I went to Hooters and watched it, only had to pay for beer and wings, but I still feel fucking ripped off. If it weren’t for titties, the whole night would’ve been a waste.
There is not one question in my mind that had Herb not been in that ring, Shamrock would have been beaten to death in that exchange (hypothetically speaking). The question is, all rules, etc. aside, was it decisive enough at the time it was stopped. This is the thing that will unfortunately haunt both fighters.
Silvia and Arlovski was like watching an amatuer boxing match. Very disappointing.
The biggest thing I came away from that fight was how awesome it was listening to Couture the whole time.
I thought he was great. His commentary on Neer’s head double thumping the canvas was classic.
[quote]EmperialChina wrote:
Arlovski vs. Sylvia sucked equally in an entirely different way.[/quote]
I agree. I mean, did I miss something? Did the UFC transform their bout into a boxing match, and nobody told me? I damn-near fell asleep during their fight.
That fight was an extremely uneventful end to a trilogy.
At least the Ortiz/Shamrock fight had some action - albeit brief.
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
There is not one question in my mind that had Herb not been in that ring, Shamrock would have been beaten to death in that exchange (hypothetically speaking). The question is, all rules, etc. aside, was it decisive enough at the time it was stopped. This is the thing that will unfortunately haunt both fighters.
Silvia and Arlovski was like watching an amatuer boxing match. Very disappointing.
The biggest thing I came away from that fight was how awesome it was listening to Couture the whole time.
I thought he was great. His commentary on Neer’s head double thumping the canvas was classic.[/quote]
I hope the UFC hires Couture to be a full-time commentator.
I, too, was extremely disappointed when the Ortiz/Shamrock fight ended so early. I was really hoping for a longer battle.
The fact of the matter is, the UFC is being monitored very closely by some powerful regulatory commissions. When someone is being beaten down, and doesn’t defend themself, they must stop the fight.
Ortiz landed 5 vicious, unanswered elbows to Shamrock’s head without Shamrock even raising his arms to defend himself. You’ve gotta put yourself in Dean’s shoes: he knows that he must stop a fight if a fighter isn’t intelligently defending himself. And when you watch the replay in normal time, and when you consider that a ref must make split-second decisions, I think the stoppage was definitely justified.
If Shamrock had the wherewithal to jump up and aruge the stoppage, why didn’t he have the wherewithal to cover his head when he was being pounded?
Shamrock was in a severe situation, and he wasn’t defending himself. So I agree with Couture’s sentiment that the stoppage was justified.
Too bad, though. I was hoping for a longer beating from each side.
[quote]Chad Waterbury wrote:
apwsearch wrote:
There is not one question in my mind that had Herb not been in that ring, Shamrock would have been beaten to death in that exchange (hypothetically speaking). The question is, all rules, etc. aside, was it decisive enough at the time it was stopped. This is the thing that will unfortunately haunt both fighters.
Silvia and Arlovski was like watching an amatuer boxing match. Very disappointing.
The biggest thing I came away from that fight was how awesome it was listening to Couture the whole time.
I thought he was great. His commentary on Neer’s head double thumping the canvas was classic.
I hope the UFC hires Couture to be a full-time commentator. [/quote]
Yes, me too, he’s just a natural at it!
[quote]slimjim wrote:
I think Arlovski genuinely thought he was ahead on the scorecards in that last round because he didn’t press at all…oh well, the HW division is weak, I don’t know who the hell they’re going to put in there with Sylvia next, Frank Mir? Monson is a beast, but very boring and probably unable to take Sylvia down. Vera is too unseasoned to put in there, but I’ll bet he’d be willing. I just don’t know what they plan on doing.
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Monson lost to Forrest Griffin in the beginning of Forrest’s UFC career. Not too impressive.
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I hope the UFC hires Couture to be a full-time commentator. [/quote]
…shooot, I like Joe Rogan’s commentary, he works well with Goldberg, AND, is actually pretty knowledgable about the sport.
[quote]Chad Waterbury wrote:
Shamrock was in a severe situation, and he wasn’t defending himself. So I agree with Couture’s sentiment that the stoppage was justified.
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If you listen closely to Couture’s initial reaction, he actually thought Herb Dean jumped in too quick (handy dandy DVR) 
After a couple minutes, he began to change his mind…
makes me think…
[quote]BuZu wrote:
I hope the UFC hires Couture to be a full-time commentator.
…shooot, I like Joe Rogan’s commentary, he works well with Goldberg, AND, is actually pretty knowledgable about the sport.
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Yeah, I think Rogan does a good job, too. But it was nice to hear Couture. I mean, some of the guys they’ve had sit in to commentate where like listening to chirping birds.
[quote]carter12 wrote:
I went to Hooters and watched it, only had to pay for beer and wings, but I still feel fucking ripped off. If it weren’t for titties, the whole night would’ve been a waste.
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Ha! Well put.
[quote]Chad Waterbury wrote:
I, too, was extremely disappointed when the Ortiz/Shamrock fight ended so early. I was really hoping for a longer battle.
The fact of the matter is, the UFC is being monitored very closely by some powerful regulatory commissions. When someone is being beaten down, and doesn’t defend themself, they must stop the fight.
Ortiz landed 5 vicious, unanswered elbows to Shamrock’s head without Shamrock even raising his arms to defend himself. You’ve gotta put yourself in Dean’s shoes: he knows that he must stop a fight if a fighter isn’t intelligently defending himself. And when you watch the replay in normal time, and when you consider that a ref must make split-second decisions, I think the stoppage was definitely justified.
If Shamrock had the wherewithal to jump up and aruge the stoppage, why didn’t he have the wherewithal to cover his head when he was being pounded?
Shamrock was in a severe situation, and he wasn’t defending himself. So I agree with Couture’s sentiment that the stoppage was justified.
Too bad, though. I was hoping for a longer beating from each side. [/quote]
My thoughts exactly. And I also agree with CW that I’d like to see Couture as a regular commentator. I thought he was very good. I don’t mind Rogan but sometimes he gets too wild and misses some of the action, so he can sway viewers into seeing a fight one way when in actuality, it was much closer than what he made it out to be. The Bonnar-Jardine fight comes to mind as an example.
The bar I watched this at appeared to be pretty aware of who Silva was as the place exploded when he and Liddell had their staredown. I can’t wait for that fight and for Ortiz to then fight the winner for the LHW title.
With Pride’s TV situation, it makes sense for them to work with UFC right now…don’t know how long it will last but the exposure will be good, especially if the HW are added to some cards.
Monson lost to Griffin in the middle of an 8-fight win streak for Forrest, during which he also beat the likes of Travis Fulton, Chael Sonnen, and Braga, and this was in his first 10 pro fights. Not exactly ‘unimpressive’, IMO.
Nice comments guys (memorable ones from Waterbury as well), it has widen my perspective a bit. I understand the position Herb Dean is in, and the fact that the UFC has gone from a barely any rules, almost outlawed organization to a cautiously monitored sport, which I think at times can be far too cautious.
This just makes a third rematch between Shamrock and Ortiz all the more viable whether that is good or bad.
I am not sure why Tim Sylvia is saying he “whooped Arlovski’s ass for 25 mintues”, I mean he barely came away with a win from the judges. But I like Sylvia personality.
The funniest thing is Sylvia is saying that “Fedor is a tiny little shit” and he would probably easily beat him, and match up easily to the PrideFC guys? Hahahaha, I think Fedor to non-PrideFC fans is highly underated he is an amazing figher. But time is right he is 8" taller.
Here is the Sylvia video interview post-fight. Sylvia at least appreciates his belt.
[quote]MaloVerde wrote:
Did you hear the crowd reaction when Dana White announced Wanderlai? I swear I could hear crickets in the background. They had no idea who the hell he was. I do think it was a bad move to announce a fight that would take place IF Liddel beats Babalu in his next fight. I bet Babalu is really happy that Dana White is already throwing him to the side as a loser. Sort of takes the steam out of that PPV.
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Great point, most of the “fans” in attendance are hardly MMA fans, at least the ones in the front besides maybe actual fighters who are there. They keep showing the drunk 29 year-old casino owners and their floozy tits-out-of-shirt girlfriends screaming into the camera…lol.
Even as much as that sucked it beats watching Baseball. Lol. I thought they would do more with the entrances but seem to be spending more money on graphics for their commerical than the fighters entrances. Oh well enough complaining, it’s still a great sport, but PrideFC has its nuthuggers for a very good reason.
[quote]Chad Waterbury wrote:
Yeah, I think Rogan does a good job, too. But it was nice to hear Couture. I mean, some of the guys they’ve had sit in to commentate where like listening to chirping birds. [/quote]
Randy Couture is the most likable guy in MMA. The reason why is because you know he is genuinely a nice and good guy, he just exhudes that aura. Plus he knows what to say and not to under or over hype anything that comes out of his mouth.
I agree Rogan is very good. [ass kissing on]By the way Chad great article on training (“Hammer Down”) for MMA athletes, fantastic stuff. [/ass kissing off] Hell, man just about every one of your articles is ingenius, to the point that if you subscribed to the idea of rubbing peanut butter on your ass before workouts, 99% of T-nationers would by virtue of Waterbury Law! 
Did you see George St. Pierre’s face when he was told that he was the best “…except for Matt Hughes” he looked pissed. GSP is great.
I agree with all the comments about Couture. He’s a man who commands my admiration. Rogan is obviously very excited about MMA, but he just can’t match up to Randy when it comes to insightful commentary.
I will never buy a UFC PPV again! What pisses me off is the fact I only saw 5 fights and was under the impression I was paying for 9. I rather watch an Ultimate fight night which contains 70% commercials, than watch Slyvia and Arlovski dance around the octagon for 25 minuntes. I don’t know if UFC 61 just put a bad taste in my mouth, but it seems like a lot of the main events blow.
[quote]Chad Waterbury wrote:
I, too, was extremely disappointed when the Ortiz/Shamrock fight ended so early. I was really hoping for a longer battle.
The fact of the matter is, the UFC is being monitored very closely by some powerful regulatory commissions. When someone is being beaten down, and doesn’t defend themself, they must stop the fight.
Ortiz landed 5 vicious, unanswered elbows to Shamrock’s head without Shamrock even raising his arms to defend himself. You’ve gotta put yourself in Dean’s shoes: he knows that he must stop a fight if a fighter isn’t intelligently defending himself. And when you watch the replay in normal time, and when you consider that a ref must make split-second decisions, I think the stoppage was definitely justified.
If Shamrock had the wherewithal to jump up and aruge the stoppage, why didn’t he have the wherewithal to cover his head when he was being pounded?
Shamrock was in a severe situation, and he wasn’t defending himself. So I agree with Couture’s sentiment that the stoppage was justified.
Too bad, though. I was hoping for a longer beating from each side. [/quote]
Yes, the UFC is being monitored by some heavy duty regs but I am not so sure that the blows that Shamrock took were all that severe. They certainly looked bad, perhaps worse than they actually were.
My thinking is that, sure, he got hit, but they obviously didn’t affect him that much, despite how bad they looked, hence, the getting up so quickly. Maybe, too, that is why he wasn’t defending himself. I don’t know. It would have been nice to see him do SOMETHING, either with his hands/arms or legs. Who knows, maybe he was getting hit with the meaty part of Tito’s forearm, maybe they were hitting Shamrock’s “sweet spot” (that rock hard part of the forehead that can break 2x4’s and bricks), or maybe he was out and just didn’t know it (bad situation).
I do know, by the sounds of things, virtually everyone thinks that it got stopped too quickly. Changes have to be made. Again, I don’t have all the answers. I mentioned earlier something like a standing 8. How about a standing 3. Break up the combatants, check the fighter, if he doesn’t get up, or is slow (the "standing 3 count), show’s over. If, however, he does get up and is somewhat coherent/conscious, continue from the standing position. That is where this fight would have gone.
Yes, it takes the advantage away from the guy on top. If the other guy can continue, like Shamrock appeared capable of, then we get our moneys (sp?) worth, the fighters are content to move on and their is no controversy.
The downside is that this has gone from No Holds Barred to a lot of rules. Is that a good thing or bad thing. The answer, unfortunately, is Yes.
Anyway, some more thoughts that I’ve had. Still don’t know the answers.
I dont understand why so many people thought they were getting every single fight. Did everyone just gloss over where it said “may not be broadcast” on the website?