Hi everybody. Do people, when they do multiple reps of deadlifts, lift, lower, and repeat without letting go of the bar? Or do they dead, let go of the bar and basically start over, and do that over and over again until they have finished the desired number or repetitions?
I’m curious what people feel is the best way to do multiple reps for bodybuilding and why. Thanks.
lightest sets, no rest, mid sets take a break without letting go of the bar, just stop and collect for a few seconds. Heaviest sets I let go completely.
I personally like to do them dead style. The reason for this is that I like take another big breath and tighten everything before the lift.
[quote]BFBullpup wrote:
Hi everybody. Do people, when they do multiple reps of deadlifts, lift, lower, and repeat without letting go of the bar? Or do they dead, let go of the bar and basically start over, and do that over and over again until they have finished the desired number or repetitions?
I’m curious what people feel is the best way to do multiple reps for bodybuilding and why. Thanks.[/quote]
I don’t know what is considered best for bodybuilding, but when I dead for reps, I hang on throughout the set. I find that doing it that way makes it easier to stay in good form since my stance, grip, etc. don’t change. More time under load, less time setting up! I’m tall, though, and find maintaining form in the “feet at shoulder width” deadlift the most challenging to begin with.
I, and people I’ve worked out with, don’t let go of the bar, but let the bar stop dead at the bottom to avoid bouncing it.
Remember to use that stop to fix any issues with your stance or form before the next rep.
It makes absolutely no sense to let go of the bar in between repetitions, no matter what your goals are.
Unless the bar is slipping in your hands due to poor grip strength or slippery hands, there is absolutely no reason to waste time letting go and then regripping.
[quote]huey.ot wrote:
It makes absolutely no sense to let go of the bar in between repetitions, no matter what your goals are.
Unless the bar is slipping in your hands due to poor grip strength or slippery hands, there is absolutely no reason to waste time letting go and then regripping.[/quote]
From The Dead Zone by Dave Tate at http://www.T-Nation.com/findArticle.do?article=194dead2:
[b] Mistake #7: Training with multiple reps
Next time you see someone doing multiple reps on the deadlift, take note of the form of each rep. You’ll see the later reps look nothing like the first. In competition you only have to pull once, so you need to learn how to develop what’s known as starting strength for the deadlift. This is the strength needed to get the bar off the floor without an eccentric (negative) action before the start.
In other words, you don’t lower the bar first and then lift the weight as you do with the squat and bench press. When you train with multiple reps you’re beginning to develop reversal strength, which isn’t needed with the deadlift.
These two reasons are enough to keep the deadlift training to singles. If you’re using multiple reps with the deadlift, then stand up in between each rep and restart the lift. This way you’ll be teaching the proper form and be developing the right kind of strength.[/b]
Sitting in the bottom position makes it harder to complete the lift due to your body wanting to explode out right after your drop down, not 10 seconds after.
The only time I’ve ever hurt myself deadlifting has been when I did multiple reps without resetting. I actually hate resetting because of the added time it takes to finish a set, but I feel I have to do it to maintain proper form.
[quote]brushga wrote:
The only time I’ve ever hurt myself deadlifting has been when I did multiple reps without resetting. I actually hate resetting because of the added time it takes to finish a set, but I feel I have to do it to maintain proper form.[/quote]
Same thing happened to me. I’m starting deadlifting again after 2 1/2 years. Of course I could’ve worn a belt, which I am doing now, but I like Tate’s advice of resetting after each lift, even though it takes forever. However, I see everybody else who are deadlifting doing multiple reps nonstop, which led to this post.
[quote]BFBullpup wrote:
However, I see everybody else who are deadlifting doing multiple reps nonstop, which led to this post.[/quote]
Unless the people you see in the gym have the very physique or strength you aspire to – don’t copy their methods. =)
[quote]BFBullpup wrote:
huey.ot wrote:
It makes absolutely no sense to let go of the bar in between repetitions, no matter what your goals are.
Unless the bar is slipping in your hands due to poor grip strength or slippery hands, there is absolutely no reason to waste time letting go and then regripping.
From The Dead Zone by Dave Tate at http://www.T-Nation.com/findArticle.do?article=194dead2:
[b] Mistake #7: Training with multiple reps
Next time you see someone doing multiple reps on the deadlift, take note of the form of each rep. You’ll see the later reps look nothing like the first. In competition you only have to pull once, so you need to learn how to develop what’s known as starting strength for the deadlift. This is the strength needed to get the bar off the floor without an eccentric (negative) action before the start.
In other words, you don’t lower the bar first and then lift the weight as you do with the squat and bench press. When you train with multiple reps you’re beginning to develop reversal strength, which isn’t needed with the deadlift.
These two reasons are enough to keep the deadlift training to singles. If you’re using multiple reps with the deadlift, then stand up in between each rep and restart the lift. This way you’ll be teaching the proper form and be developing the right kind of strength.[/b][/quote]
As much as I respect Dave Tate, there are countless champions out there who lift with multiple reps and do NOT let go of the bar and stand up in between reps. You can’t prove me wrong by simply quoting a T-Nation author.
Tate is clearly an advocate of only doing singles when deadlifting, apparently (judging from your quote). Keep in mind Dave Tate is echoing what I’m saying (in a sense), he’s talking about standing up to ensure proper form. This advice, however, I think is targetted towards newbies (like you). Since experienced lifters don’t need tricks to learn proper technique, they can do deadlifts with multiple reps without letting go of the bar in order to learn ‘proper technique’. Experienced lifters are able to maintain proper technique throughout several repetitions of deadlifting.
As I’ve already stated, you only need to regrip the bar if it’s slipped in your hands or if you’ve set up wrong. Other than than, it makes absolutely no sense to let go of the bar in between repetitions.
Also, keep in mind that Dave Tate is specifically talking about how to train in order to build competition strength. Clearly you care more about trying to ‘prove me wrong’ than about the context of the words that you quote.
Grow up.
Good training.
They all have there place. Stopping and even going none stop hit and go. Sure the hit and go wont nail that bottom end so much buit will the top and will build up strenght endurance and hell mental toughness. I dont make them priority but from time to time IMO its goosd to load the bar and just GO knock out as many as you can as fast as you can.
agian they are all tools and to be used at times IMO
Knock out a havey 15-20 rep set some day or heall a really heavyu set of 5+ and tell me it isnt working muscles,
Phill
[quote]brushga wrote:
The only time I’ve ever hurt myself deadlifting has been when I did multiple reps without resetting. I actually hate resetting because of the added time it takes to finish a set, but I feel I have to do it to maintain proper form.[/quote]
This reinforces what I’m trying to get at, unless your form is being compromised by not resetting, it makes zero sense to intentionally reset yourself and lose concentration and focus.
If you’re pulling and the bars slipping, or you feel like you didn’t set up properly, by all means don’t do another rep without resetting yourself.
I am not sure why Tate recommended that, by the same token you could say the same thing about squats and bench presses… in competition you only do one rep, so why ever do more than one rep? Again, I think his advice is oriented towards newbs. Also, deadlifting is just one of those exercises that is difficult to maintain good form on with high percentages at multiple reps when comparing to benching and squatting. So I see where he’s coming from.
[quote]Phill wrote:
They all have there place. Stopping and even going none stop hit and go. Sure the hit and go wont nail that bottom end so much buit will the top and will build up strenght endurance and hell mental toughness. I dont make them priority but from time to time IMO its goosd to load the bar and just GO knock out as many as you can as fast as you can.
agian they are all tools and to be used at times IMO
Knock out a havey 15-20 rep set some day or heall a really heavyu set of 5+ and tell me it isnt working muscles,
Phill[/quote]
I don’t know why anyone would ever perform deadlifts in the 15-20 rep range. That seems kinda stupid if ask me. It’s highly unlikely that all the muscles involved in the deadlifts will be equally conditioned in order to be able to perform all those repetitions while maintaining proper technique. i.e. your forearms will give out, or your lower back will fatigue and start rounding dangerously, etc…
And I’m sure we can all agree that proper technique is kinda good idea.
Are you telling us that you peform deadlift workouts in that mega-high range of repetitions (15-20)?
I am starting to gravitate toward triples done in stop-n-go style.
I lower the bar to the floor quickly and controlled. Take a breath and dip my hips low, then I try to push my heels through the floor.
[quote]Dirty Tiger wrote:
I am starting to gravitate toward triples done in stop-n-go style.
I lower the bar to the floor quickly and controlled. Take a breath and dip my hips low, then I try to push my heels through the floor.[/quote]
Nice. Don’t forget to do singles sometimes! You really wanna get an accurate idea of your true max, y’dig?
[quote]huey.ot wrote:
Are you telling us that you peform deadlift workouts in that mega-high range of repetitions (15-20)?
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I used to perform them this way as a method of bulletproofing, or mashing a weak point in the lift into submission. I did bottom end deadlifts with the safety pins in the power rack at my stopping point. Also great if you use isometric pulls for the last 2 or 3. I think they worked great. Got the idea from an elitefts article. I don’t usually do them anymore, but I’ll still throw them in from time to time.
Don’t diss it till you try it.
Even if you give good advice sometimes, huey, you come across as irritating, and this makes people want to flame you. Don’t be so defensive!