whats ur thougth on these? i would think they’re counter-productive, as ur going beyond failure, knowing that going to failure is bad itself. however, many football players at my school do this and their benches r CRAZY.
They shouldn’t be done all the time, but have their place. Also, it depends on the level of your spotter. If you have for example a ninth grade kid spotting his buddy who has 75 pounds more weight on the bar then he should have and he’s deadlifting it off of him no good.
But, if you have an experienced spotter who finger tips a few pounds of help on the last one or two reps it can help push your muscles to have to adapt to a heavier load. So, at times they can be very beneficial and help bust through plateaus just as negatives can.
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[quote]Dedicated wrote:
But, if you have an experienced spotter who finger tips a few pounds of help on the last one or two reps it can help push your muscles to have to adapt to a heavier load. So, at times they can be very beneficial and help bust through plateaus just as negatives can.
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Good point. So many times I see people in the gym, sometimes trainers even, spot people on every single rep, which is terrible. Spotters do help when maxing though. Lifting is part mental and a spotter can help with your confidence to load up the weight and see what you can really do. Plus keep you from busting your head open.
a spotter is their to help you unrack the weight safely and then to slightly assist you through sticking points in certain lifts, not through out the hole lift. psychologically it helps to have someone over you in case you fail. you will be afraid to push yourself with no spotter plus it is just stupid to train in certain lifts at a very high intensity whether it be max weight or high force developement when fatigue and failure can set in unexpectedly. laters pk
[quote]pkradgreek wrote:
a spotter is their to help you unrack the weight safely and then to slightly assist you through sticking points in certain lifts, not through out the hole lift. psychologically it helps to have someone over you in case you fail. you will be afraid to push yourself with no spotter plus it is just stupid to train in certain lifts at a very high intensity whether it be max weight or high force developement when fatigue and failure can set in unexpectedly. laters pk[/quote]
pk, always spot on solid advice.
Just to touch on what he is saying if one is training to get substantially stronger and is venturing into heavy weight area a spotter is essential.
Just like if one is going to be attempting a 400 pound squat you would have to be crazy or very confident to do this without a squat rack and safety bars in case you give out and the weight crushes you.
Like pk said when you go up in weight with an exercise that can pin you at the least or severly hurt you at most it’s essential to have someone there to assist you if you give out. One is not going to go to failure and give max effort if no one is there help you when strength hits the wall.
If you aren’t going to use max effort your progress will stall. We had this discussion recently where someone lifted alone and was frustrated with their bench numbers.
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[quote]pkradgreek wrote:
you will be afraid to push yourself with no spotter plus it is just stupid to train in certain lifts at a very high intensity whether it be max weight or high force developement when fatigue and failure can set in unexpectedly. laters pk[/quote]
…unless you’re in a properly adjusted power rack. But for the most part, I agree.
This is why I use dbs…easier to drop dbs and roll then it use a bar.Least on bench.The scariest thing i have seen is a guy try to clean 280lbs and his spotter looked at a girl when the guy went for it…i swear his back was arched so much i thought it was gonna snap,I’d have slapped that spotter silly if it was me lifting.
i always squat heavy in the power rack and 95% of the time i workout solo so i have to.
if the power rack is taken by some newb doing curls i either wait a little or bring the steppers over and do stepups for variation. laters pk
[quote]jmwintenn wrote:
This is why I use dbs…easier to drop dbs and roll then it use a bar.Least on bench.The scariest thing i have seen is a guy try to clean 280lbs and his spotter looked at a girl when the guy went for it…i swear his back was arched so much i thought it was gonna snap,I’d have slapped that spotter silly if it was me lifting.[/quote]
If you’re going to monkey with forced reps, then you might as well go whole hog and do negatives. I think Charles Poliquin recommended negatives for a single bodypart for every other workout. You would do negatives then once every ten days… as he prescribes many 2 on, 1 off, 1 on, 1 off splits.
Negatives on a bench is “easy” - get a lot of spotters and focus on lowering the weight under control.
For the squat you’d need some serious pulley action and a full cage to safely lift the bar and protect the lifter. I think the Norwegian ski team did this.
As far as spotting a power clean… Olympic lifts don’t need to be spotted, the athlete just needs to learn/be taught how to dump the weight when he or she won’t make the lift.
so what are the benefits of negatives?
i know ive heard of these before but i still dont get their concept
[quote]B.b. in stress! wrote:
so what are the benefits of negatives?
i know ive heard of these before but i still dont get their concept[/quote]
They get your nerves and stabilizers adapted to the extreme load first in the negative down portion only where you yet don’t have the strength to push it back up.
For instance now that I can hit 315 for reps every so often we will throw in negative such as 340 on the bar and slowly do the negative portion.
This will help once I go for a one rep max on 340 as my body will be somewhat used to that load at least in the negative portion. Much better then just throwing it on never having felt that weight before.
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so to do these when benching, the spotter would have to deadlift the weight back up?
[quote]B.b. in stress! wrote:
so to do these when benching, the spotter would have to deadlift the weight back up?[/quote]
Yes, obviously a spotter or rather spotters is essential. When we do it we have one guy in the middle like a normal spot and then a guy on each side. After the negative portion all three heave the weight quickly back up. We usually do three negatives in a row.
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[quote]Dedicated wrote:
B.b. in stress! wrote:
so to do these when benching, the spotter would have to deadlift the weight back up?
Yes, obviously a spotter or rather spotters is essential. When we do it we have one guy in the middle like a normal spot and then a guy on each side. After the negative portion all three heave the weight quickly back up. We usually do three negatives in a row.
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That’s about it. It can quickly become a world record upright row for the middle spotter.
I would love to see the pulley work necessary to lift a barbell for squatting.