Its just another point of information to make an informed decision from.
For years people who are using have been downplaying the importance of steroids, attributing basically all of their gains to their programming… Which you can buy for the low, low price of $39.99 (until the price goes up AT THE END OF THIS MONTH)! Louis Simmons famously has his “bottle of test and a bench shirt in the locker room that haven’t benched a single pound yet.” Obviously his point is that you still have to train, and train intelligently, but it turns out that JUST using that Test does in fact do something, quite significant actually.
People who are natural, and young, are very susceptible to this kind of marketing because they train their asses off for years and arent anywhere near where someone who uses is, then they see that Big Guy X has a program out and maybe THATS what he is doing differently that lets him be so big and strong.
The reality is that any training program that isnt completely stupid, executed with enough intensity, is probably just as good as any other. 5/3/1, Cube, CT’s stuff, Waterbury’s stuff, 5x5, Madcow… Its all basically the same. Lift heavy shit in enough volume and voila, results
It turns out that just injecting Test for a few weeks and you can gain 7 pounds of muscle, and when you are training you can gain about 15 in only 10 weeks. If nothing else, that information is certainly interesting… And many of us here just like to talk about this shit because of that very reason.
[quote]Bauber wrote:
I also think it depends on the person. Some people are what I would consider hyper responders to anabolics, some don’t respond well at all and some fall in between. I personally have close friends who take 3-5 times the dosages I do and still struggle to attain size and strength with what I experience on much lower dosages.
PEDs definitely help anyone gaining size and strength just so many other factors in the boat too. Diet, routine, genetics, etc. They are definitely a game changer in many regards especially when you start tossing in GH as well. [/quote]
I think this is a great point. We can name a few past IFBB Pros who were always maintaining that they used much less than the general public seemed to think. The concept of different levels of responsiveness, especially when you’re discussing hormonal based substances, makes a lot of sense.
All the way at the other end of the spectrum of course, are the guys who may take ‘average’ amounts of PEDs (I’m not as well versed as some in this topic, but I think you get what I mean), but combined with their lack of quality nutrition, and training protocols, it’s possible no one would even suspect their usage. Hence the fail safe argument to the old “If I took as much as Ronnie Coleman, I’d be Mr. Olympia too” line of BS -lol.
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Don’t know much about juicin’, and have no way to verify the validity of it, but read what was supposedly the late Andreas Munzer’s cycle right before he died and it was basically an entire pharmacies worth per week. Blew my mind.
I think steroids really help water to enter the muscle.
You meet people at the gym and talk and eavesdrop
I overheard a mate telling another dude that since he had been using he had been getting really bad cramps. I told him to drink at least 5 liters of water a day and eat a couple bananas .
I saw him in town a month later and he had grown huge and he told me he drinks close to 10 liters of water.
One of my mates got up to 105kg naturally on about 5’9
He told me he drinks a minimum of 10 liters a day and if he eats under 500g of carbs a day his strength plummets
Now he is using gear and his strength actually dropped. I asked him if he still ate the same and drank the same
He said he eats less carbs and finds it hard to drink as much water because he is eating more meat.
Since he went back to more water and more carbs his strength is a joke.
I just noticed that people who use aas and are bulking usually have a really bloated face even if they have abs
Kinda surprised no one has seen these studies. They are the most famous and really only of their kind. Anyone who has done any research should of run into it.
Too the magic pill comment. False. I’ve seen way to many that are dyel and on. And have been on for a while. Magic nope. Make up for lack of a brain nope. Synergistic with proper training diet and work ethic. Yep
[quote]Liam M wrote:
I think steroids really help water to enter the muscle.
You meet people at the gym and talk and eavesdrop
I overheard a mate telling another dude that since he had been using he had been getting really bad cramps. I told him to drink at least 5 liters of water a day and eat a couple bananas .
I saw him in town a month later and he had grown huge and he told me he drinks close to 10 liters of water.
[quote]Liam M wrote:
I think steroids really help water to enter the muscle.
You meet people at the gym and talk and eavesdrop
I overheard a mate telling another dude that since he had been using he had been getting really bad cramps. I told him to drink at least 5 liters of water a day and eat a couple bananas .
I saw him in town a month later and he had grown huge and he told me he drinks close to 10 liters of water.
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Let me stop you on the water. It’s Bullshit.
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What do you think is the purpose of people carb loading?
I don’t understand the need for sarcasm.
Creatine is apparently the only supplement that works and it’s a water manipulator.
Bodybuilders talk about the pump like its the holy grail and its a build up of fluid
I have looked at some steroid forums and the guys on there say to use the bloat to your advantage as it will make you stronger.
My thinking is that steroids increase protein breakdown rate from food and then help steal transporters such as fluid from say organs (kidney problems) and really push those aminos into muscle tissue. Therefore creating a bloated affect by constantly sending fluid when generally it wouldn’t be needed.
Isn’t the rage at the moment the stretch causes muscle growth like DC training?
I strongly doubt that training for an hour and doing a couple minutes stretch will do much if anything. How ever having the muscle constantly stretch from a combination of inflammation and fluid volume could be what causes growth.
[quote]Liam M wrote:
I don’t understand the need for sarcasm.
Creatine is apparently the only supplement that works and it’s a water manipulator.
Bodybuilders talk about the pump like its the holy grail and its a build up of fluid
I have looked at some steroid forums and the guys on there say to use the bloat to your advantage as it will make you stronger.
My thinking is that steroids increase protein breakdown rate from food and then help steal transporters such as fluid from say organs (kidney problems) and really push those aminos into muscle tissue. Therefore creating a bloated affect by constantly sending fluid when generally it wouldn’t be needed.
Isn’t the rage at the moment the stretch causes muscle growth like DC training?
I strongly doubt that training for an hour and doing a couple minutes stretch will do much if anything. How ever having the muscle constantly stretch from a combination of inflammation and fluid volume could be what causes growth. [/quote]
The bloat is water retention from estrogen (or deca but whatever). It usually increases strength just because you weigh more, you have a larger base to press from, improved leverages and whatnot. Also helps cushion and lubricate your joints. It does not steal water from your kidneys. It also does not affect the rate of food breakdown in your stomach. It does help promote a positive nitrogen balance and encourages protein synthesis.
Do a small amount of research and you will find the actual mechanisms of how AAS really work.
[quote]Liam M wrote:
I think steroids really help water to enter the muscle.
You meet people at the gym and talk and eavesdrop
I overheard a mate telling another dude that since he had been using he had been getting really bad cramps. I told him to drink at least 5 liters of water a day and eat a couple bananas .
I saw him in town a month later and he had grown huge and he told me he drinks close to 10 liters of water.
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Let me stop you on the water. It’s Bullshit.
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What do you think is the purpose of people carb loading? [/quote]
Depending on who you ask, two bananas and some water.