[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
The fact that someone ‘who follows bodybuilding’ is even putting Bautista and Warren in the same sentance is so far beyond comprehension that the premise of this thread cant be anything else BUT a trolling effort.
Paco Bautista does NOTHING when in comes to placement in shows. Are you saying that the shows are fixed or something? Or that the judges just dont know as much as you do? Seriously, what the hell is going on in this thread. [/quote]
I’m saying your opinion here does not matter to me and if you keep up with the personal insults instead of moving on if this thread offends you so much, your posts will start getting deleted.
YOU are the troll here. Understand it. Deal with it.
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You still havent addressed the substance of any of my posts.
If you didnt make this thread to hear opinions then Im even more lost than I was 5 minutes ago. And Im sorry that calling someone a troll is now a ‘personal insult’. That’s rich coming from the ‘anti pussification of america’ guy
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
The fact that someone ‘who follows bodybuilding’ is even putting Bautista and Warren in the same sentance is so far beyond comprehension that the premise of this thread cant be anything else BUT a trolling effort.
Paco Bautista does NOTHING when in comes to placement in shows. Are you saying that the shows are fixed or something? Or that the judges just dont know as much as you do? Seriously, what the hell is going on in this thread. [/quote]
I’m saying your opinion here does not matter to me and if you keep up with the personal insults instead of moving on if this thread offends you so much, your posts will start getting deleted.
YOU are the troll here. Understand it. Deal with it.
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You still havent addressed the substance of any of my posts.
If you didnt make this thread to hear opinions then Im even more lost than I was 5 minutes ago. And Im sorry that calling someone a troll is now a ‘personal insult’. That’s rich coming from the ‘anti pussification of america’ guy [/quote]
I have responded directly to just about everyone BUT you…and that should tell you something.
You have one more time. The next post won’t be up long unless you stay on topic and stop focusing on me alone.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
The fact that someone ‘who follows bodybuilding’ is even putting Bautista and Warren in the same sentance is so far beyond comprehension that the premise of this thread cant be anything else BUT a trolling effort.
Paco Bautista does NOTHING when in comes to placement in shows. Are you saying that the shows are fixed or something? Or that the judges just dont know as much as you do? Seriously, what the hell is going on in this thread. [/quote]
I’m saying your opinion here does not matter to me and if you keep up with the personal insults instead of moving on if this thread offends you so much, your posts will start getting deleted.
YOU are the troll here. Understand it. Deal with it.
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You still havent addressed the substance of any of my posts.
If you didnt make this thread to hear opinions then Im even more lost than I was 5 minutes ago. And Im sorry that calling someone a troll is now a ‘personal insult’. That’s rich coming from the ‘anti pussification of america’ guy [/quote]
x2 Bonez has said his opinion on the matter more than once. You asked for opinions and he gave his. Can no one have an opinion unless it is in agreeance with yours. I mean just looking at the guy is enough to tell you that he’s not going to be doing damage at the pro ranks
Look, to “myself” and anyone else, including Bonez, this thread is not about me. It is not about why would I ask the question. It isn’t about me trolling anyone. This thread is already 3 fucking pages long wit decent discussion…that some of you seem to be trying to stop by focusing yet again on me.
I am asking specifically why all of Branch’s faults seem to be overlooked while Paco gets shit on constantly. Either respond to that, or don’t fucking respond. Don’t ask me why I asked the damn question. That isn’t the fucking topic.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
The fact that someone ‘who follows bodybuilding’ is even putting Bautista and Warren in the same sentance is so far beyond comprehension that the premise of this thread cant be anything else BUT a trolling effort.
Paco Bautista does NOTHING when in comes to placement in shows. Are you saying that the shows are fixed or something? Or that the judges just dont know as much as you do? Seriously, what the hell is going on in this thread. [/quote]
I’m saying your opinion here does not matter to me and if you keep up with the personal insults instead of moving on if this thread offends you so much, your posts will start getting deleted.
YOU are the troll here. Understand it. Deal with it.
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You still havent addressed the substance of any of my posts.
If you didnt make this thread to hear opinions then Im even more lost than I was 5 minutes ago. And Im sorry that calling someone a troll is now a ‘personal insult’. That’s rich coming from the ‘anti pussification of america’ guy [/quote]
Go read his offseason bodybuilder’s most recent post, he said Keith Williams has bigger legs than any of the guys in the 90s. His opinion when it comes to IFBB pros is entirely obselete, in the words of Shawn Ray “I think anybody can be big, but to be big AND beautiful is another thing.” Not commenting on his facial beauty, but his body is just an expirement gone horribly awry: Huge legs and arms, no chest or back whatsoever. The only thing that Warren lacks is good arms and even though their shape isn’t great on stage he doesn’t look out of place.
Go read his offseason bodybuilder’s most recent post, he said Keith Williams has bigger legs than any of the guys in the 90s. His opinion when it comes to IFBB pros is entirely obselete, in the words of Shawn Ray “I think anybody can be big, but to be big AND beautiful is another thing.”
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That was an OFF SEASON thread and clearly I was talking about his OFF SEASON SIZE. I said that as respect for how fucking big he has gotten.
Flex Wheeler didn’t have legs that size in the 90’s, off season or otherwise. In fact, of the top bodybuilder of the late 90’s, who was on stage with legs way bigger than Kevin’s?
The push for even more leg size was what lead us into the 00’s. Guys like Flex and Cormier were not carrying that type of size in 1995.
Go read his offseason bodybuilder’s most recent post, he said Keith Williams has bigger legs than any of the guys in the 90s. His opinion when it comes to IFBB pros is entirely obselete, in the words of Shawn Ray “I think anybody can be big, but to be big AND beautiful is another thing.”
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That was an OFF SEASON thread and clearly I was talking about his OFF SEASON SIZE. I said that as respect for how fucking big he has gotten.
Flex Wheeler didn’t have legs that size in the 90’s, off season or otherwise. In fact, of the top bodybuilder of the late 90’s, who was on stage with legs way bigger than Kevin’s?
The push for even more leg size was what lead us into the 00’s. Guys like Flex and Cormier were not carrying that type of size in 1995.[/quote]
I hope you realize that the picture is photoshopped as well.
Go read his offseason bodybuilder’s most recent post, he said Keith Williams has bigger legs than any of the guys in the 90s. His opinion when it comes to IFBB pros is entirely obselete, in the words of Shawn Ray “I think anybody can be big, but to be big AND beautiful is another thing.”
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That was an OFF SEASON thread and clearly I was talking about his OFF SEASON SIZE. I said that as respect for how fucking big he has gotten.
Flex Wheeler didn’t have legs that size in the 90’s, off season or otherwise. In fact, of the top bodybuilder of the late 90’s, who was on stage with legs way bigger than Kevin’s?
The push for even more leg size was what lead us into the 00’s. Guys like Flex and Cormier were not carrying that type of size in 1995.[/quote]
I hope you realize that the picture is photoshopped as well.[/quote]
I have quite a number of picture of Kevin and unless you have a picture showing his legs much smaller, why do you think that? He is possibly one of the most improved over the last 3 years.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
Why are you hating on Branch? His flaws are no where near the extremes that Paco’s are, I don’t see how you can even draw that comparison.
Oh wait, Branch is white…ahhhhhhhhhh now it all makes sense.
The trend continues, Carry on.[/quote]
I’m not hating on him at all…and Paco ain’t black so what is your point?
I’ve met Branch. I think he’s a great guy. I got to speak with him at his last Branch Warren contest in Houston.
The pic above is from my seat sitting behind him at the show.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
A few pics of Branch for reference.
I think a definition of the word ‘fault’ is needed. Or else subjective assessment will run wild. [/quote]
Branch is known for his conditioning. People focus on that and ignore the esthetics issue. I actually think he deserved every bit of that contest he won. However, Paco is a beast in the conditioning department as well…but that doesn’t seem to even earn him a point on the score card.
Both are lacking in esthetics even though Paco is clearly further removed…but we seem to reward freaks at times…so why not him EVER?
Go read his offseason bodybuilder’s most recent post, he said Keith Williams has bigger legs than any of the guys in the 90s. His opinion when it comes to IFBB pros is entirely obselete, in the words of Shawn Ray “I think anybody can be big, but to be big AND beautiful is another thing.”
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That was an OFF SEASON thread and clearly I was talking about his OFF SEASON SIZE. I said that as respect for how fucking big he has gotten.
Flex Wheeler didn’t have legs that size in the 90’s, off season or otherwise. In fact, of the top bodybuilder of the late 90’s, who was on stage with legs way bigger than Kevin’s?
The push for even more leg size was what lead us into the 00’s. Guys like Flex and Cormier were not carrying that type of size in 1995.[/quote]
I hope you realize that the picture is photoshopped as well.[/quote]
I have quite a number of picture of Kevin and unless you have a picture showing his legs much smaller, why do you think that? He is possibly one of the most improved over the last 3 years.[/quote]
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
A few pics of Branch for reference.
I think a definition of the word ‘fault’ is needed. Or else subjective assessment will run wild. [/quote]
Branch is known for his conditioning. People focus on that and ignore the esthetics issue. I actually think he deserved every bit of that contest he won. However, Paco is a beast in the conditioning department as well…but that doesn’t seem to even earn him a point on the score card.
Both are lacking in esthetics even though Paco is clearly further removed…but we seem to reward freaks at times…so why not him EVER?[/quote]
Above all else? Clavicle to waist (hip bone diameter) ratio. That reigns king, its what creates a visually appealing physique. Its why smaller guys can look better than bigger guys who are better conditioned (not place better necessarily, but look better)
my first pic didnt post, i dont know if this one will. there is very clear difference in the way these two guys are built.
