Just want to to say ran into a mate of mine not seen for ages… and he said
“You going to the gym you look bigger”
I felt so proud LOL… that’s it 
[quote]MODOK wrote:
CC- for 3 easy payments of 49.95… we will give YOU the super-special hamstring exploder. YOU will have girls walking up to you there in the Rhineland, rubbing your hams, and asking “how did they get so big?” Call right this minute, and we will throw in our ultra-special “rhomboid eruptor” at no extra cost.[/quote]
LOL
My rhomboids are probably bigger than my hamstrings already, I’ll just take the ham-exploder.
C_C do you have a video of how you want people to do the rows?
Also I don’t have a reverse hyper machine.
Can a make-shift one still work…I mean I got a table that allows me to lget my legs under it…2 rods to hold myself…I just attach some ankle weights or weights through a rope and do the exercise exactly as you would on a machine…is this still okay?
I might have a dumb question for you guys:
Modok, you said earlier that a trap-bar deadlift would be a good alternative for thighs so you wouldn’t have to do 2 exercises.
If one were to use the pictured above shrug machine (or one similar, with the ability to grab at usual deadlift height) to do deadlifts, would this be a viable substitute? I have access to one, but I’ve never thought about using it. Does anyone have experience?
I’ve been having low-spine issues and I’m concerned that sumo deadlifts are going to do more harm than good, so that’s why I’m asking.
Any advice is appreciated.
[quote]MODOK wrote:
CC- for 3 easy payments of 49.95… we will give YOU the super-special hamstring exploder. YOU will have girls walking up to you there in the Rhineland, rubbing your hams, and asking “how did they get so big?” Call right this minute, and we will throw in our ultra-special “rhomboid eruptor” at no extra cost.[/quote]
I’ll take the super-special hamstring exploder. Where do I sign up?
[quote]zraw wrote:
How are you sir !
I’d like your opinion on BBB if you did read the program
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Sir? Is there some sort of adult standing behind me? lol
You can’t go wrong with low/moderate volume, progression, higher than normal frequency and a focus on lifts that will add a ton of mass overall(ie dips for triceps instead of pushdowns) and create an anabolic environment for the whole body. I don’t like a few of the specific applications(working muscle groups several times in a row) and the increased volume but if you can live through it you’ll be ready for some big PRs come the hypergrowth stage I imagine. I don’t think everyone can handle the ramps as laid out though, only time will tell.
MODOK and I discussed the way Phil actually does his training and I much prefer that method(all rep ranges in one session) but this thread isn’t about him/that so I’ll leave that for another day.
[quote]Scott M wrote:
zraw wrote:
How are you sir !
I’d like your opinion on BBB if you did read the program
Sir? Is there some sort of adult standing behind me? lol
You can’t go wrong with low/moderate volume, progression, higher than normal frequency and a focus on lifts that will add a ton of mass overall(ie dips for triceps instead of pushdowns) and create an anabolic environment for the whole body. I don’t like a few of the specific applications(working muscle groups several times in a row) and the increased volume but if you can live through it you’ll be ready for some big PRs come the hypergrowth stage I imagine. I don’t think everyone can handle the ramps as laid out though, only time will tell.
MODOK and I discussed the way Phil actually does his training and I much prefer that method(all rep ranges in one session) but this thread isn’t about him/that so I’ll leave that for another day. [/quote]
Thanks for your input !
P.S. I just felt like calling your sir ! loll
Lots of great insight here guys, thanks for all the pointers. I’ve just about finished week one, and am excited to start to add more volume.
This may have been addressed already, but I thought I’d ask the guys who are entering week 3 and/or 4.
How much weight are you adding in between the weeks? I’ve heard it before that adding both intensity (weight) and volume together at once can sometimes not be the best idea overtraining-wise… unless that’s the overreaching we are looking for 
Would you recommend only adding weight if you hit the top of the range every set, as long as more overall work (added reps) is accomplished? Or is adding weight to the first set the best way to go?
Leo suing someone for ripping him off. Now that’s irony…or so we hear. ;0
DH
quote]MODOK wrote:
DH wrote:
You guys notice how similar the base concepts are on BBB to Waterburys stuff? It gets compared to DC often, but it more resembles Chads HFT. He wanted people to work up to doing the whole body 3x per week over 6 workouts. His method is to train 2x on MWF.
BBBs first ramp gets the same thing done over 6 days. He advocates rep range bouncing from about 18rm to 5rm. Very close to BBB. Cut back on volume and frequency after 3-4 weeks. Just as BBB.
Ultimately he pushed to go to 8-10 workouts per week for training. And BBB’s ramp 2 and 3 advocate nearly daily training for 3 weeks straight.
Both advocated fast reps speed with CONTROL. Finally, Chad has mentioned that sheer volume “through frequency” trumps all other variables for hypertrophy.
Its safe to say BBB agrees.
Waterbury absolutely ripped off BBB. One of his articles or his book I remember him using the EXACT graphs on hyperadaption and supercomp thats in bbb. Its quite hilarious, and if I were Costa I woulda sued the shit out of him.
Waterbury got REALLY wacky with a LOT of his later ideas. Terminating a set when you start to slow down? Thats insane. But you are right, he did borrow heavily from BBB in most of his early writings.
I knew I liked Chad. 
DH
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Hey, I’m all for my woman rubbing my hammies. Its all good.
[quote]MODOK wrote:
CC- for 3 easy payments of 49.95… we will give YOU the super-special hamstring exploder. YOU will have girls walking up to you there in the Rhineland, rubbing your hams, and asking “how did they get so big?” Call right this minute, and we will throw in our ultra-special “rhomboid eruptor” at no extra cost.[/quote]
Share the wealth, gents…
[quote]MODOK wrote:
Scott M wrote:
DH and MODOK you guys are getting a taste of what the DC guys go through daily… “I know I’ve been doing the program for 2 weeks(or not yet at all lol) but I think I’m going to change it already and add XY and Z… sound good?”
MODOK the template I’m running that we talked about is working swimmingly. Girlfriend asked what I was doing different since my arms were more “muscley” haha.
LOL- been wondering about you! That rep scheme is awesome… I think I’m in love. lol
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Saw where Phil said he based his frequency off of an
Australian study. After some snooping it basically seems Phil is hitting things once every 4 days on a 3-way split. 3on 1off pattern. Push, Pull, legs, off, repeat. I like that. But BBB pushes it a bit more to force overreaching. I dont see how Phils frequency would do that. Is he not using a rebound phase like with BBB.
I’m totally fascinated about the history of his involvement with BBB. MODOK was the first I heard of it.
I’d love some more info. If you prefer, Scott, you could email me.
thanks,
DH
As for me, my favorite ramp was always number 1. I used to stick to that one after I finished the 18 week program.
[quote]Scott M wrote:
zraw wrote:
How are you sir !
I’d like your opinion on BBB if you did read the program
Sir? Is there some sort of adult standing behind me? lol
You can’t go wrong with low/moderate volume, progression, higher than normal frequency and a focus on lifts that will add a ton of mass overall(ie dips for triceps instead of pushdowns) and create an anabolic environment for the whole body. I don’t like a few of the specific applications(working muscle groups several times in a row) and the increased volume but if you can live through it you’ll be ready for some big PRs come the hypergrowth stage I imagine. I don’t think everyone can handle the ramps as laid out though, only time will tell.
MODOK and I discussed the way Phil actually does his training and I much prefer that method(all rep ranges in one session) but this thread isn’t about him/that so I’ll leave that for another day. [/quote]
[quote]DH wrote:
I’m totally fascinated about the history of his involvement with BBB. MODOK was the first I heard of it.
I’d love some more info. If you prefer, Scott, you could email me.
[/quote]
There was a post by Phil some years back where he basically said Leo asked him what he was doing training wise… and that pretty much became the program haha. He took a little bit of creative liberty with it but the 6 day program is strikingly similar to what he used to do.
I’ll send you an email, don’t want to hijack this thread.
C-C,
No, DH is for Disc Hoss. My original moniker. I play disc golf, well I did before all my friends moved away, and the nickname Hoss came from those buddies. I’m 5’9" on a good day and am over 260 so everyone says Im wider than I am tall. “Hoss” just happens to be popular in the Midwest. Just a step above “bubba” or “big feller”. My friends were kind enough to choose hoss.
Now, at the risk of confusing some younger guys, think that one can structure hyperadaptation phases in a number of ways to get the same result. But that is better done (for younger guys anyway) only after you’ve done a full 18 weeks.
I also firmly believe that Supergrowth 1 is fine to be used after any ramp. That being said, we are trying to conduct a group experiment here with the actual BBB template. And I did have crazy gains the first time I used it. So…
I remember that when I left my job at the gym and got married and had my first son, I lost touch with BBB and began to tinker with Poliquin stuff. I had less time to workout and alot more responsibilities. While his stuff was good, I have often wondered what might have been if I’d have stayed on BBB. Nothing ever produced like it. Titan Training and EDT were right up there too. These 3 were fantastic for size, but BBB stood out for the best strength gains. It was almost comical to see a guy who only weighed 170 with a year of experience jump his bench from 205x8 to 315x8 in about 3 months. People were shocked and so was I. I had a permanent grin on my face and couldn’t wait for my next supergrowth phase. I jumped to 190lbs in 4 months.
Now, it is after one has done the full 18 weeks and then done level 2 for 2-3 weeks that, IF advnaced enough, one can begin to create one’s own charts/templates as Leo and Russ suggest. BUT this is only for advanced guys with some size and strength first. You need the experience of the full program to know yourself before you can venture out in this area. So, MODOK and others had really just moved to the next BBB phase so to speak.
DH
The 2nd ramp looks crazy hard.
Experienced guys, did you progress well on this ramp? It wasn’t overtaxing on you?
Email sent DH, I think you are going to get more than you bargained for… I ramble
Im eager to try this program
DC has done nice stuff to my body but after a year of doing it I feel like changing stuff a bit
This will, I think, help me both gain size and strenght but also help me maintain the gains ive had with DC or even push them further.
After running the program, i’ll probably be able to chose between DC and BBB as far as which one I prefer and which one gives me the best results as it can probably vary from one person to another.
In both case, its a win/win situation … I think lol
Having done DC for a whole year will probably help me figuring out the way I should progress and stuff
[quote]Scott M wrote:
Email sent DH, I think you are going to get more than you bargained for… I ramble :)[/quote]
Scott, lets have a competition !
You and I start the program (even if you dont like it that much :P) mid august and we have a progression fight
The winner gets 150$ via paypal ! lol
[quote]MODOK wrote:
Guys, I am so glad that CC and Scott have popped in here. If you read in the other threads, and listen to the discussions that we have, all of these concepts are the very important principles of an overarching set of rules for gaining muscle as fast as possible. It is progression and frequency which are the lynchpins in all of these highly effective programs. Doggcrapp, Hernon’s template, BBB, CC’s template, many others…look at the principles in each of them side by side and you will find the “super secret” ingredient that makes them all so effective…beat your previous lift and then get back in to beat it again as fast as you can.
Now, thats not to short-change all of the effective and interesting nuances to the programs that we have talked about in this thread and many others on here…but if you were to have to boil it down to one sentence, that would be it. I say all that to just remind the newer guys to all these programs and concepts of one thing- its fine to discuss the nuances… but don’t forget what is buttering your bread. Add weight, bust ass, get back in as soon as you can. Thats it! [/quote]
Well Said Modok! I think guys new to the program get bogged down into the finer points regarding exercise selection and ramps without realizing that it all boils down to just getting in the gym and hitting it hard. Always adding weight or reps- alot like DC in that regard.
I also see guys are trying to modify the program here and there. Guys do the whole thing for 18 weeks and see which of the ramps work best for you FIRST!! You can modify things later when you have some sort of idea what worked or didn’t.
Pars
[quote]DH wrote:
Saw where Phil said he based his frequency off of an
Australian study. After some snooping it basically seems Phil is hitting things once every 4 days on a 3-way split. 3on 1off pattern. Push, Pull, legs, off, repeat. I like that. But BBB pushes it a bit more to force overreaching. I dont see how Phils frequency would do that. Is he not using a rebound phase like with BBB. [/quote] He trained with a 2-way over 6 days a week before decreasing the frequency, I believe. Mentioned on the boards that he couldn’t do that anymore, at his age/stage.[quote]
I’m totally fascinated about the history of his involvement with BBB. MODOK was the first I heard of it.
I’d love some more info. If you prefer, Scott, you could email me.
thanks,
DH
As for me, my favorite ramp was always number 1. I used to stick to that one after I finished the 18 week program. [/quote] Yeah, ramp+phase 1 make the most sense to me… And are closest to phil’s stuff, I’d say.