic, what if they decided to go with guy b instead of Bartl. Where would you be right now if that happened? I’m one to believe things always happen for a reason, including this clinic for you. If your supposed to participate in the triathlon, then you will, if not then it wasn’t mean’t to be. All there is to it.

I think amazing journey sums it up nicely, although involving the OSU/Michigan football games from the past few years instead of the hockey would of made it 100 times better.[/quote]

Ha ha…if it was football season the tone of my posts would have been immensely different as I am a different person on Saturday’s between the end of August and the first of January.

I do plan on reading my entire thread before I write my last post. I think it will give me some good review points and help me relive what I went through to get to where I am at.

Even though you are a Buckeye, I’m glad you posted on my thread Higgins. There is a commercial on TV where a Michigan fan drops his bag and an OSU fan picks it up and hands it to them and they share a smile. In a way, thats how I see us…kind of.

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[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:
Don’t expect to learn much… in fact to pass the test you might have to unlearn some stuff you learned here since most organisations are 10-15 years late!

I’m not trying to throw a wet blanket over your job offer because I truly think it is a fantastic opportunity. And I’ll also admit that what I know about the industry comes from reading posts on here and other sites from (mostly frustrated) trainers. I recently read a post from a guy who literally quit his job at a gym because he believed that full squats were safe (they are) but “gym policy” said to only train clients on the quarter squat because it was safer on the knee. Oddly, I read somewhere that quarter squats can be more stressful on the knee. Go figure. And don’t get me started on the myths and misinformation about weight training that’s out there. I also suspect that your role will be more like Shugs than Thibs. Sure, you’ll do some program design, but you’ll probably have to hold a lot of hands and listen to some whining. Still, would I take this opportunity if I were you? In a heartbeat. You’ll have the opportunity to make an impact on someone’s health. Sure, some clients may quit, and some may not get the results that you or they had hoped. But all it takes is one satisfied client to make your day.[/quote]

I feel the same way Mike. I’m not going to try and emulate what Thibs does or even what Shugs does. I just would like to share my story and help someone make a change to their lifestyle.