UM…God forbid that someone do an ad for a product they dont really use! Im sure that never happens in bodybuilding! I mean its unheard of! Im sure Lee Priest uses nothing but Twinlab products and that Marcus Ruhl really meant that “stenandiol is the best anabolic product he uses” For that matter Michaels Jordan must drink nothing but Pepsi. Geez guys lighten up on the J-man. Who gives a freak what supps he uses. If ABC supplemnet company asked me to take a few pics holding some jug of protein powder Id never heard of b4-WHO CARES!
J…
I don’t think that the “guys” who aren’t being “positive” are necessarily being “un-positive” (I can make up words if I want damnit, I’m CUPCAKE!) but rather the nature of “text only conversations” make it seems so. I think that the questions being raised and things being said would be occurring if we were standing around our favourite Pub after a workout session (one that included some killer Deads for your back 
and shooting the shit. Yes sir, mucho beer and lots of fun debatin’ and solvin’ the worlds problems…
Think of it like that just this way you don’t have to sleep with an ugly fat girl at the end.
(apologies to ugly, fat girls everywhere. You know who you are.)
“A recent police study found that you’re much more likely to get shot by a fat cop if you run”
~ Dennis Miller
T-rock, aint it something my man? hey check it out bro, your plan souds great, and once again I have to start out with a big thanks, but I will chill them out from now on alright big dog. Ooooh today was awesome in the gym, and I am loving the 3 p-f meals, had to get stack up on cashew butter today:) This really is a fun experience, because there is so much fueling my fire right now, and the focus is so incredible. I am very thankful for this oppurtunity, and I really hope I can be a motivator for those hard trainers out there, hit that weight stack!
With the carb up, I am guessing that I will be choosing some high GI carb sources, if that is the case, then bring on the rice cakes baby I am ready, man this is fun. I still have to get the date for the shoot, but I will keep all informed as to when this will go down. Hey T, how long should I weight between my last p-c meal to start the p-f, is two hours adequate enough, or should I wait longer? (remember its them yummy little yams that I have to use up) Just a side note for those interested, this excitement is really spilling over out here, I am a child care worker, and a work with at risk youth in a group home setting, and when the guys found out, all they wanted to do was pushups and crunches, they told me that I have to do pushups and crunches with them each night before I go home, of course I couldnt turn the guys down:)
J-Bird, I’m very glad to be greeted by your up-beat nature, but I expect nothing less from such a remarkable young brother.
I think you’ll start to value more and more the potency of protein and fat meals. As individuals start to experience the changes in physique, health, concentration and energy levels throughout the day, I think they will start to understand the physiology better.
We’ll talk more about the carb-up, but you can pretty much throw the GI out the window. Your muscles will be like super-absorbant sponges for all that glucose. You’ll be packing in about 3-4 times more glycogen than normal. You’re going to explode.
I’d probably wait about two and one-half to three hours for a fat-containing meal after a carb-containing meal.
Keep up the outstanding work, J!
I was speaking with a fellow gym member yesterday, and SHE told me about using distilled water prior to shooting, she said to use it with everything, any one else here about doing this, and if so how important is it in shedding extra water?
thanks T- the wait will be tough, but must be done, also I always make sure to involve some activity after my last p-c meal, well its not like I cant I work with kids, but I always try to be posistive that all is gone. Yes I am loving the p-f combos, they are awesome, and I will be taking some picas and posting maybe this weekend, or early next week as to mark my progress, I want to see how much I can change in this amount of time.
Goldberg said [quote] I didn’t know that only heavyweight Olympia competitors were considered bodybuilders. I thought that guys that were middle weights and light heavy weights were also considered bodybuilders. [/quote]
Alright pick anyone, and it doesn’t matter becuase the same applies. I don’t think, and correct me if I am wrong here J-ROCK, that they are talking about doing a 5 page in-depth article on him for Muscle & Fitness and what his tips are for building an awesome body. What your probably looking at here is a one page advertisement where he will probably have two pictures and two lines. So who needs a IFBB pro to do that? Lee Priest does it and we all think that’s an insult to our intelligence.
I will agree with you if it is an in depth article that using an unknown would be a stretch, but I would have to read the construct of the article to see if it “Fits” or not.
On a more global setting it really doesn’t matter what I or you think anyway. One of our Brothers got a decent break and pissing on his leg doesn’t do anyone any good.
I wish we could edit the title from Phot Shoot Q to Photo Shoot Q. I would feel much better about this thread that way. Phatman you have again missed my point. Im not talking about some IFBB pro. Im just talking about any wanna be bodybuilder. Hell there are twenty in my town alone. They all know how to get ready for photo shoots, contests, etc. Why get someone who doesnt know that and risk wasting money on bad pictures, bad advertisement, etc? By the same token, you wouldnt hire some guy to build your house just because he built a shed in his backyard when there are actual house builders looking for work. just my fifty cents.
G-Berg, if they get a pro, they pay $1000s, if they use this guy, maybe a couple hundred.
Phatman, thanks for getting my back there man as always it is appreciated when I hear someone with some good logic, and you hit the nail on the head man, there is no article being done, just a little footage to make some people happy.
Goldberg, my man you are awesome, I love your persistence, and good call on the spelling, I must have been so excited I really forgot to check it. Bro check it out, I am going to try and post some pics of myself right now sometime this weekend or early next week, and I want you to tell me if they are junky, then I will post the pics from when I do this shoot, and again I want you to tell me if they are junky. I know that as of right now I could do the shoot, and have no problem, as I am confidfent in the way I currnently look, and I am sure the company would be more than happy to stick a pic of my current body next to one of my old body. But see just doing that is not good enough for me, if I am going to be on TV, or in a magazine, bro I want to look the best I can, I want to be ripped up, freakily, this is a challenge to me, and I am loving it, like I stated earlier just taking my body to the next level is more than enough satisacion for me, and being payed to do it, is even better. So bro I guess what I am trying to say is man I am just an ordinary guy seeking unordinary results with a little help from some friends, and just so you know I do know how to diet, as I have done it before, but why not use this forum and all of the great minds in it, if they are at our disposal, I mean that is why we are here right, just for you man I am going to post a pic right now, of when I dieted down in October, you tell me bro if I dont know how to do it kay.
I’m not missing your point, I understand what you are saying, I just think your wrong is all.
You are comparing apples to oranges when you talk about shed builders and house builders. The main reading and spending public, of these publications, are not body builders. They are avg people looking to improve their bodies to a point. Most cannot relate to a picture of a person changing from 8% to 5% body fat, they just don’t see it. A picture of a person changing from 18% to 10% will grab their attention a whole lot more.
I guess we will have to agree to disagree because the only person who could answer your question as to why the would pick J-ROCK would be the editors themselves.
Timbo, I was wondering what to do for non training days, I know you would really like to see my go with just two p-c meals, but would a nice size salad be okay for a p-c meal, should I choose to still do three? If I do choose to go with the four p-f’s would that then mean it would be okay to do two meals of the cashew butter and GROW surprise? And my man, during the depletion shouldnt I be keeping the fats low, opting to double the lean protein sources to make up the calories? This is how I depleted last time, and it seemed to work pretty good.
J, on days off from training, just consume you protein and carb meals first, then switch to protein and fat.
The big salad meal would actually serve nicely in the transition from P/C to P/F. So, that’s fine.
And, yep, you’re more than welcome to get in more cashew butter, so long as you’re getting 1-2 tbsp of flax oil and/or salmon.
Let’s hold off on the depletion for now. I wouldn’t want you getting pissed off at me yet:-) But, I don’t think it will be necessary to cut all fats. We’ll shoot for a higher protein intake (at least 2g/lb), but we still need to keep kcals up to a decent level.
Keep up the outstanding work and positive attitude!
sounds good, judging by my own tightness, I would say that a depletion and carb up will be all I need to look nice and fully ripped, I would really like to know when exactly I am going to be doing this, as not knwoing an exact date makes it pretty tough. Especially cause man these intense hungers are driving me nuts at night, I have done awesome for about a week now, until last night, while watching a family friends house, I saw that they had some mixed nuts, which I am very fond of, so I decided to snack on a couple, needless to say that couple turned in to quite a few, and eventually I decided to make a shake with some mixed nuts and cashew butter, it was pretty awesome, and I thuroughly enjoyed it, I know that by the amounts I put it, it was probably an extra 1000 cals or so, but it gave me a new idea to make shakes before bed, they are more filling and just might be what I need o quenh that intense hunger, wether it be mental or physical. Well that is about it bro’s, hey quick question, I noticed that when I have over done it on carbs I wake up holding a lot of water, which is no doubt due to the water molecule which is connected to the carbo, but when I overdue it on fat, I wake up tight and full, I can feel a little layer, but nothing nearly as comparable to that of a carb overdose, why is this?
J-Bird, you should not be hungry or famished at all, bro. This again tells me that you’re undereating way too much.
You and I both know that you’re shredded to the gills. It’s just going to be a matter of doing some tricks those few days before and executing up to that point.
I imagine that now is probably not the right time to bump up kcals significantly due to your own hesitancy, but as soon as this is through, J-Bird, we really need to continue to push the envelope and maximize your metabolism. You’re a lean freak and all your body is going to do is burn that up like a furnace!
Good question about the tightness and fullness, J-Bird! With the carbs, it could have something to do with the amount of water you’re drinking. Also, if you’re taking in a big chunk of fiber, as well, it’s going to sit around in your GI tract for a while and attract water to it there.
In addition, you may have glycogen, but not fat, stores topped off in the muscle. Your body has a pretty decent capacity to store intramuscular triglyceride (IMTG), also. So, if you’re depleted in IMTG stores, then repleting them would lead to some pretty nice muscular fullness.
janderstein, did you ever get the chance to have the pics taken? If so, how did it go?
Man, where on earth was I during this thread? Oh yeah, getting married and enjoying my honeymoon.
Anyway, I wish I could have offered some help along the way (since I don’t exactly agree entirely with Timbo’s approach). Not saying it can’t work though, just that for many, it’s a gamble.
But more importantly, how did you do J?
WEll bro I still am waiting on the company to get there stuff together, so it should be about two weeks tops. I am currently eating 3p-c meals followed by p-f meals, I am experiencing gret results, and with the addistion of a new training partner, I am in one of the best shapes of my life. I am curious what do you disagree with Timbo on? I am very confident in his advice, as he has never steared me off path, but I am always up to hear opinions of others.
J-Bird, I wait with great anticipation–as I’m sure you do as well–to discover both the date of your shoot and to see the awesome results that you will display.
Thunder, since this thread had its roots implanted so long ago, I’m not certain which of my suggestions steered off your path. I actually had only the best intentions of mimicking your own guidance (originally).
J-Bird and I have had great contact for some time now, I feel that I have a pretty decent handle on his nutritional habits and what seems to work well for him. I’m sure that you’ve seen J’s photos. My boy’s absolutely shredded to the gills. That’s why I feel that he need not go a low-carb route at this point, and he needs to focus on getting adequate caloric intake to preserve and/or build muscle prior to the shoot.
I suggested a three-day carb-up prior to the shoot. The two days before the carb-up would be zero-carb days coupled with training. The training on these days would split the body in two. The day after these two days would mark the first day of the carb-up. Prior to the carb-up, J would perform a full-body glycogen-depletion workout, characterized by circuit-style training for all bodyparts.
The goal for carbohydrate on the first day is 10g/kg of LBM, comprising 70% of total kcals. The goal for carbohydrate on the second day is 6-8g/kg of LBM, comprising 60% of total kcals. On these two days, the remaining kcals are split evenly (i.e. percentage-wise) amongst protein and fat (i.e. 15% and 20% each, respectively). No training is performed on the second or third carb-up day. A low-intensity morning cardio session is optional.
Whoa TImbo my brotha that sounds exciting, now I am about to het on the horn and find out whats up for sure with this cat and his compnay. Thanks a lot my good friend, and keep up the excellent work!