[quote]dsdjd wrote:
I like starting with the clean…gets me into it more than lifting off a rack. more fun, more motivating, more kick ass. i don’t have a clue what’s “best”, but for me the clean and press is the best part of the day.[/quote]
You can just tell the guys who won’t be doing this in 5 years.
If you train “for fun”, I seriously don’t see you lasting. What the hell happens when it isn’t so “fun” anymore and becomes really hard work? What if waking up at 5 in the morning isn’t “fun” like it used to be?
Some of us are out to make progress, not turn the gym into our own entertainment center. Therefore, what is “best” is whatever way produces the most progress over a given amount of time.
[quote]dsdjd wrote:
I like starting with the clean…gets me into it more than lifting off a rack. more fun, more motivating, more kick ass. i don’t have a clue what’s “best”, but for me the clean and press is the best part of the day.[/quote]
You can just tell the guys who won’t be doing this in 5 years.
If you train “for fun”, I seriously don’t see you lasting. What the hell happens when it isn’t so “fun” anymore and becomes really hard work? What if waking up at 5 in the morning isn’t “fun” like it used to be?
Some of us are out to make progress, not turn the gym into our own entertainment center. Therefore, what is “best” is whatever way produces the most progress over a given amount of time.[/quote]
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
Military press SEATED has given me some very nice results in a short time period. It is usually a good rule of thumb to take the bigger guys’ “advices” and watch what they do. Chances are they used to be where you are and did something right to get bigger.
[quote]A_S wrote:
prof X: I dont know if you remember me, but I mailed you a few weeks back and you put my post in the Alpha T Cell…telling you thing just to remind you of my noobie status.
I too do them standing…and yes…cause I read everywhere thats its more functional.
So would this be a good way of doing seated presses?
Actually is this not more of an Incline bench press than a shoulder press?
What about seated behind the neck?
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No, it is still a shoulder press.
Most people will tell you that BTN shoulder presses are KING for building size. They are. They are also fairly risky as MANY of the big guys I have known (and many competitors) end up with severe shoulder issues as a result of this movement after doing them over several years.
I had a big guy tell me this when I first started. Because of that, I heavily relied on the smith machine when I did these and NEVER allowed the bar to come much past my ears when lowering it due to the risk of injury. As a result, I have really big shoulders and any shoulder issues I have had to date have been fairly mild and temporary.
I like dumbbell presses as well as many machines…so the point is, you have many options and always using a free barbell for this may not always provide you with optimal results.
This is bodybuilding. The goal is to make your muscles stronger and bigger. The word “functional” has taken tons of you farther away from the goals of a bodybuilder it seems…and you guys don’t seem to be blowing up faster as a result.
I recommend lynching the word.
I’ve got rope.[/quote]
can we use a term other than lynching? jk…lol
I can see X’s frustration… Why do people come to the BODYBUILDING section of the website to post questions (not just this one) like these? If you want to “get fit” that is not bodybuilding. If you want to overhead press a ton of weight, that is not bodybuilding (it might help, but that is not the goal of a BBer)
There are like 19 forums on here, and hundreds of other websites, yet this one sub-forum seems to attract hundreds of unrelated questions.
[quote]donovanbrambila wrote:
If you aren’t building big fucking shoulders with it, why do it? Cuz you hate progress? SOunds good.[/quote]
No. Cause im not a fucking pussy like most here. Who says you aren’t building muscle by doing them standing. The only thing that is obvious is that they are HARDER standing.
And just because you aren’t able to do as much weight DOES NOT mean you wont build as big of muscles. This is flawed reasoning.
And I dont care that all the big guys do them seated (which is not true). Ok, if your big do them seated, if your not do them standing.
The “advanced” guys on this site will disagree, but bodybuilding isn’t all about building huge muscle. Its about building a better body. And IMO a person that can do a standing press with 250lbs has a much “better” body than a person that can do the same weight seated.
Keep up with the flawed reasoning and pussy behaviors though. Thats what bodybuilding is all about for most here.[/quote]
That’s what I would say too if I was fucking wrong.
Interesting that you talk about flawed reasoning. You’re assuming that something is easier because you’re sitting down. Seated dumbbell presses with 100’s are hard on the shoulders. Standing presses are just a tough thing to do. In bodybuilding, you do overhead pressing to build the delts. Doing exercises arbitrarily for the sake of doing them is just fucking stupid.
Good luck with your made up definition of bodybuilding. When you’re on stage, make sure you tell the judge that while you have shitty delt development, you overhead press, so you deserve to win. And those big dudes who keep winning, what do they know? They must be pussies. They sit down.
Excuse me while I go to the Strongman forum and tell them that Strongman training has nothing to do with atlas stones and truck pulls. Being a strongman is about being able to share your feelings.
why argue over this? pointless. if you have a goal to look cool pressing shit overhead, practice your standing lift.
if on the otherhand you want to be a bodybuilder with huge shoulders, developed as fast as possible, listen to the big guys and sit down.
(remember where this thread was posted, this is the bodybuilding forum, people will get upset if your post is not bodybuilding).
[quote]donovanbrambila wrote:
If you aren’t building big fucking shoulders with it, why do it? Cuz you hate progress? SOunds good.[/quote]
No. Cause im not a fucking pussy like most here. Who says you aren’t building muscle by doing them standing. The only thing that is obvious is that they are HARDER standing.
And just because you aren’t able to do as much weight DOES NOT mean you wont build as big of muscles. This is flawed reasoning.
And I dont care that all the big guys do them seated (which is not true). Ok, if your big do them seated, if your not do them standing.
The “advanced” guys on this site will disagree, but bodybuilding isn’t all about building huge muscle. Its about building a better body. And IMO a person that can do a standing press with 250lbs has a much “better” body than a person that can do the same weight seated.
Keep up with the flawed reasoning and pussy behaviors though. Thats what bodybuilding is all about for most here.[/quote]
I don’t think he does, and I doubt he’d put them on.
Not that he may not look great and all, it’s just that he seems to have trouble using technology in general.
See, it’s been made clear to him several times that this is the BB section of the forums, and that must of his caustic views are not welcome here.
Yet he seems to have trouble navigating away to the OL, or PL section (where he’d be slightly more tolerated).
He has no development to have any credibility on the BB forum, No strength to have any credibility on the powerlifting forum, and he is too fat to pull poon off myspace.
Life must suck for these “forever in limbo” guys. Pathetic poundages no matter the lift, no real income, life or education and doomed to lead an inconsequential life, but he gets his “feeling hardcore” kick by doing odd lifts (with pathetic poundage) and supporting them on a fucking BB forum.
Dankid is loosely the equivalent of me extolling the virtues of mongolian ballet on a quilting forum…I’m not a good enouigh ballet dancer to post on a fuckign BALLET forum but I will spout off ballet BS while pretending to be a quilter. He will NEVER push up three plates on a shoulder press, seated or standing,a nd he will NEVER have a physique of any sort. HE will forever be “that guy”
For the OP, if you’re going to do standing presses, wear a belt and do PUSH presses instead. Don’t waste your time with military presses alone.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]dankid wrote:
Im gonna disagree with prof x and some of the others (No surprise).
Why dont you learn to breath correctly, and build up you conditioning a bit so that you can handle doing the exercise without passing out.
Sure, you might not work your shoulders with as much weight INITIALLY, but the standing overhead press is a great lift.
If you are going to take prof x’s advice, you might as well stop squatting and deadlifting. These exercises are hard. Go with leg press and leg curls. No need to do anything hard, when you can get your whole workout sitting down.[/quote]
You may be the second biggest waste of bandwidth on the entire internet. You’re in close second to “SteroidsR4Losers” of youtube fame.
I am tracking down the waste of sperm. Give me some time…
[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:
[quote]dankid wrote:
[quote]donovanbrambila wrote:
If you aren’t building big fucking shoulders with it, why do it? Cuz you hate progress? SOunds good.[/quote]
No. Cause im not a fucking pussy like most here. Who says you aren’t building muscle by doing them standing. The only thing that is obvious is that they are HARDER standing.
And just because you aren’t able to do as much weight DOES NOT mean you wont build as big of muscles. This is flawed reasoning.
And I dont care that all the big guys do them seated (which is not true). Ok, if your big do them seated, if your not do them standing.
The “advanced” guys on this site will disagree, but bodybuilding isn’t all about building huge muscle. Its about building a better body. And IMO a person that can do a standing press with 250lbs has a much “better” body than a person that can do the same weight seated.
Keep up with the flawed reasoning and pussy behaviors though. Thats what bodybuilding is all about for most here.[/quote]
he might not have posted it here to begin with. the last time i posted a thread about OHP, i did so in the GAL forum because i was more suited there. the mods moved it to the bodybuilding forum, where you guys flamedme (cries in a corner)
Ok, as people already stated, seated allows for more weight and focusing on your delts, but if you’re doing it seated go for a high incline.
If you set the bench at 90 degrees there will be more spinal compression than if you’re standing.
Personally, I find standing OH more fun, but if you wanna focus on your delts a HS machine (like C_C mentioned) or a high incline smith works better.
[quote]WideGuy wrote:
X bro you are cracking me up. It’s amazing you have the patience you do all this time. [/quote]
I wouldn’t call it patiente anyway.
31115 posts tell me that the guy has no life outside the gym and this forum, nor is he getting it on with the ladies.
I can picture him finishing a heavy set of HS Bench, and a chinese dude coming to him and say: - “You big! Strong! Wanna go out for a protein shake?”
-“Sorry man, someone on the internet is doing a full body routine and using standing OH press for shoulders. He’s also training just 3 times a week, and says he’s having fun. I gotta take care of this.”
Then, as soon as he arrives to his lonely apartment he logs on and goes: “GNAARH! WEEKEND WARRIOR! This is a BODYBUILDING forum, so if you’re not going to the gym 20 times a week just because of your job, wife and kids, you ain’t serious about this. And TBT sucks, no top bodybuilder uses it blah blah blah this isn’t about having fun yada yada yada…you’re no bodybuilder, GET OUT!”
X, dude, knock it off with that shit. Chillax man. Go out sometimes.
Seriously, I just have to see the title of any given thread and that X posted on it to know what he said.
I’ve seen religious extremists who are less thick headed and preachy.
i love ohp-s both way, though for bbing purposes, the seated one is vastly superior. I even love leverage machines for shoulders, and high-incline presses. I know that some “hardcore” folks despise both of them, as you “can support your back” and “lean against the support”, but who cares as long as it hits the delts better?
If I’m looking for an excersise done standing, I do squats or some sort of deadlift. And I know this sounds pussy, but for someone, who is 195 cms tall (that’s 6 and a half feet as I know) and has endless forelimbs, lifting heavy loads overhead standing perhaps isn’t the safest idea.
