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[quote]Cockney Blue wrote:
maverickbu wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:

Seeing guys show up with less than 10 fights is wasting everyone’s time.

I don’t think more time is going to solve the UFC’s talent problem at this point.

Let’s not generalize too much, though. Lesnar, hammill, Edgar, Velasquez, and a bunch of others have had very positive impact on the UFC with records showing less than 10 fights when they showed up. Hell, Joe Warren took out Chase bebee and Kid Yamamoto (a former top p4p) in the Dream FW tournament in the first 2 fights of his MMA career. his win over Kid was unquestionably upset of the year.

I guess the point is that they shouldn’t have been able to.
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If the talent’s there, the talent’s there, regardless of career maturity. If Kobe Bryant and Lebron James can be two of the best players in basketball without college ball, or Al Kaline can go straight from high school to play in the MLB for 22 years with the Tigers, whose to say some of the best MMA talent will not come from guys with little to no (in the case of Joe Warren) pro experience.

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Speaking of leg kicks, I haven’t seen many (if any) target the calves/ankles when fighting someone who likes to catch kicks. There is a spot on the outside of the calf, which hurts just as much as getting kicked in the side of the thigh, and makes it pretty impossible for someone to catch your kick (unless maybe they squat way down and completely drop their hands, which makes them a sitting duck for a head kick, or fake low kick/straight right).[/quote]

They are much easier to check.

I don’t think this kick paired with a high kick would work though, unless the low kick was a feint or the high kick was a snap kick (like TKD) as opposed to the normal round kick we see. Think about it, if you kick the left lower leg with your right leg trying to get your opponent to dip down and grab it, he’s gonna drop his head to the left.

Any high kick from your left leg he will already be in a position to evade. You’d have to follow with a kick from the same side which is always going to have less power and have the potential to put you in a position to be taken down (especially since he will already have changed levels). The kick from the same side, in order to be quick enough to capitalize on the opponent’s dipped head, will likely need to be a snap kick fired before your foot hits the ground from the leg kick.

Of course, all this can be ignored if you are, coincidentally enough, Shogun or Machida who are the only 2 MMA fighters I’ve seen effectively use a right leg kick to jumping left high round kick combo against top competition.

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I think the talent pool is deep enough to keep things interesting, but I’d really love to see some outsiders shake it up a bit.

I think Diego Sanchez has all the ferocity and skill to give BJ Penn a run for his money, and he’s probably one of the most threatening opponents in the lightweight division at this point.

Not really too many people come to mind to make an interesting face-off against GSP. He’s so thoroughly trashed anyone who’s stepped into the Octagon with him that it makes rematches look dull.

STOKED that Vitor Belfort has returned to the UFC, and he looks like a real threat to Anderson Silva’s position at middleweight. The guy’s freakishly phenomenal, and newly improved with his use of Machida karate.

Shogun just proved that he is once again the terror of Pride, and gave a seemingly unbeatable, too-hard-to-hit opponent what was the thrashing of his career. One other person I’d kill to see in the UFC light heavyweight division is Gegard Mousasi. The guy’s like a little Fedor. He’s said he’d like to fight in the UFC someday, and I can hardly wait for that day.

Shane Carwin is perhaps even more of a behemoth than Brock Lesnar, in my opinion. The guy wear gloves a size larger than Brock, and he’s never been past the 3-minute mark in any of his fights. His fists are like boulders, he’s belting up in jiu-jitsu, and he’s a top-tier wrestler. Finally, these two titans clash.

The most untouchable champs in their respective weight divisions right now, without threatening competition, are GSP and BJ Penn. GSP v. Jake Shields would make for a good matchup, but that’s not on the horizon, as Shields is very much contracted to Strikeforce. Hope somebody worthy makes his way up the ladder soon, though I believe GSP will reign for a very long time.

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[quote]DannyVandal wrote:
jtrinsey wrote:

If Anthony Johnson is still undefeated and gets a shot at GSP’s belt in a year or so, that will be a big fight. It will be even bigger if Johnson beats him and they get a rematch.

He’s gotta make weight first. After Friday/Saturday’s debacle he should be moved down the pecking order if anything. He looked suitably embarrassed after the fight at least.

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The $60k + %20 of the cash to the other guy had to burn a little too.

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[quote]maverickbu wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
Speaking of leg kicks, I haven’t seen many (if any) target the calves/ankles when fighting someone who likes to catch kicks. There is a spot on the outside of the calf, which hurts just as much as getting kicked in the side of the thigh, and makes it pretty impossible for someone to catch your kick (unless maybe they squat way down and completely drop their hands, which makes them a sitting duck for a head kick, or fake low kick/straight right).

They are much easier to check.
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Depends on how well you set them up, and yeah if they are the type that likes to check kicks, then it probably wouldn’t be as good of a choice. If they’re the type that likes to catch kicks though, or you set them up well with hand strikes, or footwork/positioning, then they’re tough to stop as the weapon has to travel less distance to the target, making it appear faster.

I’m not saying that they’re the end all be all, just that targeting those areas against someone who likes to catch kicks works well if executed properly.

Yeah, I wasn’t talking about throwing a low kick, high kick combination. I was talking about throwing a bunch of low kicks to try to get them to anticipate the kick and reach down to catch it. Then throwing a head kick (without throwing a low kick first) to “change levels” on them and catch them with their hands down, crouching, and like you said, likely leaning their head into the kick. Watch GSP’s second fight with Hughes to see an example of using this strategy well.

Or, again, you could fake the kick and throw a right hand as he drops his left hand to try to catch the kick.

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[quote]maverickbu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
maverickbu wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:

Seeing guys show up with less than 10 fights is wasting everyone’s time.

I don’t think more time is going to solve the UFC’s talent problem at this point.

Let’s not generalize too much, though. Lesnar, hammill, Edgar, Velasquez, and a bunch of others have had very positive impact on the UFC with records showing less than 10 fights when they showed up. Hell, Joe Warren took out Chase bebee and Kid Yamamoto (a former top p4p) in the Dream FW tournament in the first 2 fights of his MMA career. his win over Kid was unquestionably upset of the year.

I guess the point is that they shouldn’t have been able to.

If the talent’s there, the talent’s there, regardless of career maturity. [/quote]

I agree. My argument is that Dana and company don’t really have an eye for such talent like the Japanese apparently do, thus the need for better weeder/feeder leagues. Before they bought Pride, we all liked watching Pride better, didn’t we? You made the point about Joe Warren and Kid Yamamoto. Well, Dream’s a Japanese tournament.

Brock Lesnar did well, but he’s in an extremely thin division already.

With Velasquez, I think they’ve got another basic ground-and-pound guy. That Eastern European they put him up against during his first UFC bout was a complete donkey. We heard all this stuff from Joe Rogan about his standup, but he wouldn’t stand up with Rothwell.

Looking at Hamill’s record, I don’t think he’s moving the UFC forward talent-wise with losses to Franklin and Bisping, meaning I don’t see him as a contender. He’s also already 33, meaning his shelf-life will be rather low in the UFC.

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Therizza wrote:
side note on leg kicks.

we all saw what happened to Rua, even though he wrecked Machida’s legs.

Maybe CroCop should axe kick some of these judges because I don’t think they realize the damage a kick does.

Agreed, but they’re used half-assedly in the UFC.

When you watch the Thais, if they get a good leg kick in on someone, they memorize the spot they hit. They’ll come back to it repeatedly later until eventually the guy isn’t walking anymore. This can happen very quickly if done right.

REmember the Lawler/Spratt fight? Lawler couldn’t answer the bell in the 2nd or third round because he got kicked so hard on the inside of his leg.

It’s not just that they memorize the spot, it’s that they know exactly the right spot to hit. They aren’t just throwing the leg kick and hoping that it lands like many in MMA do, they are specifically targetting nerve bundles, which dramatically increases the effectiveness of the kicks.

Speaking of leg kicks, I haven’t seen many (if any) target the calves/ankles when fighting someone who likes to catch kicks. There is a spot on the outside of the calf, which hurts just as much as getting kicked in the side of the thigh, [/quote]

I remember the first time I got kicked on the inside edge of my left tibia. Up to that point, it had never occurred to me that someone would kick me there.

It was a formative event for me.

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
With Velasquez, I think they’ve got another basic ground-and-pound guy. That Eastern European they put him up against during his first UFC bout was a complete donkey. We heard all this stuff from Joe Rogan about his standup, but he wouldn’t stand up with Rothwell.
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Yeah, he’s definitely no high level striker. He nearly got KO’d several times against Kongo, and clearly didn’t want to stand with Rothwell. His wrestling looks very impressive though. But, I just don’t see how he’s going to take the belt from Brock (or Carwin if he beats brock) as wrestling is his/their strength as well, and they are both considerably bigger and stronger than him. Carwin will also knock him out if he tries to stand with him.

[quote]
Looking at Hamill’s record, I don’t think he’s moving the UFC forward talent-wise with losses to Franklin and Bisping, meaning I don’t see him as a contender. He’s also already 33, meaning his shelf-life will be rather low in the UFC.[/quote]

I think you should have put Bisping in quotes, because he no more lost that fight than Shogun lost his fight with Machida. Both were loses due to poor judging. He did lose convincingly to Franklin, but he’s only been training MMA for a relatively short time, and Franklin was the former (seemingly unbeatable at one time) MW champ.

I agree though that he’ll probably never wear the belt, if he even gets a title shot.

Someone like Jon Jones or Anthony Johnson though are newcomers who both seem to have tons of potential and are fairly young, so they still have time to improve. So, clearly the UFC is getting “some” of the new talent out there.

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Therizza wrote:
side note on leg kicks.

we all saw what happened to Rua, even though he wrecked Machida’s legs.

Maybe CroCop should axe kick some of these judges because I don’t think they realize the damage a kick does.

Agreed, but they’re used half-assedly in the UFC.

When you watch the Thais, if they get a good leg kick in on someone, they memorize the spot they hit. They’ll come back to it repeatedly later until eventually the guy isn’t walking anymore. This can happen very quickly if done right.

REmember the Lawler/Spratt fight? Lawler couldn’t answer the bell in the 2nd or third round because he got kicked so hard on the inside of his leg.

It’s not just that they memorize the spot, it’s that they know exactly the right spot to hit. They aren’t just throwing the leg kick and hoping that it lands like many in MMA do, they are specifically targetting nerve bundles, which dramatically increases the effectiveness of the kicks.

Speaking of leg kicks, I haven’t seen many (if any) target the calves/ankles when fighting someone who likes to catch kicks. There is a spot on the outside of the calf, which hurts just as much as getting kicked in the side of the thigh,

I remember the first time I got kicked on the inside edge of my left tibia. Up to that point, it had never occurred to me that someone would kick me there.

It was a formative event for me. [/quote]

Yeah, not a fun experience. If you’ve never been kicked on the outside of the calf, consider yourself lucky, because that sucks just as much.

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Therizza wrote:
side note on leg kicks.

we all saw what happened to Rua, even though he wrecked Machida’s legs.

Maybe CroCop should axe kick some of these judges because I don’t think they realize the damage a kick does.

Agreed, but they’re used half-assedly in the UFC.

When you watch the Thais, if they get a good leg kick in on someone, they memorize the spot they hit. They’ll come back to it repeatedly later until eventually the guy isn’t walking anymore. This can happen very quickly if done right.

REmember the Lawler/Spratt fight? Lawler couldn’t answer the bell in the 2nd or third round because he got kicked so hard on the inside of his leg.

It’s not just that they memorize the spot, it’s that they know exactly the right spot to hit. They aren’t just throwing the leg kick and hoping that it lands like many in MMA do, they are specifically targetting nerve bundles, which dramatically increases the effectiveness of the kicks.

Speaking of leg kicks, I haven’t seen many (if any) target the calves/ankles when fighting someone who likes to catch kicks. There is a spot on the outside of the calf, which hurts just as much as getting kicked in the side of the thigh,

I remember the first time I got kicked on the inside edge of my left tibia. Up to that point, it had never occurred to me that someone would kick me there.

It was a formative event for me.

Yeah, not a fun experience. If you’ve never been kicked on the outside of the calf, consider yourself lucky, because that sucks just as much.[/quote]

I have! Shit sucks…might of had something to do with my current situation I let you guys know about.

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[quote]Yeah, he’s definitely no high level striker. He nearly got KO’d several times against Kongo, and clearly didn’t want to stand with Rothwell. His wrestling looks very impressive though. But, I just don’t see how he’s going to take the belt from Brock (or Carwin if he beats brock) as wrestling is his/their strength as well, and they are both considerably bigger and stronger than him. Carwin will also knock him out if he tries to stand with him.
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Joe Rogan needs to be fired.

I agree with what you’ve said. Wowiieee, another basic gnp guy - just what the UFC needs! They should at least get someone in there with some cool throws to watch like Parisyan.

He should probably cut the fat and try to move down.

I agree, but he also didn’t exactly put Bisping away like Hendo did, maybe because he couldn’t hear Bisping’s mouth running beforehand.

Yeah, but there just throwing stuff at a wall and seeing what sticks. They have no real plan. Dana’s ego is clearly getting in the way of things.

I’m definitely over the UFC for the time being.

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
maverickbu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
maverickbu wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:

Seeing guys show up with less than 10 fights is wasting everyone’s time.

I don’t think more time is going to solve the UFC’s talent problem at this point.

Let’s not generalize too much, though. Lesnar, hammill, Edgar, Velasquez, and a bunch of others have had very positive impact on the UFC with records showing less than 10 fights when they showed up. Hell, Joe Warren took out Chase bebee and Kid Yamamoto (a former top p4p) in the Dream FW tournament in the first 2 fights of his MMA career. his win over Kid was unquestionably upset of the year.

I guess the point is that they shouldn’t have been able to.

If the talent’s there, the talent’s there, regardless of career maturity.

I agree. My argument is that Dana and company don’t really have an eye for such talent like the Japanese apparently do, thus the need for better weeder/feeder leagues. Before they bought Pride, we all liked watching Pride better, didn’t we? You made the point about Joe Warren and Kid Yamamoto. Well, Dream’s a Japanese tournament.

Brock Lesnar did well, but he’s in an extremely thin division already.

With Velasquez, I think they’ve got another basic ground-and-pound guy. That Eastern European they put him up against during his first UFC bout was a complete donkey. We heard all this stuff from Joe Rogan about his standup, but he wouldn’t stand up with Rothwell.

Looking at Hamill’s record, I don’t think he’s moving the UFC forward talent-wise with losses to Franklin and Bisping, meaning I don’t see him as a contender. He’s also already 33, meaning his shelf-life will be rather low in the UFC.[/quote]

I actually think the issue is a lack of top-level ATHLETES. The vast majority of talented/gifted athletes don’t do fighting growing up. They play football/basketball/baseball. Even most good HS wrestlers play football too. Shit, even Brock tried to get into the NFL. So, those sports get MOST of the very gifted athletes, no doubt because of the prestige and money. When one of the few top-tier guys who DID come up as a fighter gets into the UFC, they dominate for a while. Examples are Brock and GSP. Both are freak athletes, and could probably be sucessful in many other sports instead, but their life path took them to fighting. Not the case for most top athletes right now.

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Yeah, he’s definitely no high level striker. He nearly got KO’d several times against Kongo, and clearly didn’t want to stand with Rothwell. His wrestling looks very impressive though. But, I just don’t see how he’s going to take the belt from Brock (or Carwin if he beats brock) as wrestling is his/their strength as well, and they are both considerably bigger and stronger than him. Carwin will also knock him out if he tries to stand with him.

Joe Rogan needs to be fired.

I agree with what you’ve said. Wowiieee, another basic gnp guy - just what the UFC needs! They should at least get someone in there with some cool throws to watch like Parisyan.

He should probably cut the fat and try to move down.
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Yeah, I agree. If he ever wants a shot at wearing a belt that is.

LOL. True.

Yeah, I’d have to largely agree with that. I think that the whole TUF was basically their idea of how to recruit new talent and make sure that the guys could actually fight. Not the best plan maybe, but at least they’re actively recruiting. From this season, with all of the former NFL players, it seems like they are starting to attract athletes from other sports and may be actively looking at athletes from other sports.

Of course, so far all of those athletes have sucked, but hey, at least they’re looking.

Hope you enjoy DREAM, Strikeforce or whatever other show you decide to follow.

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[quote]Therizza wrote:
WEC is fun to watch, but take any of their champs and put them in the UFC and see who wins? Chael Sonnen much? It sucks, but the champs are the champs because they are the best at MMA at the moment. Well I should say ‘winning’ and not ‘mma’, as some champs kind of actually suck at fighting! (Machida cough cough). It’s like the Patriots back when they ran the NFL. Noone could touch them. It will just take time for more people to get into the UFC, talent wise.

But it is true and somewhat disappointing that the disparity between the #1 and #2 in some divisions is so huge.

Again, this is why I think there should be a heavyweight and superheavyweight division. Part of the reason Brock trainwrecks people is that some of them shouldn’t be in the same weight class as him.

As an aside, who do you think would go into the heavyweight and superheavyweight divisions?[/quote]

In 2008 the Pats where 11-6…without Brady…
In 2007…18-1…

So exactly when did they stop running the NFL?

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Therizza wrote:
side note on leg kicks.

we all saw what happened to Rua, even though he wrecked Machida’s legs.

Maybe CroCop should axe kick some of these judges because I don’t think they realize the damage a kick does.

Agreed, but they’re used half-assedly in the UFC.

When you watch the Thais, if they get a good leg kick in on someone, they memorize the spot they hit. They’ll come back to it repeatedly later until eventually the guy isn’t walking anymore. This can happen very quickly if done right.

REmember the Lawler/Spratt fight? Lawler couldn’t answer the bell in the 2nd or third round because he got kicked so hard on the inside of his leg.

It’s not just that they memorize the spot, it’s that they know exactly the right spot to hit. They aren’t just throwing the leg kick and hoping that it lands like many in MMA do, they are specifically targetting nerve bundles, which dramatically increases the effectiveness of the kicks.

Speaking of leg kicks, I haven’t seen many (if any) target the calves/ankles when fighting someone who likes to catch kicks. There is a spot on the outside of the calf, which hurts just as much as getting kicked in the side of the thigh,

I remember the first time I got kicked on the inside edge of my left tibia. Up to that point, it had never occurred to me that someone would kick me there.

It was a formative event for me.

Yeah, not a fun experience. If you’ve never been kicked on the outside of the calf, consider yourself lucky, because that sucks just as much.

I have! Shit sucks…might of had something to do with my current situation I let you guys know about. [/quote]

Yikes, that does suck. Hope that situation is working itself out. Take care of yourself Boss.

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[quote]Sentoguy wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Therizza wrote:
side note on leg kicks.

we all saw what happened to Rua, even though he wrecked Machida’s legs.

Maybe CroCop should axe kick some of these judges because I don’t think they realize the damage a kick does.

Agreed, but they’re used half-assedly in the UFC.

When you watch the Thais, if they get a good leg kick in on someone, they memorize the spot they hit. They’ll come back to it repeatedly later until eventually the guy isn’t walking anymore. This can happen very quickly if done right.

REmember the Lawler/Spratt fight? Lawler couldn’t answer the bell in the 2nd or third round because he got kicked so hard on the inside of his leg.

It’s not just that they memorize the spot, it’s that they know exactly the right spot to hit. They aren’t just throwing the leg kick and hoping that it lands like many in MMA do, they are specifically targetting nerve bundles, which dramatically increases the effectiveness of the kicks.

Speaking of leg kicks, I haven’t seen many (if any) target the calves/ankles when fighting someone who likes to catch kicks. There is a spot on the outside of the calf, which hurts just as much as getting kicked in the side of the thigh,

I remember the first time I got kicked on the inside edge of my left tibia. Up to that point, it had never occurred to me that someone would kick me there.

It was a formative event for me.

Yeah, not a fun experience. If you’ve never been kicked on the outside of the calf, consider yourself lucky, because that sucks just as much.

I have! Shit sucks…might of had something to do with my current situation I let you guys know about.

Yikes, that does suck. Hope that situation is working itself out. Take care of yourself Boss.[/quote]

All is going smoothly so far…will be going to doc in a few hours. Hopefully I can get the clearance to at least jump rope,shadowbox…maybe lift weights. We shall see.

If not,I will at least be able to teach…which will be fun with my frustrations of not being able to spar,hit pads,etc. Lots of creative,possibly vomit-inducing, drills are coming my students’ direction…lol.

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In my 16 years in Bando and MT I’ve taken maybe 10,000 hard leg kicks. I’ve fought 30 or so matches and won two national titles… I’ve never taken a single kick that ended a fight and I’ve seen a single kick end a match only once. There have been plenty of times I’ve been unable to walk the next day, but never stopped.
And IMO the bando and MT guys have the best leg kicks in the world.

That said, I think thats the reason we dont see more leg kicks in MMA, you’re just not going to KO a guy with them and with the smaller gloves you are opening yourself up to counters that may be more lethal. You’re also opening yourself up to the take down. Most MMA guys throw a “slapping” leg kick, rather than the hip driven, smashing type found in MT.

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[quote]Big_Boss wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
Big_Boss wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Sentoguy wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Therizza wrote:
side note on leg kicks.

we all saw what happened to Rua, even though he wrecked Machida’s legs.

Maybe CroCop should axe kick some of these judges because I don’t think they realize the damage a kick does.

Agreed, but they’re used half-assedly in the UFC.

When you watch the Thais, if they get a good leg kick in on someone, they memorize the spot they hit. They’ll come back to it repeatedly later until eventually the guy isn’t walking anymore. This can happen very quickly if done right.

REmember the Lawler/Spratt fight? Lawler couldn’t answer the bell in the 2nd or third round because he got kicked so hard on the inside of his leg.

It’s not just that they memorize the spot, it’s that they know exactly the right spot to hit. They aren’t just throwing the leg kick and hoping that it lands like many in MMA do, they are specifically targetting nerve bundles, which dramatically increases the effectiveness of the kicks.

Speaking of leg kicks, I haven’t seen many (if any) target the calves/ankles when fighting someone who likes to catch kicks. There is a spot on the outside of the calf, which hurts just as much as getting kicked in the side of the thigh,

I remember the first time I got kicked on the inside edge of my left tibia. Up to that point, it had never occurred to me that someone would kick me there.

It was a formative event for me.

Yeah, not a fun experience. If you’ve never been kicked on the outside of the calf, consider yourself lucky, because that sucks just as much.

I have! Shit sucks…might of had something to do with my current situation I let you guys know about.

Yikes, that does suck. Hope that situation is working itself out. Take care of yourself Boss.

All is going smoothly so far…will be going to doc in a few hours. Hopefully I can get the clearance to at least jump rope,shadowbox…maybe lift weights. We shall see.

If not,I will at least be able to teach…which will be fun with my frustrations of not being able to spar,hit pads,etc. Lots of creative,possibly vomit-inducing, drills are coming my students’ direction…lol. [/quote]

LOL, nice.

In my experience teaching people will also improve your skills considerably, because you’ll likely have to really break thing down (possibly from multiple “angles”) which will really help to solidify your understanding of the techniques. It’s also a great mental exercise because different people learn differently (visual, kinesthetic, audible, conceptual, etc…) and having to figure out how to put things in a way that makes sense to them can be pretty challenging.

Hope it goes well.

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[quote]Valor wrote:
In my 16 years in Bando and MT I’ve taken maybe 10,000 hard leg kicks. I’ve fought 30 or so matches and won two national titles… I’ve never taken a single kick that ended a fight and I’ve seen a single kick end a match only once. There have been plenty of times I’ve been unable to walk the next day, but never stopped.
And IMO the bando and MT guys have the best leg kicks in the world.

That said, I think thats the reason we dont see more leg kicks in MMA, you’re just not going to KO a guy with them and with the smaller gloves you are opening yourself up to counters that may be more lethal. You’re also opening yourself up to the take down. Most MMA guys throw a “slapping” leg kick, rather than the hip driven, smashing type found in MT. [/quote]

True. And good points.

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[quote]maverickbu wrote:
Cockney Blue wrote:
maverickbu wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:

Seeing guys show up with less than 10 fights is wasting everyone’s time.

I don’t think more time is going to solve the UFC’s talent problem at this point.

Let’s not generalize too much, though. Lesnar, hammill, Edgar, Velasquez, and a bunch of others have had very positive impact on the UFC with records showing less than 10 fights when they showed up. Hell, Joe Warren took out Chase bebee and Kid Yamamoto (a former top p4p) in the Dream FW tournament in the first 2 fights of his MMA career. his win over Kid was unquestionably upset of the year.

I guess the point is that they shouldn’t have been able to.

If the talent’s there, the talent’s there, regardless of career maturity. If Kobe Bryant and Lebron James can be two of the best players in basketball without college ball, or Al Kaline can go straight from high school to play in the MLB for 22 years with the Tigers, whose to say some of the best MMA talent will not come from guys with little to no (in the case of Joe Warren) pro experience.[/quote]

I agree, but as the sport matures I think we will see less and less 3-1 guys coming into the UFC and doing well.