Partial Deads

Training Powerlifting
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[quote]BradTGIF wrote:
Yeah stack some plates underneath. Pulling from the pins is a pain in the ass.

Bar slides around to much, my feet would always get shifty, etc.

Plus, the clanking on the pins while doing reps got irritating to me.[/quote]

not to mention that most bars can’t take that kind of abuse before the are bent and worthless.

i talked the owner of my gym into buying a really good bar for squatting. the sleeves are extra long and rated for more weight. i keep it in the office with the new set of olympic collars. i use it and then put it back in there. i would rip someone’s head off if i saw them doing rack pulls with it.

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When I was doing olympic lifting we would do clean pulls to the knee–pausing above the patella for about 3 seconds–and on the way down focusing on the negative of the lift. It was mainly done to focus on keeping your black flat and shoulders over the bar. Not sure of the carry over for deadlifting.

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[quote]Andrew.Cook wrote:
TYPE2B wrote:
…Everything will raise one’s deadlift as long as he doesn’t create any negative motor habits such as hitching, etc…

As long as your posterior chain, upper back, and grip are getting stronger, you can be rest assured that your DL will go up… assuming that you don’t develop any detrimental motor habits.

Rubbish.

No, not everything will help out, though addressing weaknesses is a good place to start.

Why would hitching not help your deadlift? Obviously it wouldn’t pass for a competition, but why wouldn’t hitching in training be ok? Assuming the OP has no intention of ever competing, why wouldn’t hitching be ok all the time? [/quote]

Because it’s not right, and it looks ugly as hell.

When was the last time you’ve heard of a coach, either a powerlifting coach, olympic weightlifting coach, strongman coach, crossfit coach, and a bodybuilding coach instruct someone to “let the bar rest on your thigh and hitch from there. It’s a technique popularized by a powerlifter who’s addicted to red lights.”

I understand that you’re pissed off from my trolling on other threads, and I’m sorry. Please keep the anger away from my smart comments such as this one…

And as I said, as long as an exercise gets you stronger WITHOUT DEVELOPING WRONG MOTOR HABITS for whatever performance that you want to improve at then go ahead and do it. It should raise your lift as long as it works the same muscles.

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[quote]TYPE2B wrote:
Andrew.Cook wrote:
TYPE2B wrote:
…Everything will raise one’s deadlift as long as he doesn’t create any negative motor habits such as hitching, etc…

As long as your posterior chain, upper back, and grip are getting stronger, you can be rest assured that your DL will go up… assuming that you don’t develop any detrimental motor habits.

Rubbish.

No, not everything will help out, though addressing weaknesses is a good place to start.

Why would hitching not help your deadlift? Obviously it wouldn’t pass for a competition, but why wouldn’t hitching in training be ok? Assuming the OP has no intention of ever competing, why wouldn’t hitching be ok all the time?

Because it’s not right, and it looks ugly as hell.

When was the last time you’ve heard of a coach, either a powerlifting coach, olympic weightlifting coach, strongman coach, crossfit coach, and a bodybuilding coach instruct someone to “let the bar rest on your thigh and hitch from there. It’s a technique popularized by a powerlifter who’s addicted to red lights.”

I understand that you’re pissed off from my trolling on other threads, and I’m sorry. Please keep the anger away from my smart comments such as this one…

And as I said, as long as an exercise gets you stronger WITHOUT DEVELOPING WRONG MOTOR HABITS for whatever performance that you want to improve at then go ahead and do it. It should raise your lift as long as it works the same muscles.[/quote]

Last time I heard an elite level lifter talk about the hitch was last weekend actually. This is from a guy who has an 800lb non-hitched deadlift that has pulled 800 for reps in a SM contest.

Also, it’s stupid to think that “anything that works the same muscles will bring up your deadlift”. I don’t get shit from trap bar deadlifts, light deadlifts, doing reps on the deadlift, etc. And if that was true in the first place, people would just deadlift more and more to bring their deadlift up.

You might be up on a lot of the “right” concepts, but your inexperience shows up in everything you post. You have the potential to eventually be a good coach, but you really need to shut up, listen, and spend some time under the bar. Until then, everything you say will sound like the same regurgitated BS all the other pencilnecks say when trying to tell stronger people what they are doing wrong.

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Heavy deadlifts to knees with an isometric hold smokes my lats. I was skeptical at first, but it works for me.

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[quote]threewhitelights wrote:
TYPE2B wrote:
Andrew.Cook wrote:
TYPE2B wrote:
…Everything will raise one’s deadlift as long as he doesn’t create any negative motor habits such as hitching, etc…

As long as your posterior chain, upper back, and grip are getting stronger, you can be rest assured that your DL will go up… assuming that you don’t develop any detrimental motor habits.

Rubbish.

No, not everything will help out, though addressing weaknesses is a good place to start.

Why would hitching not help your deadlift? Obviously it wouldn’t pass for a competition, but why wouldn’t hitching in training be ok? Assuming the OP has no intention of ever competing, why wouldn’t hitching be ok all the time?

Because it’s not right, and it looks ugly as hell.

When was the last time you’ve heard of a coach, either a powerlifting coach, olympic weightlifting coach, strongman coach, crossfit coach, and a bodybuilding coach instruct someone to “let the bar rest on your thigh and hitch from there. It’s a technique popularized by a powerlifter who’s addicted to red lights.”

I understand that you’re pissed off from my trolling on other threads, and I’m sorry. Please keep the anger away from my smart comments such as this one…

And as I said, as long as an exercise gets you stronger WITHOUT DEVELOPING WRONG MOTOR HABITS for whatever performance that you want to improve at then go ahead and do it. It should raise your lift as long as it works the same muscles.

Last time I heard an elite level lifter talk about the hitch was last weekend actually. This is from a guy who has an 800lb non-hitched deadlift that has pulled 800 for reps in a SM contest.

Also, it’s stupid to think that “anything that works the same muscles will bring up your deadlift”. I don’t get shit from trap bar deadlifts, light deadlifts, doing reps on the deadlift, etc. And if that was true in the first place, people would just deadlift more and more to bring their deadlift up.

You might be up on a lot of the “right” concepts, but your inexperience shows up in everything you post. You have the potential to eventually be a good coach, but you really need to shut up, listen, and spend some time under the bar. Until then, everything you say will sound like the same regurgitated BS all the other pencilnecks say when trying to tell stronger people what they are doing wrong. [/quote]

Thank you for the advice.

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why do deficit deadlifts help the initial pull? its not even part a position in the deadlift.
definitely is harder but doesnt see how it helps.

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Ive never tried this but it seems that it would help as well. Use smaller plates.

For example, if you typically (and Im not saying you do, just an example) use 335lbs as your usual work load using the same range of motion as if the bar was on the floor, use 4 35lb plates on each side (325lbs total)or 5 25lb plates on each side (295lbs) as opposed to 3 45lb plates and 2 10lb plates on each side.

That way you don’t have to mess around with standing on plat forms or plates.

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[quote]dsg wrote:
Ive never tried this but it seems that it would help as well. Use smaller plates.

For example, if you typically (and Im not saying you do, just an example) use 335lbs as your usual work load using the same range of motion as if the bar was on the floor, use 4 35lb plates on each side (325lbs total)or 5 25lb plates on each side (295lbs) as opposed to 3 45lb plates and 2 10lb plates on each side.

That way you don’t have to mess around with standing on plat forms or plates.[/quote]

i dun said that…

i use 35lb plates AND also stand on plates to make the deficit even bigger.

also, someone just asked why deficit pulls can increase your initial pull. if you can train the body to pull from a larger ROM, then a shorter ROM SHOULD be easier for you. Now there are some exceptions. It really depends on what level you are pulling. For me, I like to do elevated deads just below my sticking point. my sticking point on deads is right at knee level. this is the point where the hips need to come forward to complete the lockout. I can pull more weight from the floor than i can from a dead stop at knee level. The reason for that is that i have good speed and power off the floor and momentum will carry me through that sticking point.

The reason I have good speed and power off the floor is because i do a lot of deficit pulls and speed pulls. Also, because i train my weaknesses, I can muscle through sticking points when the momentum slows.

so… a bit of advice to those of you looking to increase your deadlift. do elevated pulls but do them at your sticking point. I know for me that i can do elevated pulls just a couple inches higher (above my knee) and pull almost a grand. This looks cool and make me feel all diesel and all but it doesn’t do much to address my weakpoints.

Know WHY you are doing what you are doing.

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[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
dsg wrote:
Ive never tried this but it seems that it would help as well. Use smaller plates.

For example, if you typically (and Im not saying you do, just an example) use 335lbs as your usual work load using the same range of motion as if the bar was on the floor, use 4 35lb plates on each side (325lbs total)or 5 25lb plates on each side (295lbs) as opposed to 3 45lb plates and 2 10lb plates on each side.

That way you don’t have to mess around with standing on plat forms or plates.

i dun said that…

i use 35lb plates AND also stand on plates to make the deficit even bigger.

also, someone just asked why deficit pulls can increase your initial pull. if you can train the body to pull from a larger ROM, then a shorter ROM SHOULD be easier for you. Now there are some exceptions. It really depends on what level you are pulling. For me, I like to do elevated deads just below my sticking point. my sticking point on deads is right at knee level. this is the point where the hips need to come forward to complete the lockout. I can pull more weight from the floor than i can from a dead stop at knee level. The reason for that is that i have good speed and power off the floor and momentum will carry me through that sticking point.

The reason I have good speed and power off the floor is because i do a lot of deficit pulls and speed pulls. Also, because i train my weaknesses, I can muscle through sticking points when the momentum slows.

so… a bit of advice to those of you looking to increase your deadlift. do elevated pulls but do them at your sticking point. I know for me that i can do elevated pulls just a couple inches higher (above my knee) and pull almost a grand. This looks cool and make me feel all diesel and all but it doesn’t do much to address my weakpoints.

Know WHY you are doing what you are doing.
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Oh sorry, my bad.

I guess thats what I get for not reading all of the posts.