Pch2's Adventures

[quote]Westclock wrote:

Its hard to get someone to roll with because they are uncomfortable touching you in that manner, its too similar to a rape situation and that makes men EXTREMELY nervous.

Its not that they don’t WANT to touch you, they just dont want to touch you like that. And they dont want to have to hold back for fear of hurting you, they’d rather have another guy about their size who can take a pretty serious beating and just laugh it off.

But I didnt want her to do anything she didnt actual want to do, and I didnt want to be seen as allowing it to happen either, because Im a good guy and not a sexual predator.

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Spot on post especially the top two paragraphs above.

Westclock your a stand up guy, that is just a weird situation to be in. That girl on the bus was way too lax in public(maybe she was exhausted?).

I have to admit though i do like play fighting with a GF, that is pretty erotic.

I have rolling experience with attractive women. I have not had to worry about things popping up so to speak.

Two reasons:

  1. I am wanting to focus on the training, not trying to find a date or a rub out fantasy. In other words, which comes first, training or helping your social structure. In my case, it is easy. Now with that being said, see number 2

  2. Nor do I personalize these women by trying to know them outside of class. If I become familiar with them outside of class, become associates and then friends, then that conceivably might cause some issues. If I keep them away from the front of the brain…I am better off. One time I showed some female friends what I was learning in class and that became difficult towards the end. Fortunately, for me my wife thought it was hot. I am a lucky sob.

Reasons other guys may not want to roll with women:
1)They suffer from Knight syndrome aka as prince charming and can’t function in a reality that doesn’t work that way.

2)Afraid of a weight mismatch and hurting the female; watch if they roll with guys close to your weight class.

3)Lack of maturity or socially stunted. In which case they are afraid of being ‘found’ out or losing to the lady because they were thinking of “dead puppies” during the training.

4)Afraid of getting owned by a girl - self esteem issues.

As my daughter is learning an integrated combative system, (our sensei’s way of saying mixed martial art and getting it sold to the parents), she is learning ‘some’ grappling. But as she gets older, there will be less emphasis on pound portion of her training and more ground. So reading pch’s log is an investment in trying to figure out what my daughter might be going through in the future.

[quote]downwardog wrote:
I, for one, was definitely aroused while rolling with pch2.[/quote]

How you doin’?

[quote]Shire wrote:
Westclock wrote:

Its hard to get someone to roll with because they are uncomfortable touching you in that manner, its too similar to a rape situation and that makes men EXTREMELY nervous.

Its not that they don’t WANT to touch you, they just dont want to touch you like that. And they dont want to have to hold back for fear of hurting you, they’d rather have another guy about their size who can take a pretty serious beating and just laugh it off.

But I didnt want her to do anything she didnt actual want to do, and I didnt want to be seen as allowing it to happen either, because Im a good guy and not a sexual predator.

Spot on post especially the top two paragraphs above.

Westclock your a stand up guy, that is just a weird situation to be in though. That girl on the bus was way to lax in public.

I have to say though i do like playing fighting with a GF, that is pretty erotic.
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Well it was like a 5 hour bus ride, and my shoulders are pretty wide so I was technically taking up some of her seat’s space.

We had talked for a while, so I wasn’t a complete stranger

And I was asleep before her, I actually woke up to find her sleeping on my shoulder, she could have shifted in her sleep and ended up on me, I cant be sure.

Besides if your a pretty girl sitting next to an big jockish boy I think its assumed you can lay on his shoulder and hes not going to mind.

Weirdest “waking up with a girl on you” story I have is actually me passed out on a couch and waking to find some little freshman girl curled up on top of my chest using my jacket for a blanket.

Apparently she was sleeping on one of the chairs and woke up during the night really cold, so she just stumbled over to get my jacket as a blanket and ended up just laying on top of me, as I was warm.

Im going to assume she was a little too drunk to think that through all the way, the girl I was dating at the time saw a picture someone took while we were both asleep, and was not very happy with me.

I insisted I was taken advantage of by the 110 pound girl who was 2 years younger than me and that nothing happened, she didnt quite buy it, even though it was true.

[quote]ComixGuy wrote:
I have rolling experience with attractive women. I have not had to worry about things popping up so to speak.

Two reasons:

  1. I am wanting to focus on the training, not trying to find a date or a rub out fantasy. In other words, which comes first, training or helping your social structure. In my case, it is easy. Now with that being said, see number 2

  2. Nor do I personalize these women by trying to know them outside of class. If I become familiar with them outside of class, become associates and then friends, then that conceivably might cause some issues. If I keep them away from the front of the brain…I am better off. One time I showed some female friends what I was learning in class and that became difficult towards the end. Fortunately, for me my wife thought it was hot. I am a lucky sob.

Reasons other guys may not want to roll with women:
1)They suffer from Knight syndrome aka as prince charming and can’t function in a reality that doesn’t work that way.

2)Afraid of a weight mismatch and hurting the female; watch if they roll with guys close to your weight class.

3)Lack of maturity or socially stunted. In which case they are afraid of being ‘found’ out or losing to the lady because they were thinking of “dead puppies” during the training.

4)Afraid of getting owned by a girl - self esteem issues.

As my daughter is learning an integrated combative system, (our sensei’s way of saying mixed martial art and getting it sold to the parents), she is learning ‘some’ grappling. But as she gets older, there will be less emphasis on pound portion of her training and more ground. So reading pch’s log is an investment in trying to figure out what my daughter might be going through in the future.
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WTF?

Most virile men will get a hard on when the wind blows in their direction.

It never entered my mind that i would “get owned” by a woman, that wouldn’t bother me.

In fact the lineage holder of my Silat school is a woman of 77yrs(who looks 50 but fights better than anyone i’ve seen and i’ve seen some excellent fighters!). She could easily beat me in a fight. Even her number one disciple in the UK admits(happily and proudly) that he has no chance against our teacher.

You gots to chill.

[quote]Westclock wrote:
Shire wrote:
Westclock wrote:

Im going to assume she was a little too drunk to think that through all the way, the girl I was dating at the time saw a picture someone took while we were both asleep, and was not very happy with me.

I insisted I was taken advantage of by the 110 pound girl who was 2 years younger than me and that nothing happened, she didnt quite buy it, even though it was true.

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Funny stuff, i’ve had women fall asleep and decide to put their heads on my shoulder too(when flying). But i never had a hand slip on my crotch, what a weird and uncomfortable situation.

Maybe one of you should start a sleeping on strangers thread, since it’s not an adventure I’ve had?

I also think it’s kinda funny that you’re so willing to dismiss the input from the only guy that’s actually fought with women.

[quote]pch2 wrote:
Maybe one of you should start a sleeping on strangers thread, since it’s not an adventure I’ve had?

I also think it’s kinda funny that you’re so willing to dismiss the input from the only guy that’s actually fought with women. [/quote]

Yes we do seem to be taking your thread off topic a bit. My apologies.

And I would not dismiss his comments at all, I very much agree with a majority of what he said under many circumstances. I’m simply stating that guys like to touch girls.

Big surprise right ?

[quote]Shire wrote:
ComixGuy wrote:
I have rolling experience with attractive women. I have not had to worry about things popping up so to speak.

Two reasons:

  1. I am wanting to focus on the training, not trying to find a date or a rub out fantasy. In other words, which comes first, training or helping your social structure. In my case, it is easy. Now with that being said, see number 2

  2. Nor do I personalize these women by trying to know them outside of class. If I become familiar with them outside of class, become associates and then friends, then that conceivably might cause some issues. If I keep them away from the front of the brain…I am better off. One time I showed some female friends what I was learning in class and that became difficult towards the end. Fortunately, for me my wife thought it was hot. I am a lucky sob.

Reasons other guys may not want to roll with women:
1)They suffer from Knight syndrome aka as prince charming and can’t function in a reality that doesn’t work that way.

2)Afraid of a weight mismatch and hurting the female; watch if they roll with guys close to your weight class.

3)Lack of maturity or socially stunted. In which case they are afraid of being ‘found’ out or losing to the lady because they were thinking of “dead puppies” during the training.

4)Afraid of getting owned by a girl - self esteem issues.

As my daughter is learning an integrated combative system, (our sensei’s way of saying mixed martial art and getting it sold to the parents), she is learning ‘some’ grappling. But as she gets older, there will be less emphasis on pound portion of her training and more ground. So reading pch’s log is an investment in trying to figure out what my daughter might be going through in the future.

WTF?

Most virile men will get a hard on when the wind blows in their direction.

It never entered my mind that i would “get owned” by a woman, that wouldn’t bother me.

In fact the lineage holder of my Silat school is a woman of 77yrs(who looks 50 but fights better than anyone i’ve seen and i’ve seen some excellent fighters!). She could easily beat me in a fight. Even her number one disciple in the UK admits(happily and proudly) that he has no chance against our teacher.

You gots to chill.[/quote]

No chillin necessary. If my writing was not clear, I am happy to take this opportunity to explain.
I said reasons ‘OTHER’ guys ‘MAY’ not want to, not me.

The first two reasons I listed are why I am able to roll with women in training without having wood issues…mainly because it is training.

The other 4 are reasons that I have heard from others as to why they won’t or don’t like to.

I have no problem getting owned by a female in my training. I am more upset at myself for getting bested than what gender does the besting. But I know other guys (usually the newer ones to training) who have problems with that. I have no ego on the mat when it comes to gender.

Regarding your lineage holder: I am happy that you have someone readily available to you of that skillset and level. And happy that you obviously value it.

As far as your virility observation…popping wood during training is to me a lack of control, not a sign of virility. For the record, I have found women appreciate a man who is in control of his unit and not the otherway around. Not trying to diss, just pointing out flipside of your comment and its repercussions.

And yes, playful wrestling with female friends does give me wood, which is the point. But that is a different focus than training…a lot different.

Sorry for the hijack, pch.

[quote]pch2 wrote:
I also think it’s kinda funny that you’re so willing to dismiss the input from the only guy that’s actually fought with women. [/quote]

You suprise me. Re-read his post, he basically say’s that most guys must have some kind of immaturity issues going on.

Its a grossly inadequate blanket statement. A lot of men are geared physically to arousal while women are for the most part a different animal all together.

Him being a man he should know that.

Anyway i couldn’t care less.

Edit: Sorry for the hijack.

Comixguy, hey i’m young what can i say, i have a lot to learn -including controlling myself :wink:

You seem like a level headed chap.

[quote]pch2 wrote:

I don’t see how rolling is harder than trading kicks and punches. I think getting hit takes more guts. Today in class he asked if anyone had never been punched, I’m the only one that raised my hand.
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Getting hit sucks, it’s quick and painful :-p My coach hit me in the jaw accidentally with a Thai mitt, saw stars for ther rest of class. Look at it this way, if you’re standing and trading punches, you can always run away when the going gets tough…

Now being pinned on your back, that’s a whole different story…that spells total helpessness for me. I think that’s why I’ve never tried BJJ, even though I’m dying to try it.

[quote]skyel7 wrote:
I think that’s why I’ve never tried BJJ, even though I’m dying to try it.[/quote]

Try it! Try it!


:-H
There are no other girls who take BJJ at my gym

[quote]skyel7 wrote:
There are no other girls who take BJJ at my gym
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so do like pch2 and get in there and provoke the boys!

[quote]pch2 wrote:
ShaneM686 wrote:
Kinda off topic, but…

Pch2, you kick a whole lotta ass on many different levels. I’ve hopped and skipped through this thread and the Pretty dirty things one and I must say… I wish I knew you in real life.

Lol, thanks. You’re in Ohio, if you’re ever in Cleveland you should come to a BJJ class.
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My home town is 25-30 mins NE of Cleveland(Geauga county). I’ll be home in about… 7 hours after I take care of a few things here. I’ll be home for Thanksgiving for a few days.
I’m a graduating senior at Ohio State right now.

P.S. How did you know that I am from ohio:?

[quote]skyel7 wrote:
Now being pinned on your back, that’s a whole different story…that spells total helpessness for me. I think that’s why I’ve never tried BJJ, even though I’m dying to try it.
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But that’s the whole reason to do BJJ. So that you’re not totally helpless on your back. No one is going to expect you to magically know what’s going on, don’t think you have to know anything to go to a class. Try it!

[quote]downwardog wrote:
skyel7 wrote:
There are no other girls who take BJJ at my gym

so do like pch2 and get in there and provoke the boys!

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Yup, being the only girl is no excuse. You know, there are times when I don’t see another female for days. If that were a valid excuse, nothing in my life would be happening.

[quote]pch2 wrote:
skyel7 wrote:
Now being pinned on your back, that’s a whole different story…that spells total helpessness for me. I think that’s why I’ve never tried BJJ, even though I’m dying to try it.

But that’s the whole reason to do BJJ. So that you’re not totally helpless on your back. No one is going to expect you to magically know what’s going on, don’t think you have to know anything to go to a class. Try it!

downwardog wrote:
skyel7 wrote:
There are no other girls who take BJJ at my gym

so do like pch2 and get in there and provoke the boys!

Yup, being the only girl is no excuse. You know, there are times when I don’t see another female for days. If that were a valid excuse, nothing in my life would be happening. [/quote]

That’s the thing, everyone ‘over there’ seems to know what’s going on…I hate being the only one having ‘ummm… what?’ moments…sheesh!!
Oh well, I guess I’ll try it. I’ll keep you posted.

[quote]skyel7 wrote:
That’s the thing, everyone ‘over there’ seems to know what’s going on…I hate being the only one having ‘ummm… what?’ moments…sheesh!!
Oh well, I guess I’ll try it. I’ll keep you posted.
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Oh please, there’s no way you’ll be the only one having those moments. It could be a room full of black belts, and still some of them are going to be having ‘What?’ moments. It’s all part of the learning process. Venture over (they’re not allowed to bite) and then let us know how it goes!

[quote]skyel7 wrote:

That’s the thing, everyone ‘over there’ seems to know what’s going on…I hate being the only one having ‘ummm… what?’ moments…sheesh!![/quote]

Umm, I was very slow and confused and hesitant in the beginning. What happened was that the instructors and other students were so supportive and patient that I got over all the anxiety I had that was muddling my attention. Healing jitsu medicine!

There is another girl who I’ve heard was the total worst in the beginning years: crying mess in class, insisting she couldn’t get the moves, couldn’t do it, couldn’t do it…required all kinds of reassurance and bucking up. She’s Jen, ferocious world class brown belt. World’s bronze medalist this year. Romper stomper.

Edit: She was a new black belt this year and at the World’s, because of the lack of available female competitors, the brown belt women compete against both brown belts AND black belts. Doesn’t seem fair, does it? Anyway, she lost to a tough black belt.

You two won’t go down without a fight, no pun intended. I’ll keep you posted on how it goes…in the new year(I’m kidding!!! I’ll get to it right after thanksgiving).