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[quote]Deorum wrote:

[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]dankid wrote:
bodybuilding isn’t all about building huge muscle
[/quote]

Wut?

And I bet PLing isn’t all about having a big bench, squat and deadlift, huh?[/quote]

Bodybuilding adds subjective judging whereas PL’ing is strictly objective. I see what you’re saying though, huge muscle is the main objective in bodybuilding.[/quote]

At the same time, have you ever seen anybody who’s delts were legitimately TOO big, therefore throwing off proportions for the rest of their body? I have not.

And at first glance, yes, PLing is objective. But then you gotta remember, there’s stuff like depth on squats, what the judges consider hitching, how long the make you pause at the bottom of a bench, what they consider lockout on ANY of the big 3, etc. So to say it’s entirely objective is actually not true.

dankid, I’m done with making wisecracks and shit here. The point is, Professor X is bigger than you. He prefers seated to standing. It’s been made clear that apparently pro BBers prefer seated military press to standing. Why the fuck do you keep persisting and throwing out all these pathetic bullshit straw-man arguments? Just give it up. If someday you manage to get bigger shoulders than X through standing military press, then you can say something on the matter. Until that (highly unlikely) event, please stfu on this topic, eat and lift.

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Ok, as people already stated, seated allows for more weight and focusing on your delts, but if you’re doing it seated go for a high incline.
If you set the bench at 90 degrees there will be more spinal compression than if you’re standing.

Personally, I find standing OH more fun, but if you wanna focus on your delts a HS machine (like C_C mentioned) or a high incline smith works better.

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[quote]jimg21 wrote:

[quote]sid132 wrote:
push presses for power standing
stricter delt work seated.
id take my advice from this man although i dont fancy catching 400+ pounds the way he does

Hard to argue with this! Best of both worlds?[/quote]

Not that that video in anyway implies Mariusz doesn’t also do seated shoulder work.

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does it really matter?

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I sure hope all of the people giving advice on how to build big shoulders actually have big shoulders.

LOL. One can wish, huh?

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[quote]WideGuy wrote:
X bro you are cracking me up. It’s amazing you have the patience you do all this time. [/quote]

I wouldn’t call it patiente anyway.
31115 posts tell me that the guy has no life outside the gym and this forum, nor is he getting it on with the ladies.

I can picture him finishing a heavy set of HS Bench, and some dude coming to him and say: - “You big! Strong! Wanna go out for a protein shake?”
-“Sorry man, someone on the internet is doing a full body routine and using standing OH press for shoulders. He’s also training just 3 times a week, and says he’s having fun. I gotta take care of this.”

Then, as soon as he arrives to his lonely apartment he logs on and goes: “GNAARH! WEEKEND WARRIOR! This is a BODYBUILDING forum, so if you’re not going to the gym 20 times a week just because of your job, wife and kids, you ain’t serious about this. And TBT sucks, no top bodybuilder uses it blah blah blah this isn’t about having fun yada yada yada…you’re no bodybuilder, GET OUT!”

X, dude, knock it off with that shit. Chillax man.

Seriously, I just have to see the title of any given thread and that X posted on it to know what he said.
I’ve seen religious extremists who are less thick headed and preachy.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
I sure hope all of the people giving advice on how to build big shoulders actually have big shoulders.

LOL. One can wish, huh?[/quote]

I wouldn’t put any money on this and you might want to find a new wish. Haha.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

No, it is still a shoulder press.

Most people will tell you that BTN shoulder presses are KING for building size. They are. They are also fairly risky as MANY of the big guys I have known (and many competitors) end up with severe shoulder issues as a result of this movement after doing them over several years.

I had a big guy tell me this when I first started. Because of that, I heavily relied on the smith machine when I did these and NEVER allowed the bar to come much past my ears when lowering it due to the risk of injury. As a result, I have really big shoulders and any shoulder issues I have had to date have been fairly mild and temporary.

I like dumbbell presses as well as many machines…so the point is, you have many options and always using a free barbell for this may not always provide you with optimal results.

[/quote]

Back on page 1 this was interesting. Ive not heard about just down to the ears before, Usually guys tell me about under the chin. I’ll try that next time.

Out of interest how do you feel about or adjust incline/flat/decline benchs in the smith? i’ve found them really painful on the shoulder so i stopped doing them and went back to free bar benchs. At the same time i like the setup and safety aspect of the smith. Just wondered about your thoughts on this if you have time?

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[quote]uklifts wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

No, it is still a shoulder press.

Most people will tell you that BTN shoulder presses are KING for building size. They are. They are also fairly risky as MANY of the big guys I have known (and many competitors) end up with severe shoulder issues as a result of this movement after doing them over several years.

I had a big guy tell me this when I first started. Because of that, I heavily relied on the smith machine when I did these and NEVER allowed the bar to come much past my ears when lowering it due to the risk of injury. As a result, I have really big shoulders and any shoulder issues I have had to date have been fairly mild and temporary.

I like dumbbell presses as well as many machines…so the point is, you have many options and always using a free barbell for this may not always provide you with optimal results.

[/quote]

Back on page 1 this was interesting. Ive not heard about just down to the ears before, Usually guys tell me about under the chin. I’ll try that next time.

Out of interest how do you feel about or adjust incline/flat/decline benchs in the smith? i’ve found them really painful on the shoulder so i stopped doing them and went back to free bar benchs. At the same time i like the setup and safety aspect of the smith. Just wondered about your thoughts on this if you have time?[/quote]

How do you get the bar under your chin in a BTN shoulder press? Now THAT would be full rom.

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[quote]The other Rob wrote:

[quote]uklifts wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

No, it is still a shoulder press.

Most people will tell you that BTN shoulder presses are KING for building size. They are. They are also fairly risky as MANY of the big guys I have known (and many competitors) end up with severe shoulder issues as a result of this movement after doing them over several years.

I had a big guy tell me this when I first started. Because of that, I heavily relied on the smith machine when I did these and NEVER allowed the bar to come much past my ears when lowering it due to the risk of injury. As a result, I have really big shoulders and any shoulder issues I have had to date have been fairly mild and temporary.

I like dumbbell presses as well as many machines…so the point is, you have many options and always using a free barbell for this may not always provide you with optimal results.

[/quote]

Back on page 1 this was interesting. Ive not heard about just down to the ears before, Usually guys tell me about under the chin. I’ll try that next time.

Out of interest how do you feel about or adjust incline/flat/decline benchs in the smith? i’ve found them really painful on the shoulder so i stopped doing them and went back to free bar benchs. At the same time i like the setup and safety aspect of the smith. Just wondered about your thoughts on this if you have time?[/quote]

How do you get the bar under your chin in a BTN shoulder press? Now THAT would be full rom.[/quote]

lol! ive reread his post now, didnt realise he was still on about BTN presses, thought he was on about presses in front by that paragraph, i see he wasnt now…

still, i wouldnt mind knowing about any different bench approach

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[quote]uklifts wrote:

[quote]The other Rob wrote:

[quote]uklifts wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

No, it is still a shoulder press.

Most people will tell you that BTN shoulder presses are KING for building size. They are. They are also fairly risky as MANY of the big guys I have known (and many competitors) end up with severe shoulder issues as a result of this movement after doing them over several years.

I had a big guy tell me this when I first started. Because of that, I heavily relied on the smith machine when I did these and NEVER allowed the bar to come much past my ears when lowering it due to the risk of injury. As a result, I have really big shoulders and any shoulder issues I have had to date have been fairly mild and temporary.

I like dumbbell presses as well as many machines…so the point is, you have many options and always using a free barbell for this may not always provide you with optimal results.

[/quote]

Back on page 1 this was interesting. Ive not heard about just down to the ears before, Usually guys tell me about under the chin. I’ll try that next time.

Out of interest how do you feel about or adjust incline/flat/decline benchs in the smith? i’ve found them really painful on the shoulder so i stopped doing them and went back to free bar benchs. At the same time i like the setup and safety aspect of the smith. Just wondered about your thoughts on this if you have time?[/quote]

How do you get the bar under your chin in a BTN shoulder press? Now THAT would be full rom.[/quote]

lol! ive reread his post now, didnt realise he was still on about BTN presses, thought he was on about presses in front by that paragraph, i see he wasnt now…

still, i wouldnt mind knowing about any different bench approach[/quote]

Ok, regular bench (incline, decline, flat) can be a problem on the smith depending on how you set up and execute the lift… Not everybody likes to bench with elbows flared all the way and the bar traveling straight up/down (pec tear and bicep tendon/shoulder injury danger).

If you bench with semi tucked elbows and an inverted J -style barpath, forget about benching in the smith and use it for tricep press variations instead (where you press towards your feet as well as up in the smith), as well as high incline shoulder presses (seat one notch below vertical or so, maybe two… Depends on what you prefer) from the chin or eye level.

If you still want to go for benching in the smith, retract shoulder blades as normal etc, but you’ll have to keep your elbows flared and touch fairly high compared to a regular bench (or don’t touch at all…).

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[quote]knee-gro wrote:

[quote]WideGuy wrote:
X bro you are cracking me up. It’s amazing you have the patience you do all this time. [/quote]

I wouldn’t call it patiente anyway.
31115 posts tell me that the guy has no life outside the gym and this forum, nor is he getting it on with the ladies.

I can picture him finishing a heavy set of HS Bench, and some dude coming to him and say: - “You big! Strong! Wanna go out for a protein shake?”
-“Sorry man, someone on the internet is doing a full body routine and using standing OH press for shoulders. He’s also training just 3 times a week, and says he’s having fun. I gotta take care of this.”

Then, as soon as he arrives to his lonely apartment he logs on and goes: “GNAARH! WEEKEND WARRIOR! This is a BODYBUILDING forum, so if you’re not going to the gym 20 times a week just because of your job, wife and kids, you ain’t serious about this. And TBT sucks, no top bodybuilder uses it blah blah blah this isn’t about having fun yada yada yada…you’re no bodybuilder, GET OUT!”

X, dude, knock it off with that shit. Chillax man.

Seriously, I just have to see the title of any given thread and that X posted on it to know what he said.
I’ve seen religious extremists who are less thick headed and preachy. [/quote]

Two big points professor X misses:

(1) is that some people lift weights religously. . . to look good naked. His physique is not the ideal physique that women want to fuck.

(2) Most of us train drug free. I don’t believe he is, and therefore his advice needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

I’m sure I will be told that this is a body-building forum, or he will make some sort observation about this post and magically be able to read into my training routine, personality, and progress . . . yada yada yada.

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[quote]dankid wrote:

[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:

Hey dankid do you have any pics?[/quote]

Ya, ive got all kinda of pictures. Ive got pictures of girls, and pictures of boys. You strike me as a BOYS type of guy. I’ll send some over.[/quote]
What a troll.

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This isn’t the PROFESSOR X forum. Why do every skinny kid on this site take everything he says to heart like they do?

This thread was originally about standing vs seated shoulder pressing. Every big guy in here so far has said they prefer seated, and most every big guy I see in the gym is doing them seated. Not all of them knows who PX is, do any of you guys understand?

It’s a simple matter of observing the world around you and noticing what successful people do. It is NOT so that the other developed guys on this site follow PX around like puppies and repeats everything he says. If they seem to agree a lot, well that just means that you should probably take note.

How do you people go about learning ANYTHING in life? When you study for a math exam, do you try to figure out your own unique way of solving the problems, or do you ask the teacher about the way it’s supposed to be done and copy that method? It’s basically the same way with bodybuilding. Not quite, but close enough. You’ll get much further, faster, by copying proven to work methods.

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[quote]snewbold wrote:

[quote]knee-gro wrote:

[quote]WideGuy wrote:
X bro you are cracking me up. It’s amazing you have the patience you do all this time. [/quote]

I wouldn’t call it patiente anyway.
31115 posts tell me that the guy has no life outside the gym and this forum, nor is he getting it on with the ladies.

I can picture him finishing a heavy set of HS Bench, and some dude coming to him and say: - “You big! Strong! Wanna go out for a protein shake?”
-“Sorry man, someone on the internet is doing a full body routine and using standing OH press for shoulders. He’s also training just 3 times a week, and says he’s having fun. I gotta take care of this.”

Then, as soon as he arrives to his lonely apartment he logs on and goes: “GNAARH! WEEKEND WARRIOR! This is a BODYBUILDING forum, so if you’re not going to the gym 20 times a week just because of your job, wife and kids, you ain’t serious about this. And TBT sucks, no top bodybuilder uses it blah blah blah this isn’t about having fun yada yada yada…you’re no bodybuilder, GET OUT!”

X, dude, knock it off with that shit. Chillax man.

Seriously, I just have to see the title of any given thread and that X posted on it to know what he said.
I’ve seen religious extremists who are less thick headed and preachy. [/quote]

Two big points professor X misses:

(1) is that some people lift weights religously. . . to look good naked. His physique is not the ideal physique that women want to fuck.

(2) Most of us train drug free. I don’t believe he is, and therefore his advice needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

I’m sure I will be told that this is a body-building forum, or he will make some sort observation about this post and magically be able to read into my training routine, personality, and progress . . . yada yada yada.
[/quote]

I don’t even understand the relevance of whether or not x is drug-free. It doesn’t fucking matter, you still have to bust your fucking ass as hard to ensure you make progress, in addition, you have to have a rock solid fucking base before you even think about that. You don’t get magically fucking jacked. I haven’t been here that long but I’m honestly suprised how many fucking idiots are on here.

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[quote]snewbold wrote: Two big points professor X misses:

(1) is that some people lift weights religously. . . to look good naked. His physique is not the ideal physique that women want to fuck.

(2) Most of us train drug free. I don’t believe he is, and therefore his advice needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

I’m sure I will be told that this is a body-building forum, or he will make some sort observation about this post and magically be able to read into my training routine, personality, and progress . . . yada yada yada.
[/quote]

(1) And last I checked, having bigger shoulders makes you look better naked. And that is what this discussion is about.

(2) Drugs/no drugs has fucking nothing to do with optimal angles/exercises for muscle growth. It affects frequency and training volume, but not which exercises to use.

Look, I don’t agree with X on everything, but this BS of disagreeing with him just because that’s the “cool” thing to do is getting ridiculous. It’s amazing, the people that come out of the woodworks just to state stupid shit in an attempt to discredit him for no reason whatsoever.

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[quote]hungry4more wrote:

[quote]snewbold wrote: Two big points professor X misses:

(1) is that some people lift weights religously. . . to look good naked. His physique is not the ideal physique that women want to fuck.

(2) Most of us train drug free. I don’t believe he is, and therefore his advice needs to be taken with a grain of salt.

I’m sure I will be told that this is a body-building forum, or he will make some sort observation about this post and magically be able to read into my training routine, personality, and progress . . . yada yada yada.
[/quote]

(1) And last I checked, having bigger shoulders makes you look better naked. And that is what this discussion is about.

(2) Drugs/no drugs has fucking nothing to do with optimal angles/exercises for muscle growth. It affects frequency and training volume, but not which exercises to use.

Look, I don’t agree with X on everything, but this BS of disagreeing with him just because that’s the “cool” thing to do is getting ridiculous. It’s amazing, the people that come out of the woodworks just to state stupid shit in an attempt to discredit him for no reason whatsoever. [/quote]

Actually people disagree with him because hes an arrogant, egotistical prick… And he isn’t right about everything. There is absolutely no eveidence that standing shoulder press is inferiod to seated shoulder press for building the shoulders.

And NO, the fact that all the pros on steroids that are the biggest train that way is not evidence. Before steroids were available and so rampantly used, people trained differently, and still got very big.

And people are only aggreing with prof X, becuse THAT IS THE COOL THING TO DO.

He is the one that is bringing this forum down and causing cluster fucks like this one. The simple answer to the OP’s question was:

a) You either aren’t breathing correctly

OR

b) You either are in very poor shape or have some sort of medical condition.

For all we know, the OP could be at risk for a stroke, and could be getting light headed doing standing presses with a “heavy” 135.

And yes, Steroids do make all the difference. You can take the biggest idiot in the world training with the worst routine ever, but with the greatest genetics and steroids, and he’ll seem like he knows what he’s talking about compared to us genetically typical naturals.

Just watch jersey shore, and you’ll know what im talking about.

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[quote]dankid wrote:
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Just watch jersey shore, and you’ll know what im talking about. [/quote]

HAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHH

POST OF THE YEAR. Hands down Bar none !!!

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[quote]dankid wrote:
And NO, the fact that all the pros on steroids that are the biggest train that way is not evidence.[/quote]
Why not? As I already stated, exercise selection doesn’t change based on whether or not you’re using steroids. Only the volume and frequency of exercise you can do does. If you can build bigger shoulders with seated pressing as opposed to standing pressing while juicing, then the same will hold true when natural. What about that is so difficult to grasp?

Oooorrrrrr maybe because he’s a big guy with a lot of experience, so he has a tendency to be right about things related to getting bigger. As he’s stated time and time again, he started out as a rail thin kid, so obviously he’s had to figure shit out on his own, you can’t cry good genetics.

[quote]
He is the one that is bringing this forum down and causing cluster fucks like this one. The simple answer to the OP’s question was:

a) You either aren’t breathing correctly

OR

b) You either are in very poor shape or have some sort of medical condition.

For all we know, the OP could be at risk for a stroke, and could be getting light headed doing standing presses with a “heavy” 135.[/quote]
So now we’re supposed to assume everyone has some sort of special medical condition every time they fell lightheaded? Wtf, then I should be seeing a doctor after almost every lifting session, guess I’m all sorts of fucked up.

[quote]
And yes, Steroids do make all the difference. You can take the biggest idiot in the world training with the worst routine ever, but with the greatest genetics and steroids, and he’ll seem like he knows what he’s talking about compared to us genetically typical naturals.

Just watch jersey shore, and you’ll know what im talking about. [/quote]

Already covered the part about his genetics, and I’m pretty damn sure he didn’t need steroids to get over 220-230 lbs, which is repectable size to begin with at average height. And what if he is natural? Simply assuming he isn’t to attempt and discredit him is a pretty pansy thing to do, bit of a cop-out/straw man attack there.