[quote]trav123456 wrote:
I don’t think there are really any exercises that are completely useless. I could pretty much argue with everyones responses so far. Some exercises are just impossible to use for overload, but are good for high rep/burn out sets.
Exercises that I find uncomfortable - dumbell flies and upright rows[/quote]
agreed.
As a Powerlifter I’m going to say the big 3 is pretty overrated for bodybuilding purposes.
Whats with the hate on upright rows. I rotate them in every few months for 6 weeks or so. I find there a goo assistance exercise for shoulder and traps. No injury, adds some size good shoulder/trap work when lowering houlder volume in favor of more benching
[quote]MrDan500 wrote:
Whats with the hate on upright rows. [/quote]
Hurts a lot of people. If I could do them i would.
FLAT BARBELL BENCH PRESS
i think that hammer strength equipment is overrated… i train at a number of gyms and work at 2 and i see people train every muscle group on a hammer strength or similar ‘machine’. even a tricep ext machine and a bicep curl machine. as if grabbing a barbell and curling is that hard!
[quote]detazathoth wrote:
As a Powerlifter I’m going to say the big 3 is pretty overrated for bodybuilding purposes.[/quote]
You have to do them for more than 3 reps. If you’ve been doing something like Westside for any significant amount of time, magical things happen when you start benching and deadlifting for sets of 6-10 and squatting for 10-20.
[quote]Davius wrote:
i think that hammer strength equipment is overrated… i train at a number of gyms and work at 2 and i see people train every muscle group on a hammer strength or similar ‘machine’. even a tricep ext machine and a bicep curl machine. as if grabbing a barbell and curling is that hard![/quote]
If it’s plate loaded, it has it’s purpose… even if it isn’t plate loaded. Machines aren’t evil, it’s a great variant, especially in a DC workout.
It’s like the same old shit story for the smith machine. People with that kind of an opinion don’t have the knowledge to use them.
The flat bench and the tri-kickback.
my .02
[quote]Tatsu wrote:
Davius wrote:
i think that hammer strength equipment is overrated… i train at a number of gyms and work at 2 and i see people train every muscle group on a hammer strength or similar ‘machine’. even a tricep ext machine and a bicep curl machine. as if grabbing a barbell and curling is that hard!
If it’s plate loaded, it has it’s purpose… even if it isn’t plate loaded. Machines aren’t evil, it’s a great variant, especially in a DC workout.
It’s like the same old shit story for the smith machine. People with that kind of an opinion don’t have the knowledge to use them.[/quote]
i understand your point of view. however here in australia some meatheads train their whole bodies on machines. i’ve been training at a gym for 4 years and in that time most of these older guys havnt changed abit. they bulk cycle and cut cycle but they never change. i saw one of these guys place his towel on the squat rack and said to him “its good to see you train legs… i’ve never seen you squat before”… he replied " i’m not, its forearm day". they see hammer strength as superior to free weight and replace the foundation movements.
as you can see i find it frustrating. especially when young guys look up to them. they see the guy thats geared and ask for advice and ignore the guy with 28 inch quads.
Machines are easy to use for beginners, especially when the PT’s in the gym are lazy. Most people go to the gym for socializing or to do some kind of sport.
If there are meatheads who train their whole body with machines and they got huge with it, well then it works. But most of the time it doesn’t… lazy fuckwads. The young guys look up to them and listen, to become the next generation of lazy fuckwads. Then there a bunch of those who will stop training and a few who will come to their senses.
So it’s not the hammer strength machines which are overrated, because the machines are just tools. It’s the mentality of those lazy fuckwads.
[quote]Mr. Moose wrote:
phishfood1128 wrote:
chest supported t-bar rows
I disagree, I use them after I’ve been deadlifting. At least then my lower back wont be the limiting factor.
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I dont see why your lower back would be an issue doing BB bentover rows or old school BB rows with the v-handle in the corner, or cable rows (all better exercises IMO). My personal expierence is that deadlifting doesnt effect my lower back since i took time to focus on form. But then again i deadlift on my leg day not my back day.
[quote]countingbeans wrote:
MrDan500 wrote:
Whats with the hate on upright rows.
Hurts a lot of people. If I could do them i would.[/quote]
Ever try them using a low cable set-up with rope attachment?
Much easier on the wrists than BB or DB upright rows!
calf raises
just do some roping n sprinting, you’ll be fine
abit off topic… there a texan guy that comes into my work, we were chatting about supps and he was telling me the difference between america and australia. apparently aus is the only country where people can still drink alcohol past 2am. also the amount of violence on our streets is ridiculously high.
he said that to get into a fight in the US can equal jail time. and yet we have the toughest restrictions on supplements. just needed to vent… and your right it is the mentality of those who use machines. the availability of anabolics is high here. and working in the most hardcore gym in melbourne i have people who have less than a year or even no training experience who ask for the gear.
what is it like in the states?
[quote]Mad_Duck wrote:
KAS wrote:
As a boxer I would have to say that there are better ways to build endurance and conditioning in your shoulders.
Performing punching movements with bumbell just messes up the mechanics of the movement and can actually make you slower. A lot of gyms/trainers still do it because its tradition.
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I’m not a boxer, I have just trained in places that i guess are a little old school.
For the record, I also have never shadow boxed in a comercial gym with 2.5lb dumbells, pink or otherwise.
from a bodybuilding standpoint…
deadlifts
[quote]tubbynewb wrote:
KyleT wrote:
Dumbell shadow boxing.
If youve seen someone doing this its probably because they are training as a boxer or want to kick the shit out of themselves.
Either way its a damned good exercise. Fighting is hard work and sometimes it takes everything you have just to keep your hands up so that your face doesnt get punched off. Dumbell shaddow boxing helps with this.
For my money the most overrated exercise ive seen is walking at 2 miles an hour while reading a womens magazine and chatting with friends, its very popular at the gym i go to.[/quote]
Nooooo!
Punching with a weight in your hand changes the dynamic of the punch, causes your CNS to actually drop the power you put into a punch (sorry that explanation is not very good, just back from the gym and brain is switched off will edit later.) and increases the risk of damage to your joints.
If you want to do something similar, a stretch band round your back adding resistance is a much better idea.
crunches.
it seems like everybody knows they’re terrible and yet i still see everybody and their grandmother doing them.
this might have been brought up on another page maybe i just missed it.
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