Personal Training Studio


hi guys - ive lurked on T-Nation since day one - love all the stuff on here and although im a personal trainer in ireland i love the rants and articles on here about PT’s ! classic

ok - my point…

i work in a gym in ireland where all the other trainers take clients out for runs , have them doing cable shit , bouncing swiss ball around gym like basketball etc etc

i want to start up my own studio with handpicked trainers all from a strength / performance or aesthetic background

id love my own studio with area for mixed martial arts , small climbing wall for fun and testing clients differently and pretty much everything else being strength stuff so that i can continue the sort of workouts i do with clients now ie squats, deads, dips , chins and all those other goodies without numpties getting in the way

i dont do cardio with clients so gym wouldnt be wasting money on any of that - just power, strength , free weight equipment

anyone got any hints tips ? seen mention of one or two that own a studio - any advice ?

states and austrailia are way ahead of the uk but i feel there is a niche market here and i have potential backing from a client but id like to work on the idea then draw up business plan

thanks for any help

arsey

oh , ive included some pics - one of me skinny and one of me puting weight back on after a comp

bulking up again

(about 80 odd kg here whereas i had been in the 90s

anyone ???

no input at all for the arsemeister ??

You gotta wait for everyone to wake up

I would recommend doing a lot of research on your potential clientele (your area). Is their a market for that type of training or will most want the fast food type personal-therapist-trainer type of work.

I did personal training for a brief period of time and we had power racks in our studio. I had my clients who were about age forty up to sixty doing light squats, deads, presses, dips, rows, and chins. They would get their moneys worth in that forty minutes.

Also, seeing you are from Ireland your first picture reminds me of an early U2 album cover.

Best of luck in your venture,

D

cheers for replies - didnt even think in terms of time diference so big doh there

im looking to set up in irelands money area and have a studio which doesnt charge membership - just pay as u go PT

means people in nearby big chains could workout with me and use their own club at no additional cost

for people that dont train unless im with them it will work out cheaper

ive researched general location (of the one pt studio i know of in ireland i would be pretty close to it - its been there years)

think the market is there - been trying to workout average disposable income , free time etc etc in area

want to end up with exclusive club - results based PT’s rather than balance ball numpties doing nothing for people

I know several people who struggle on a pay-as-you-go basis, especially in holiday periods.
As you are setting up in a rich area, & definitely have so much to offer, I think you should make the most of your exclusive services & charge for it with membership fees/retainers. People will pay for top quality trainers, services, & image.
Best wishes & much success!

[quote]olliedog wrote:
I know several people who struggle on a pay-as-you-go basis, especially in holiday periods.
As you are setting up in a rich area, & definitely have so much to offer, I think you should make the most of your exclusive services & charge for it with membership fees/retainers. People will pay for top quality trainers, services, & image.
Best wishes & much success![/quote]

yeah - thinking of even big joining fee and small monthly thing ?

as u say the clients wont mind paying extra for status of being member etc etc

thats why it would be cool if someone already doing it could help me out

thanks mate

I’m in the process of setting mine up now.

I’ve selected one in the next suburb over from me. It’s an affluent area and within walking distance to where I will be living so I’ll save money on fuel. It’s behind a row of shops, so there’s parking and I get some walk by business but not every one can look in and see what I’m doing unless they specifically come down.

I think the most important thing is to be somewhere you won’t mind working out of everyday where your targeted demographic live. Ie: middle aged people with disposable income.

I got my equipment from a gym I used to go to that went bankrupt. From them I’ve bought 1)squat rack, 2)variable bench, 3)Seated row/lat pulldown, 4)2 olympic bars 5)DBs from 1.25 - 30kgs. 6)leg prss, 7)treadmill, 8)x-trainer & 9)400kgs of olympic plates.

I already have swiss balls, boxing gear and adj DBs that fit olympic plates along with 60kgs of olympic plates.

I’m curious as to why you don’t do cardio at all. I find the machines invaluable whether for doing light recovery work in between heavy sets or in doing interval work to reduce fat. This is everything I need. I would love a power rack but the squat rack will suffice, and would love a cable X-over and some calf machines but it’s just not economical.

The shop I’m renting is 13.5k a year plus outgoings. It’s been empty for a year now, which means they’ll be pretty keen to get someone in so I’m offering 12k a year with 2months rent free OR they carpet it for me. I’m only going to sign a 1 year lease with an option to extend. They want 2 years but unless there’s a good escape clause I’m not biting. I don’t think I’ll go out of business, but it’s my first business and anything’s possible so don’t want to get too committed.

For the shop I need to paint it, floor it and get signage. Lots of signage. Signage will be my biggest expense but it will pay for itself in the long run.

For payment I’m using an eftpos machine from my local bank and I also have a lock up cash box. There are bars on all windows however I’ll still get insurance. Mad not to. Furniture will be some shelves for protein powder, a desk and chair with a laptop and internet connection for those ‘slow times’. I’m hoping to do a deal with Biotest so I can onsell their products.

My fees are going to be $50 a session. $40 if you buy 10 at once. $36 if you buy 20.

The going rate in australia for personal training is between $60 & $80 an hr, so I’m undercutting the competition slightly. If you go too cheap people tend to think your dodgy, but I do think most PT is a rip off for the money. I want to get long term clients who train 2-3 times a week with me. Steady money is my goal. Once I’m working 30hrs a week solid, I’m going to increase my rates as by then I won’t need the business. Current clients will always get their initial rate.

I’m a bit nervous, this is going to cost me at least 20grand to get off the ground and there are no guarantees. But in the time I’ve been where I am now I’ve become the busiest trainer (by far) and get about 1 new client each week by referrals alone. I keep 7/10 clients which is a pretty good strike rate. The big clincher is I’m making $1500 a week for my boss, out of which I’m lucky to see $400 after tax. Why not go out on my own and get to keep $800 after tax, rent and insurance?

That’s my plan.

1)venue - make it look nice, 2)equipment - must be decent, 3)signage and advertising.

You need memberships. A lot of money is made by people who buy one year memberships and never go after one month.

Ideally they will come, but the truth is they get lazy! Plus, studies have shown that people with gym memberships are more likely to work out than people that don’t have them. It seems obvious but what it means is that having spent all that money on a membership, the average guy will be more likely to drag him/herself to the gym.

As for the PT concept. Most people only need a PT to get started and learn about working out. Cater your programs to their needs.

[quote]Natron5000 wrote:
You need memberships. A lot of money is made by people who buy one year memberships and never go after one month. [/quote] Yeah but that only works if you are a gym. Personal studios are not big enough to support more than a few people at one time. Plus most clients like the concept of ‘personal’ training -where they are alone. Waiting to use a bench is not ideal and should never happen.

[quote]Natron5000 wrote:
Ideally they will come, but the truth is they get lazy! [/quote] Fine by me. I don’t want lazy clients and if they cancel with no notice, I still charge full fee. :smiley:

[quote]Natron5000 wrote:
As for the PT concept. Most people only need a PT to get started and learn about working out. Cater your programs to their needs. [/quote]

I really disagree with this. I have many clients who are training with me indefinitely. Those who do want to move on, get taught how to write a program etc but many are flat out not interested. They are happy to pay money because they know they will not workout unless they do so. So the $100 a week they give me is an investment into their own bodies.

These are the clients I’m looking for. They’re not lazy, they work damn hard, but they’re happy to pay me money to ensure they get the best training session they can every time they come. This is what I encourage people to do as (obviously) it’s what pays my bills.

personal opinion from me, i’d attack other gyms around. talk about how the methods they use are not functional and stuff for every day life and down the road, and talk about the dangers of smith machines and how this is all those gyms use, but in your gym it is different, and they will be functional all their lives, and injury free.

that wasn’t said perfectly, but you get teh jist of it. people will like to know that there’s something you do that the others don’t, and when they come in to question you about it all, then you can go into depth about stuff that the other gyms don’t know about, and tehrefore win them over.

[quote]relativelyfunguy wrote:
personal opinion from me, i’d attack other gyms around. talk about how the methods they use are not functional and stuff for every day life and down the road, and talk about the dangers of smith machines and how this is all those gyms use, but in your gym it is different, and they will be functional all their lives, and injury free.

that wasn’t said perfectly, but you get teh jist of it. people will like to know that there’s something you do that the others don’t, and when they come in to question you about it all, then you can go into depth about stuff that the other gyms don’t know about, and tehrefore win them over.[/quote]

the plan is that when people visit my place they speak to pt about how and why we differ - yes like u say - no squatting on smith machine when we have perfect squat rack :slight_smile:

if people are able to walk straight in and just look at gym and make mind up they prob wont be interested as they will be expecting cross trainers and all that shite - id like to speak with each perso as they come in - maybe give some handouts on why weights over steady state cardio etc - how a studio has less disstractions and so on

i was deadlifting last night - getting a few stif leg deads in and my nose literally nearly touched a guy who was squeezing past - our gym is just hectic at the mo as they have special offer on to tie people in for a year (very cheap) - they are panicking about new gym opening soon next door

man was i pissed off but as i train his wife i didnt wanna rant

[quote]
Natron5000 wrote:
As for the PT concept. Most people only need a PT to get started and learn about working out. Cater your programs to their needs.

I really disagree with this. I have many clients who are training with me indefinitely. Those who do want to move on, get taught how to write a program etc but many are flat out not interested. They are happy to pay money because they know they will not workout unless they do so. So the $100 a week they give me is an investment into their own bodies.

These are the clients I’m looking for. They’re not lazy, they work damn hard, but they’re happy to pay me money to ensure they get the best training session they can every time they come. This is what I encourage people to do as (obviously) it’s what pays my bills. [/quote]

yeah - i train beginners but also guys wo know enough but like the motivation and the fact they are booked in with me

one client there has trained years - at 6 foot 4 he benches 190kg and afetr three sessions with me i got a stone on him and inch off his waist - although he has trained years he likes how i vary things and keep it interesting rather than just the usually sort of back and biceps , chest and triceps routine he would have went for

beginners could use studio to learn techniques etc then apply these in their own commercial gyms when feeling more confident but not everyone moves on just cos they know a few exercises

[quote]Natron5000 wrote:
You need memberships. A lot of money is made by people who buy one year memberships and never go after one month.

Ideally they will come, but the truth is they get lazy! Plus, studies have shown that people with gym memberships are more likely to work out than people that don’t have them. …
[/quote]

i agree but would also like the fact that people dont feel tied down and could be member of one gym and use my services to help build confidence , work on technique etc etc

when they realise they arent being tied down with memberships they may be more interested to start in the first place - then when i get them looking buff and feeling good they will be clients for life

im not sure which way to attack it -

some good replies so far so thanks guys - appreciate it

I’d like to own my own gym one of these days. How would I get started if I wanted one in say, 10 years from now?

[quote]StevenF wrote:
I’d like to own my own gym one of these days. How would I get started if I wanted one in say, 10 years from now? [/quote]

the problem with having your own gym is competeting with the big hitters (likes of fitness first etc in the uk)

u need a ‘usp’ which is your unique selling point - for me its being an exclusive club - no randoms walking in - training by appointment only

my old gym does well because it is old school hardcore bodybuilding and being one of only few left it gets a good crowd

other places may be gay only or powerlifting orientated - to be just another gym isnt wise - big risk venture

Guys,

We’re going through this process right now, and one of the single-most important thing you need to remember is that WHAT you know really doesn’t mean s**t early-on. I can write all the articles in the world, but in the grand scheme of things, the average person is nothing more than a casual observer to exercise physiology. That is, they won’t be searching out my stuff, and they really won’t know the difference between any other trainer and I UNLESS I create value in their eyes. With that said, you need to read a TON about business if you want to be successful in getting this started. Results will ultimately generated referrals, but first, you need to get people in the door in order to even generate results.

I’ve got a lot of great resources listed on my website; definitely check out some of them:

http://www.ericcressey.com/recommendedresources.html

I dont know if teens in Ireland have the same money we do here,but a lot of my friends would like to join a gym,but they couldnt pay every month so they cant.I think you could start a client with the pay-as-you-go and then after some sessions ask if they would like to be a member.I’ve had to sneak quite a few friends into the gym.

[quote]Eric Cressey wrote:
Guys,

We’re going through this process right now, and one of the single-most important thing you need to remember is that WHAT you know really doesn’t mean s**t early-on. I can write all the articles in the world, but in the grand scheme of things, the average person is nothing more than a casual observer to exercise physiology. That is, they won’t be searching out my stuff, and they really won’t know the difference between any other trainer and I UNLESS I create value in their eyes. With that said, you need to read a TON about business if you want to be successful in getting this started. Results will ultimately generated referrals, but first, you need to get people in the door in order to even generate results.

I’ve got a lot of great resources listed on my website; definitely check out some of them:

http://www.ericcressey.com/recommendedresources.html[/quote]

cheers man , thanks for that - cool site