In massive eating, it is recommended that you do a split of 3 P+C meals and 3 P+F meals. I notice that many who undertake this diet do only 1 P+F meal, and that is the meal before you go to bed.
My question is: which way are you implementing this diet, and is it working for you? In your response, please state whether you are doing a 3/3 split or saving the P+F meal for your last meal prior to bed. Tks!
I usually only get 2 P+F meals a day, one right before I go to bed and another sometime midmorning. This is mostly because I workout right after work and try and eat mostly P+C meals before workout and directly after (have to keep the glycogen up). Meal spacing is my biggest constraint. On off days I usually substitute in a few more P+F meals. So far I would say the diet is working great… prior to the diet my %BF was around 6% now it is approx. 4% and I’ve put on some lean tissue, however, some of these results I attribute to EDT. Hope this helps.
Not to get off topic, but I think one of the biggest misconceptions regarding Massive Eating (and eating for the bodybuilding lifestyle in general) is that six meals is a gold standard. I eat a minimum of seven meals a day (not including Surge), usually eight or nine. I’ve found that this makes it far easier to add calories from carbs or fat. Rather than changing 1/6 of your diet completely from carbs to fat or vice versa, you can simply reduce the size and call it 1/7 or 1/8, and eat more frequently by adding a meal that fits with your macronutrient goals. Take a look at some of JB’s sample diets and you’ll see that he uses roughly eight per day. Also, by eating more frequently, you maximize the thermal effect of food and increase the likelihood that your body will assimilate a greater percentage of the nutrients you consume at each sitting.
Amen Eric! Well said. I cannot get my full allotment of calories unless I eat 8 meals a day. Usually this is a PC (or sometime PFC) meal for breakfast, PF or (PFC) at 9, PF at 11 and 1. Train at 3:30-5 with Surge (PC), PC at 6pm, PC at 8pm and PF at 10pm. I have to eat about every 2 hours or I just cannot get my needed calories.
I do the 3/3 split on off days, but have 4 carb and 2 fat meals on training days, when I need the additional carbs.
As far as meals per day go I used to be an 8-9 per day man, but found that I was always feeling bloated and lacking an appetite. Also I don’t think I was digesting my food fully with only 2 hours between meals. Since I cut down to six per day I’ve way leaned out, even though I take in the exact same number of calories. I can sympathise with the 8- 9 per day guys, but I guess the point is that you should experiment with what works for you.
Jason, my meal setup is about the same as yours, except that I have begun training from 6-7pm now and changed some P+F meals to P+C while bulking…I have my PW Surge around 7pm, a P+C at 8pm, and then my last meal at 10pm…I have traditionally made my last meal of the day a P+F, but should I switch it to a P+C now since it is 3 hrs after my workout (and would be better processed here than earlier in the day when I am standing around at work), or would a P+F meal still be better? The only other P+F meal I have is mid-morning. If I include casein in a P+C meal, can I get away with it? I know P+C meals before bed are okay when it is the meal right after Surge, but in this situation, as the second meal after Surge, I’m not sure.
In your case, I would eat a P&C meal as your last meal of the day. You want to take advantage of the increased insulin sensitivity and increased need for carbs after workout. I would have your first 1 or 2 meals in the morning be P&C, then eat P&F until workout, and then P&C during workout and until bed.