Airtruth: you made some valid points but you are confusing bodybuilding (that is a competitive sport) and weight training… Just because someone gained strength and size by weight training dont mean he did bodybuilding.
[quote]Sagat wrote:
One point most seem miss is: getting stronger lifting weights increase performance.
Do you really think that if you increase 100lbs your squat and bench, it will make some difference for your punching power if you trained them in the chest and in the leg day, in the upper and lower days, or did both in a full body workout?
Now, i question how useful is for a fighter do cable crossovers and flies after the bench press, but if he still gets stronger in the core lifts, the worst can happen is that he wastes some of his time, but he will not magically perform worse because he stepped in the bodybuilding zone…[/quote]
Huh?
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Sagat wrote:
One point most seem miss is: getting stronger lifting weights increase performance.
Do you really think that if you increase 100lbs your squat and bench, it will make some difference for your punching power if you trained them in the chest and in the leg day, in the upper and lower days, or did both in a full body workout?
Now, i question how useful is for a fighter do cable crossovers and flies after the bench press, but if he still gets stronger in the core lifts, the worst can happen is that he wastes some of his time, but he will not magically perform worse because he stepped in the bodybuilding zone…
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Just saying that if you improve 100lbs your squat and bench, dont matter if you call it: bodybuilding routine, powerlifting routine, yoga routine… you will hit harder.
And also that extra “bodybuilding style” stuff can sametimes be a waste of time for your goals, but will not make you unfunctional.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Mega Newb wrote:
Bricknyce wrote:
If one were to look through the top powerlifter’s routines, they would see that besides the set and rep schemes for the deadlift, bench press, and squat and their variations, the rest of such routines are nothing but bodybuilding! This is especially true for some of the bench press specialists. They have some sort of scheme (linear or conjugated) for the bench press. Meanwhile they train their legs, arms, and upper back exactly the same as a bodybuilder would.
These are not for bodybuilding purposes. Your body is ment to work as a whole, everything should be strong for best results in any lift.
Its when people dont do these other “bodybuilding” exercises that injurys come in. Lack of chest work = pec tears. Lack of bicep work = bicep tears. Lack of back work means small lifts and imbalanced. Lack of leg work will hold your bench, squat, and deadlift back.
Now when you see a powerlifter doing a exercise to shape his muscles, then you can bitch about bodybuilding. Untill then, its just being the best powerlifter he can be.
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Yeah that was a little fucked up, but Im sure you still got my point.
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
FightinIrish26 wrote:
Do you have any idea of the strength levels that Pavel has? He may be skinny, but he’s strong as shit- go look up his numbers.
Didn’t you just prove my point…No bodybuilder would ask him to train based on how he looks. “I’m not into bodybuilding, I’m lift a 25lb kettlebell a thousand times and martial arts” Thanks for proving my point… Oh yeah he’s strong as shit? I notice you didn’t state any numbers, where did you get your info from the latest Pavel Advertisement?
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How the hell should I know? I told you to look it up slacker. The guy competes in powerlifting, and I do recall a video that was floatin around here of him doing 500 (never weighing more than 190). Pretty impressive.
Ahhhh… how? Waterbury has looked a bit smaller lately since he seems to be doing more MMA stuff, and he seems to be changing over from straight bodybuilding to MMA. How the hell did that prove your point?
What? What? What the fuck kind of retarded inbred piece of shit are you? Can you read?
No dick. Boxers CUT weight, nearly all, of them, to make weight. The average welterweight rehydrates to 15 pounds heavier over night. Mayweather DOES NOT lift weights. At all. If he’s not training for a fight, he does two days of bodyweight exercises, and that’s it. When he’s training for a fight, he does skill specific work along with running nearly 10-12 miles a day.
Floyd is neither the bigger or stronger man in his fights. Castillo is physically a much stronger puncher than Floyd, and DLH is simply a bigger guy with a bigger frame. Not to mention, you aren’t going to get much more “cut” or powerful than Diego Corrales, and Floyd put him down six times.
Hatton, though smaller, is, I’m sure, stronger in the weightroom. Alot of good that did my boy when that check hook came around.
Mayweather fights in all weight classes because he is the one of the best fighters that’s ever stepped in the ring, and has superior genetics and a work ethic to match. Therefore, he can go up in fighting weight more or less at will. However, he doesn’t lift weights, and sure as shit doesn’t follow a bodybuilding routine.
Most boxers do not lift weights. Some, like Holyfield or Hatton, do. Others, like Tyson pre-jail, Muhammud Ali, Rocky Marciano (who had the highest KO % EVER at 88%), Jack Dempsey, and a slew of others, never touched them.
Joe Frazier never touched the weights, and neither do ANY of his fighters- and if you find man with a stronger left hook than Smokin Joe I’ll slam my dick in a door. I don’t recall hearing about RJJ ever lifting either. Where’s Kelly Pavlik’s ridiculous power come from? Sure ain’t those big muscles.
So, no, douchebag, you’re wrong everywhere.
You’re arguing with the wrong fucking guy on this subject.
Prove it. You can’t.
This proves your absolute and unequivocal lack of knowledge about boxing. I regret typing out that explanation I wrote above because I know it will fall on deaf ears- you have no idea what you are talking about in any way.
Weightlifting has nothing to do with the winner of a boxing match. Conditioning and skill rule in the ring… but I bet you’ve never done that either.
If you want to compare the what the “pro” bodybuilders do, it is often long sessions splitting body parts up to invidual days. No athlete will have the time to do this, especially if they are working a job to support themselves as many boxers/MMA fighters are.
Weightlifting is simply a means to an end for a fighter, and not even the MOST important means. You are very confused.
Way to name two linebackers and a defensive end.
Receivers, cornerbacks, and quarterbacks are rarely huge guys. But they are fast, or accurate, or whatever. You are completely missing my point- size is good according to what you do in sports. I’m not saying it’s not good to be big and strong- I know you’re too damn dumb to comprehend what I’m saying, but this is for others reading- but I’m saying oftentimes your skill in a particular sport is more important than your size and strength. Sure, it doesn’t hurt, but being strong is no good if your technique isn’t perfect.
Really? Well, you apparently got the list. Show me the names. And don’t throw me any McGuires.
You know what man, I’m not arguing this with you. Atheletes train way more often for strength and endurance, not aesthetics. The types of programs that you follow to gain the type of strength and endurance necessary are not bodybuilding ones… there’s a reason why the combine has someone benching 225 for reps, and doesn’t measure the size of his pec.
I don’t understand why this is hard to understand: athletes don’t have the time or energy to be in the weightroom devoting a two hour session to curls. It’s neither essential nor logical when they could do squats, deadlifts, and then go out and practice. What part aren’t you getting?
[quote]Sagat wrote:
Airtruth: you made some valid points but you are confusing bodybuilding (that is a competitive sport) and weight training… Just because someone gained strength and size by weight training dont mean he did bodybuilding.[/quote]
That is a big confusion he has.
I advocate weightlifting for any and all, especially any competitive athlete. However, “bodybuilding” per se, will not be the best avenue for this.
Read any article on this site posted by a plethora of authors and it will tell you the same thing.
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