I did nothing out of the ordinary this week. I’m pretty active, workout 5 days a week. I do house work at home, working on the cars and want not. Basically I don’t just sit around all day.
Yesterday I went to the gym. I started to do some lunges. I usually don’t do lunges, but I do legs once a week with dead lifts and squats. Anyway, I was fine until I started to lunges. All of a sudden my hamstrings and ass felt like I had a killer leg workout the day before where I squated for about 6 hours. I mean it was so bad that I could barely walk up the steps to get back to my office… My ass and legs still hurt today… It just came on all of a sudden…
Has this ever happened to anyone else? What caused this?
I just started the Meltdown Training program and I have to go to the gym here in a few hours and I have to squat today, but I’m seriously sore… Should I still go and knock it out?
I’m not exactly sure what workout you were doing yesterday. I’m assuming you were doing legs if you were doing lunges. If so, then the question that immediately comes to my mind is: You did legs yesterday and were planning to squat again today??? Riiight.
Lunges are well known to hit the glutes and hamstrings hard. Given that you don’t do them regularly it isn’t unusual to be sore from them. In fact, I do them often and I get sore every single time. Why you’d expect to do squats the day after is still beyond me.
Lunges are well known to hit the glutes and hamstrings hard. Given that you don’t do them regularly it isn’t unusual to be sore from them. In fact, I do them often and I get sore every single time. Why you’d expect to do squats the day after is still beyond me.[/quote]
Do a search for “Meltdown Training” by Don Alessi then you will know what training method I’m applying… I wasn’t just pulling something out of my butt…
I’m also very aware what lunges are for. I was more curious if anyone ever got “instantly” sore from something like this. I work legs regularly, but I can’t say I ever get this sore… I wasn’t sore before I started working out yesterday, but I seriously had a hard time hopping up into my jeep and walking up the stairs back to my office… It still hurts today… It sucks…
Try single leg ‘speed skater’ squats from one of Joe Defranco’s w/os… if you want pain from something that ‘looks’ reasonably easy.
I agree with Kintetix… why oh why would you be working legs on consecutive days unless you were targetting different muscles?
What was the weight you were using on the lunges? Maybe you are expecting too much from your muscles, joints if you are not used to that movement…
[quote]mowgli1959 wrote:
I agree with Kintetix… why oh why would you be working legs on consecutive days unless you were targetting different muscles?
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In Meltdown I, you do squats on one day, then the next day you do walking lunges.
You do some form of leg work 4 days a week.
I’ve never had the kind of overwhelming soreness you speak of with MD, but with the level of exhaustion I experience after the fourth set I really can’t feel anything except a profound need for air.
I’m curious if people ever read any articles on this site, or do they just get on here to post information that has nothing to do with the original post?
I wasn’t looking for something to give me a good workout… That has nothing to do with this post…
People should read articles on t-nation before they add their 2 cents in. I don’t come off like I know everything which is why I post things up here…
Look at the Meltdown Training article I mentioned in the first place. Not enough, check out some of Chad Waterbury’s articles, such as ABBH and put another post up here about me hitting the same muscle group 2 days in a row.
You are correct. I (and many others) do not read every article put on the site. I have other obligations that prevent me from living online. I read what I can when I can. However, I do read many journal articles and work in one of the world’s leading labs for muscle protein metabolism. Because I haven’t read an article does not discount me from giving sound advice.
Also, just because an article says something does not make it fact. That is not to say that I think training the same part several times per week is bad. Being open minded is a good thing. BUT, when you offer support by saying “because Don and Chad say so” it doesn’t exactly make your case.
Please forgive us for giving you our input. I’ll certainly make sure not to do it again.
[quote]LJ4174 wrote:
I’m curious if people ever read any articles on this site, or do they just get on here to post information that has nothing to do with the original post?
I wasn’t looking for something to give me a good workout… That has nothing to do with this post…
People should read articles on t-nation before they add their 2 cents in. I don’t come off like I know everything which is why I post things up here…
Look at the Meltdown Training article I mentioned in the first place. Not enough, check out some of Chad Waterbury’s articles, such as ABBH and put another post up here about me hitting the same muscle group 2 days in a row.
Thanks…
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LJ… I’ll be brief… you treat me like a moron…and expect the same from me towards you… You asked about why your legs were hurting so much after lunges… I asked how much weight you used. Maybe my allusion to ‘speed skater squats’ was too much for you(have you read any of Mr. DeFranco’s routines?.. they are quite good too)… I do those… and it is instant pain after 10 reps… It is hard to stand/straighten my legs. It just hits the muscles differently.
If you are sold on doing the ‘Meltdown 1’ training… then do it and don’t bitch and complain because you are sore(poor baby) afterwards… Ain’t it grand to be alive and feel? I certainly am not the ‘alpha and omega’ of bbd’ing, but I have had some experience… and that is what you were asking for… You and I have already read the articles and know that there are many schools of thought regarding hitting the same muscle group on consecutive days…
I too am doing Meltdown. I am slightly sore from the lunges in my hammies and butt, but not near what you are describing. I would take at least a day off, applies alternating heat/ice treatment along with stretching. Question: How are you warming up? Do you stretch and warm up on a bike or jump rope prior to starting meltdown. I do, and once I can function after my 4th set I will strecth again. Hope you start feeling better.
Usually the leg workouts that are posted are killer, i would say just because you tried something different it hurt so much, hey have you tried “Limping Into October,” i found it in the archives, and i know your pain believe me, this workout caused pain i have never felt before, i shrugged it off to doing something different.
Kinetix - if you work for “a world’s leading lab for muscle protein metabolism” Why don’t you tell us which one? You want to give me shit for doing legs 2 days in a row and then you want to say something about “Don and Chad”. I was just giving an example of a program, and there are many others, that work the same muscle group the next day. Don’t treat me like I’m an idiot for doing it… Keep reading your journals…
mowgli1959 - I wasn’t bitching… You went completely off the subject of what my post was about? A pain and if anyone else ever experienced something similar. You start talking about some god damn speed skater squats. I treat people how they come off… Act like a moron, get treated like a moron.
I seen both your posts on other subjects and again they were completely off the subject. If you don?t have anything constructive to post, do us all a favor and don?t post?
[quote]LJ4174 wrote:
Kinetix - if you work for “a world’s leading lab for muscle protein metabolism” Why don’t you tell us which one? You want to give me shit for doing legs 2 days in a row and then you want to say something about “Don and Chad”. I was just giving an example of a program, and there are many others, that work the same muscle group the next day. Don’t treat me like I’m an idiot for doing it… Keep reading your journals…
mowgli1959 - I wasn’t bitching… You went completely off the subject of what my post was about? A pain and if anyone else ever experienced something similar. You start talking about some god damn speed skater squats. I treat people how they come off… Act like a moron, get treated like a moron.
I seen both your posts on other subjects and again they were completely off the subject. If you don’t have anything constructive to post, do us all a favor and don’t post?
LJ
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LJ(should be BJ)
I’m doing you a favour now and posting even though you seem to NOT deserve the attention… I am assuming that it is not you on the bike in the avatar, having the responsibility of a bike would seem to be out of reach of someone who apparently can neither reason nor read.
You mentioned the pain of ‘hopping into my jeep’ after doing lunges. I mentioned the pain I get after doing the ‘speed skater squats’(did you ever try reading Mr Defranco’s work outs? Think you can find them yourself?). I guess your pain is much greater and of much more importance than mine. I was merely saying that I get this pain immediately after the exercise… wait for it… wasn’t that your question? Didn’t you ask if anyone got that pain so quickly?
Moving on…
Maybe you aren’t all that in the gym either? Leg day is typically the hardest day with soreness lasting for days(if you do it right). It is the largest muscle group, therefore heaviest weight, more work to move it. I would seriously question your routine or the weight you use if this experience with soreness after lunges is the ‘first time’ you have ever had pain after leg night… Now, before you call me a moron again, all I have to do is say to the fellas at the club that I am doing legs tonight, they give me their condolences…;)…(was that analogy too much for you? Do you need it in pictures?)
BTW, these are 250lb+ bouncers, kick boxers and a UCC world champ…
I wait with breathless anticipation for the learned response I am going to get…ROTFLMFAO…
It’s just the unfamiliarity with the movement that is causing your problem. I would personally avoid going full-bore with a routine that had exercises I wasn’t well used to. Spend a week (or even two) of training incorporating new exercises, before going all out.
As far as getting the hurt right away, yes I have. It’s happened with me mid-set, after taking a break from squats and then starting up again.
The glutes are the largest muscle in your body, and when they hurt, you know it.
LJ4174,
Hey buddy… Haven’t heard your nonsense for awhile. Well, the questions are pretty good, but your reception of some of the answers leaves much to be desired… I was just re-reading this thread and had to ask what was up?