[quote]BantamRunner wrote:
There are no right or wrong answers…only progress or the lack thereof.
Alan[/quote]
This.
[quote]tribunaldude wrote:
LOL
[quote]BantamRunner wrote:
100lbs later if I put 245 on the bar and started lifting I’d be crushed.
Alan[/quote]
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Well…that didn’t come out right…
Moral of the story…common sense prevails. If you’re a 3, 4 ,5 ,600lb squater or whatever you’re probably not going to just throw the shit on the bar and go at it without ramping up to it. On a flip side, a rank beginner putting 135 on the bar could probably just load it and go. Similarly, someone OH pressing under 100lbs doesn’t likely ‘need’ to sit down vs someone OH pressing 300lbs.
Perhaps the mods SHOULD divert such threads to a beginners forum then as there seems to be a lot of questions like this coming up.
[quote]BantamRunner wrote:
[quote]tribunaldude wrote:
LOL
[quote]BantamRunner wrote:
100lbs later if I put 245 on the bar and started lifting I’d be crushed.
Alan[/quote]
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Well…that didn’t come out right…
Moral of the story…common sense prevails. If you’re a 3, 4 ,5 ,600lb squater or whatever you’re probably not going to just throw the shit on the bar and go at it without ramping up to it. On a flip side, a rank beginner putting 135 on the bar could probably just load it and go. Similarly, someone OH pressing under 100lbs doesn’t likely ‘need’ to sit down vs someone OH pressing 300lbs.
Perhaps the mods SHOULD divert such threads to a beginners forum then as there seems to be a lot of questions like this coming up.[/quote]
common sense tells me if all the big fuckers sit down i should also sit the fuck down.
My favourite part of this thread is the massively ironic title when in the context of all the idiots who’ve posted.
My second favourite part is all the smaller guys desperately shouting against the obvious results and knowledge of the bigger guys.
If the OP is still around, please give us more information…
How much weight were you using when this “problem” happened?
Then your question can be properly addressed.
this thread has been an interesting read. its interesting how dankid keeps posting without realizing how unbelievably retarded he sounds
Did you really use your phone number as your handle?
[quote]BantamRunner wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]dankid wrote:
The big question for the OP would have been how much weight and how many reps is he using where he’s getting lightheaded. If he’s repping 225x8 and getting lightheaded thats very different than doing something like 95x8… And the response would be different.
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Please explain. I’m curious.[/quote]
Weight is not relative. Strength is. Weight is weight.
Lifter A: 160lbs, OH presses 225 for 8 reps, get’s light-headed. Sit the F down. The problem is the weight is too heavy for you to control standing. The weight is probably causing you breathing difficulties because 225lbs is above your head and wants to come down.
Lifter B: 160lbs, OH presses 95 for 8 reps, get’s light-headed. You’re out of shape, and weak. Learn to breathe properly.
I think at some point we all start out as Lifter B and eventually become Lifter A. This is kind of like that whole ramping debate/debacle. At some point, you grow, you get stronger, and hopefully common sense prevails. I’m still pretty new at this but 18 months ago I could throw 135lbs on the bar and just start squating and that was it because that was my work weight, well…100lbs later if I put 245 on the bar and started lifting I’d be crushed. Likewise, standing OH presses were very doing when I was only putting up 60+ pounds. As that gets heavier and heavier and you get closer to your bodyweight and over that it becomes obviously clear you’re going to have to sit the F down in order to progress.
There’s a bigger problem here that most have touched on, but most have not really conveyed the message nicely… Then again if I had been in the trenches for 10 odd years progressing and still reading the same old dumb shit over and over again I’d get a little tweaked.
At some point you have to just stop following a program, stop reading BS, stop mind-fucking yourself in information…and just get in the gym and experience it. There are no right or wrong answers…only progress or the lack thereof.
Common sense prevails…if you’re out of f’n breathe or otherwise compromised during OH presses, then sit down.
Alan[/quote]
Ok… But, shouldn’t common sense prevail, when the OP is getting light-headed on the SECOND rep, that something is wrong, no matter what the weight is?
[quote]imhungry wrote:
Ok… But, shouldn’t common sense prevail, when the OP is getting light-headed on the SECOND rep, that something is wrong, no matter what the weight is?
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I respectively disagree. If he’s using 300lbs and grinding out 5 second reps, where this is a 2-3RM, than that is very different. Im assuming though that its probably 135’ish and in that case, I think looking at underlying issues may be a better fix than just sitting down.
If this thread were a train; it would have hit a noob on the track, derailed horrifically, set ablaze by arsons, pillaged by trolls, then the survivors get raped by Dankid.
[quote]dankid wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
Ok… But, shouldn’t common sense prevail, when the OP is getting light-headed on the SECOND rep, that something is wrong, no matter what the weight is?
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I respectively disagree. If he’s using 300lbs and grinding out 5 second reps, where this is a 2-3RM, than that is very different. Im assuming though that its probably 135’ish and in that case, I think looking at underlying issues may be a better fix than just sitting down.[/quote]
If the OP was at a level that he could lift 300 pounds, he surely has enough experience to know proper technique and how to breathe, since this isn’t the first time he’s done OHP. It still shouldn’t be happening, imo.
In any case, we both agree that the OP probably isn’t lifting lifting that much, anyway, and that there’s an obvious issue that needs to be addressed…
I’m out.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]tribunaldude wrote:
Umm, because he appears to base his exercise selection on whether on not he enjoys the movement, not on whether on not that exercise is superior for building a certain muscle group.
I also doubt our friend who loves power cleans is cleaning any worthwhile poundage, but rather gets a kick out of doing them because they’re hardcore. MOST of the nimrods who talk about power cleans on this forum can’t even power clean 2 plates a side for fuck’s sake, but that doesn’t stop them from being the spokesperson for that movement.
Power cleans are a great movement, IF you know how to do them and can move some good weight and you know WHY youy’re doing them. But unless you’re looking at your training from a BB perspective, you won’t have a clue why you’re doing the damn movement other than you’re supposed to, because its hardcore brah, or that someone told you it will sklap muscle on you like crazy.
[quote]BANGBANG wrote:
you really know your stuff when it comes to training, but why wont he last cus hes “having fun”…
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That should have been clear enough in this thread.
Every single one of the nimrods who decided to make this thread all about me for some reason wouldn’t impress a room full of kindergarten children with their muscular development but insist on jumping into every thread related to bodybuilding in a bodybuilding forum to tell us that muscle size is somehow now not important at all.
If you are training “for fun” as if the progress you make is irrelevant, you are NOT bodybuilding. You are simply in the gym doing shit for entertainment.
Any of you who need even more explanation for why this makes you lesser than those who have a solid goal and go after it with everything they have…are likely too dim to even understand this post.
If you want to be in the gym just to be in the gym…for fun…so be it. Just stay out of the way of those who are really trying to reach a goal.
This activity is not always “fun”. It often takes hard work, waking up at times most people are still sleep and spending quite a bit of time preparing meals ahead of time along with all of the other work necessary OUTSIDE of the gym.[/quote]
I guess i had trouble with your initial statement because hard work and achieving goals etc… is my idea of fun…
I wasnt sure if you were basing your statement on some profound sports psychology knowledge, personal experience, or just talking outta your ass
Although “fun” isnt the goal (the goal is to build muscle/strength)… its fun knowing that what I’m doing will help me get there… and your right, sacrifice isnt always “fun”… the end result however, and most of the process should be imo…
thanks for responding, i see where you were coming from…
/ thread hijack
[quote]imhungry wrote:
In any case, we both agree that the OP probably isn’t lifting lifting that much, anyway, and that there’s an obvious issue that needs to be addressed…
I’m out.
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Yes, I can agree to this. And IMO assuming he is pressing anything less than his BW, there is no reason that standing overhead press and push press can not help him reach the goals of more strength and more muscle. Im not saying that its better than seated or even as good, and likely a combination of both would be the best bet. They both have certain distinct benefits.
With the amount of information we know about the OP, this thread has been pretty trivial. I guess it was useful in X recruiting more “groupies” to his cult as my name is basically thrown around by every noob now.
[quote]dankid wrote:
[quote]imhungry wrote:
In any case, we both agree that the OP probably isn’t lifting lifting that much, anyway, and that there’s an obvious issue that needs to be addressed…
I’m out.
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Yes, I can agree to this. And IMO assuming he is pressing anything less than his BW, there is no reason that standing overhead press and push press can not help him reach the goals of more strength and more muscle. Im not saying that its better than seated or even as good, and likely a combination of both would be the best bet. They both have certain distinct benefits.
With the amount of information we know about the OP, this thread has been pretty trivial. I guess it was useful in X recruiting more “groupies” to his cult as my name is basically thrown around by every noob now.[/quote]
LOL
[quote]cliwel wrote:
When performing heavy standing overhead barbell presses I always become very lightheaded after the second rep. Does anyone have suggestions on how to keep this from happening?[/quote]
I had this same problem and it is gone now. Part of the reason is because I stopped smoking. The other part could be from using techniques that allow more oxygen to flow through the body. One way I did this was by taking several deep breaths before I started the set. The other way was by keeping my back straight and head up, and taking in oxygen whenever I could (safely) during the set.
From my understanding, lightheadedness usually occurs with a lack of oxygen, so if you can fix its intake and circulation, you’ll be good.
all i know is that i would NEVER do my seated presses like the one of the fat fuck the OP used as an example of a seated overhead press. look at him… he’s a fat fuck, that isn’t even straight up and down. it’s an incline press. he’s not even using his sholderzzzzz. don’t get me started on the fact that he held his breath through most of that set. and what’s up with those things on his elbows?? that’s just cheating.
my vote is for standing overhead press. anything else is just cheating.
[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
all i know is that i would NEVER do my seated presses like the one of the fat fuck the OP used as an example of a seated overhead press. look at him… he’s a fat fuck, that isn’t even straight up and down. it’s an incline press. he’s not even using his sholderzzzzz. don’t get me started on the fact that he held his breath through most of that set. and what’s up with those things on his elbows?? that’s just cheating.
my vote is for standing overhead press. anything else is just cheating. [/quote]
I didn’t see that video before. It was a lot of weight, but not really a shoulder press. More of a hybrid incline/shoulder press. Its kinda silly for me to criticize the video, because he’s way stronger than me, but if he was a bodybuilder (which im assuming not) then he should also be coming down all the way.
The other problem about seated presses, is even with a 100% vertical bench, almost everyone will turn them into an incline bench. People are saying that they had to switch to seated because their back was arching too much on standing, but I’d bet a lot of money that these same people are arching their back a ton on seated presses. So it wasn’t that they NEEDED to switch to seated, but instead of getting stronger, they switched to convince themselves that more weight meant more strength.
And the biomechanics of a true vertical seated press are all screwed up, unless you use DB’s or a HS machine. On a standing pressyour head and torso are able to pivot out of the path of the bar, but with a seated press (unless you use a low backed bench) you are forced to change the bar path completely. For me, so far seated press has been most useful for lockouts starting above my head, but anything with more ROM and i’d prefer to do them standing.
[quote]dankid wrote:
Its kinda silly for me to criticize the video, because he’s way stronger than me, but if he was a bodybuilder (which im assuming not) then he should also be coming down all the way.
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Maraudermeat was being sarcastic, the video is of him dankid. And what if he gets better shoulder stimulation by not going all the way down? Maybe there’s a REASON he’s bigger and stronger than you (and me)…
[quote]hungry4more wrote:
[quote]dankid wrote:
Its kinda silly for me to criticize the video, because he’s way stronger than me, but if he was a bodybuilder (which im assuming not) then he should also be coming down all the way.
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Maraudermeat was being sarcastic, the video is of him dankid. And what if he gets better shoulder stimulation by not going all the way down? Maybe there’s a REASON he’s bigger and stronger than you (and me)…[/quote]
Well I fail at sarcasm I guess. Either way my opinions still stand as far as standing vs seated, and the guy in the video (whoever he is) is very strong. But im sure he is more concerned with STRENGTH on those than targeting his shoulders.
In my gym there is a direct correlation between pressing seated and being pseudo-bodybuilder pussy with proportionnate fat. I do them standing, I never tried seated, I will in the future but if would make me feel like them. takes too much athleticism to press standing up for them.
It’s my local gym, it doesnt mean anything ,whatever works for you.
maybe for an advanced guy seated is a best option but in general you see the correlation between as a beginner chosing the easiest option (seated) and getting nowhere because you are pussy. I am talking about the gym crowd in general not about the motivated guys like most of us.
Unrelated but the reason someone who is a big black dentist weight 300 lbs is because they take steroids. Being this big doesnt automatically make their advice or lack thereof better. I am not gonna use only machine for my training because it’ss crap. As a natural intermediate trainee I wont get anywhere doing leg presses instead of squat and not doing deadlifts. So maybe people can stop giving advice that are extrapolation of what works for their AAS user self to other people who are not in their situation