If you’re seeing the light, don’t walk towards it.
Especially if it’s at the end of a tunnel.
There are definitely a few professor X fanboys around here though.
Umm, because he appears to base his exercise selection on whether on not he enjoys the movement, not on whether on not that exercise is superior for building a certain muscle group.
I also doubt our friend who loves power cleans is cleaning any worthwhile poundage, but rather gets a kick out of doing them because they’re hardcore. MOST of the nimrods who talk about power cleans on this forum can’t even power clean 2 plates a side for fuck’s sake, but that doesn’t stop them from being the spokesperson for that movement.
Power cleans are a great movement, IF you know how to do them and can move some good weight and you know WHY youy’re doing them. But unless you’re looking at your training from a BB perspective, you won’t have a clue why you’re doing the damn movement other than you’re supposed to, because its hardcore brah, or that someone told you it will sklap muscle on you like crazy.
[quote]BANGBANG wrote:
you really know your stuff when it comes to training, but why wont he last cus hes “having fun”…
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[quote]tribunaldude wrote:
Umm, because he appears to base his exercise selection on whether on not he enjoys the movement, not on whether on not that exercise is superior for building a certain muscle group.
I also doubt our friend who loves power cleans is cleaning any worthwhile poundage, but rather gets a kick out of doing them because they’re hardcore. MOST of the nimrods who talk about power cleans on this forum can’t even power clean 2 plates a side for fuck’s sake, but that doesn’t stop them from being the spokesperson for that movement.
Power cleans are a great movement, IF you know how to do them and can move some good weight and you know WHY youy’re doing them. But unless you’re looking at your training from a BB perspective, you won’t have a clue why you’re doing the damn movement other than you’re supposed to, because its hardcore brah, or that someone told you it will sklap muscle on you like crazy.
[quote]BANGBANG wrote:
you really know your stuff when it comes to training, but why wont he last cus hes “having fun”…
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That should have been clear enough in this thread.
Every single one of the nimrods who decided to make this thread all about me for some reason wouldn’t impress a room full of kindergarten children with their muscular development but insist on jumping into every thread related to bodybuilding in a bodybuilding forum to tell us that muscle size is somehow now not important at all.
If you are training “for fun” as if the progress you make is irrelevant, you are NOT bodybuilding. You are simply in the gym doing shit for entertainment.
Any of you who need even more explanation for why this makes you lesser than those who have a solid goal and go after it with everything they have…are likely too dim to even understand this post.
If you want to be in the gym just to be in the gym…for fun…so be it. Just stay out of the way of those who are really trying to reach a goal.
This activity is not always “fun”. It often takes hard work, waking up at times most people are still sleep and spending quite a bit of time preparing meals ahead of time along with all of the other work necessary OUTSIDE of the gym.
Wow, I didn’t realize asking a simple question would leas to 8 pages of BS. So let me summarize all the relevant posts:
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“Do them seated”- Wow, I never thought of this. You guys must be very advanced. Pure “thinking out of the box.” The words ‘brilliant’, ‘innovative’, ‘cutting edge’ keep coming to mind. I am not worthy!
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“Breathe”- Again, what a revelation. Your intellect is far superior to anything I have ever witnessed. I might even try this concept through the day at work and maybe even at night while sleeping.
Thanks A**holes!
What the fuck did you expect?
Training ain’t gonna be ‘brilliant’, ‘innovative’, or ‘cutting edge’. Training is and always will be hard fucking work, and eating alot.
Did you want a magic fucking pill?
[quote]cliwel wrote:
Wow, I didn’t realize asking a simple question would leas to 8 pages of BS. So let me summarize all the relevant posts:
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“Do them seated”- Wow, I never thought of this. You guys must be very advanced. Pure “thinking out of the box.” The words ‘brilliant’, ‘innovative’, ‘cutting edge’ keep coming to mind. I am not worthy!
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“Breathe”- Again, what a revelation. Your intellect is far superior to anything I have ever witnessed. I might even try this concept through the day at work and maybe even at night while sleeping.
Thanks A**holes![/quote]
Wait…so if you thought of the only things that could be causing your issue ahead of time, why did you waste our time asking the question?
[quote]cliwel wrote:
Wow, I didn’t realize asking a simple question would leas to 8 pages of BS. So let me summarize all the relevant posts:
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“Do them seated”- Wow, I never thought of this. You guys must be very advanced. Pure “thinking out of the box.” The words ‘brilliant’, ‘innovative’, ‘cutting edge’ keep coming to mind. I am not worthy!
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“Breathe”- Again, what a revelation. Your intellect is far superior to anything I have ever witnessed. I might even try this concept through the day at work and maybe even at night while sleeping.
Thanks A**holes![/quote]
Do you realize how dumb you sound?
Commence “trainwreck” status!
Holy crap! I fucking LOVE T-Nation! I posted on the first couple pages of this thread when it first started. I come back on Monday and waded through 6 more pages of some of the most ignorant shit I’ve read here to date.
Thanks, kind posters, for making my Monday.
[quote]cliwel wrote:
Wow, I didn’t realize asking a simple question would leas to 8 pages of BS. So let me summarize all the relevant posts:
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“Do them seated”- Wow, I never thought of this. You guys must be very advanced. Pure “thinking out of the box.” The words ‘brilliant’, ‘innovative’, ‘cutting edge’ keep coming to mind. I am not worthy!
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“Breathe”- Again, what a revelation. Your intellect is far superior to anything I have ever witnessed. I might even try this concept through the day at work and maybe even at night while sleeping.
Thanks A**holes![/quote]
You asked a question and you got legitimate answers.
Otherwise, go to a doctor if you’ve already tried these options.
Ah shit, I’m all out of popcorn.
This got me thinking:
“Actually people disagree with him because hes an arrogant, egotistical prick… And he isn’t right about everything. There is absolutely no eveidence that standing shoulder press is inferiod to seated shoulder press for building the shoulders.”
I’m sure there are some EMG stats out in cyberspace somewhere comparing various shoulder presses…not that EMG is the end all be all…but it would provide numbers for people to chew on.
Here’s my take: Once you get pretty heavy you will find it hard to near impossible to do a standing OH Press without some sort of lean. This itself tells you that you are taking some of the effect away from the targeted muscle. THAT is what BBing is all about kiddos…TARGETING muscles.
Does the standing OH Press have its place? Sure. Do we need to poop on our hands and throw it at each other like monkeys over it? Probably not.
Lost in it all is the OP. Poor guy is just gassing from doing OH Presses. Breathe son. Sit down. Get some cardio. Something.
Bantamrunner’s post was the first logical one so far…
I wouldn’t go as far as to say Standing OHP is a superior exercise, but I would fight anyone to the grave that says standing OHP is useless as a “bodybuilding” exercise.
Prof X was more concerned with being the “witty” dick that he always is than to actually help someone that came to the forum asking for advice.
The big question for the OP would have been how much weight and how many reps is he using where he’s getting lightheaded. If he’s repping 225x8 and getting lightheaded thats very different than doing something like 95x8… And the response would be different.
Both standing and seated have advantages and disadvantages. There is no reason why anyone couldn’t use both and build huge shoulders and arms.
[quote]dankid wrote:
The big question for the OP would have been how much weight and how many reps is he using where he’s getting lightheaded. If he’s repping 225x8 and getting lightheaded thats very different than doing something like 95x8… And the response would be different.
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Please explain. I’m curious.
[quote]dankid wrote:
Bantamrunner’s post was the first logical one so far…
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No, it wasn’t the first. You’re just stupider than everyone else.
Way to go, captain obvious.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]dankid wrote:
Bantamrunner’s post was the first logical one so far…
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No, it wasn’t the first. You’re just stupider than everyone else. [/quote]
[quote]imhungry wrote:
[quote]dankid wrote:
The big question for the OP would have been how much weight and how many reps is he using where he’s getting lightheaded. If he’s repping 225x8 and getting lightheaded thats very different than doing something like 95x8… And the response would be different.
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Please explain. I’m curious.[/quote]
Weight is not relative. Strength is. Weight is weight.
Lifter A: 160lbs, OH presses 225 for 8 reps, get’s light-headed. Sit the F down. The problem is the weight is too heavy for you to control standing. The weight is probably causing you breathing difficulties because 225lbs is above your head and wants to come down.
Lifter B: 160lbs, OH presses 95 for 8 reps, get’s light-headed. You’re out of shape, and weak. Learn to breathe properly.
I think at some point we all start out as Lifter B and eventually become Lifter A. This is kind of like that whole ramping debate/debacle. At some point, you grow, you get stronger, and hopefully common sense prevails. I’m still pretty new at this but 18 months ago I could throw 135lbs on the bar and just start squating and that was it because that was my work weight, well…100lbs later if I put 245 on the bar and started lifting I’d be crushed. Likewise, standing OH presses were very doing when I was only putting up 60+ pounds. As that gets heavier and heavier and you get closer to your bodyweight and over that it becomes obviously clear you’re going to have to sit the F down in order to progress.
There’s a bigger problem here that most have touched on, but most have not really conveyed the message nicely…
Then again if I had been in the trenches for 10 odd years progressing and still reading the same old dumb shit over and over again I’d get a little tweaked.
At some point you have to just stop following a program, stop reading BS, stop mind-fucking yourself in information…and just get in the gym and experience it. There are no right or wrong answers…only progress or the lack thereof.
Common sense prevails…if you’re out of f’n breathe or otherwise compromised during OH presses, then sit down.
Alan
- This forum is for people who’ve put some time into this activity.
- Lifter B should post strictly on the rank beginner’s forum.
Why is this even being discussed? We have a beginner’s forum for this very reason.
[quote]BantamRunner wrote:
Lifter B: 160lbs, OH presses 95 for 8 reps, get’s light-headed. You’re out of shape, and weak. Learn to breathe properly.
100lbs later if I put 245 on the bar and started lifting I’d be crushed. Likewise, standing OH presses were very doing when I was only putting up 60+ pounds. As that gets heavier and heavier and you get closer to your bodyweight and over that it becomes obviously clear you’re going to have to sit the F down in order to progress.
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LOL
[quote]BantamRunner wrote:
100lbs later if I put 245 on the bar and started lifting I’d be crushed.
Alan[/quote]