[quote]Robert A wrote:
My apologies to Blaze, because my response below is pretty much the opposite of “one thing that changed everything”, it’s “same rules as last year”.
[quote]nighthawkz wrote:
[quote]MWP wrote:
[quote]nighthawkz wrote:
As a guy who is currently doing a fair amount of BJJ: competition BJJ is not directly useful for self defense/street scenarios. What it will give you, though, is an understanding about joint manipulation, timing and strategy.[/quote]
Our BJJ program is really structured more toward self defense/street application with competition second. We do train tournament BJJ but my primary focus is knowing what the heck I need to do to get back to my feet if I am ever on the ground. If it’s a sub, a sweep, or whatever, my goal is to get back to a standing position. Too many bad things can happen out of your control on the ground.[/quote]
I agree; which is why I said ‘competition BJJ’. I think Irish once said that boxing and judo would make for a nice SD combo; I agree.
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I think BJJ is giving you a hell of a lot more than just “joint manipulation, timing, and strategy.”
I toe the party line with the idea that rolling around on the floor in “dry hump” range is a very bad plan A. It is however a pretty common place to end up when things go purely to hell. MWP’s statement about using his tools to get back to the feet is gold in my opinion.
I am also going to offer up that while “weapons” are usually sighted as being exceptionally problomatic on the ground my experience in training such things is that position matters a hell of a lot to being able to draw and use the weapons you are carrying and to fuck up the other guy’s attempts to do the same. In fact, the positions that favor you in an “armed environment” match up with the classic BJJ hierarchy.
I am not saying that a knife or gun will not wreck your shit, just that you have a better chance of having a happy ending to your story(instead of you being the happy ending for some mortician who’s kid needs braces) if you can get into a good position. Some folks in this thread may think that is lunacy, but I invite them to grab a blue gun for their holster or a drone knife and see how it shakes out.
Not that every, or even most BJJ schools practice or have interest in such things.
Another observation: I am not going to point fingers at anyone specific, but a few of you are about a cunt hair away from falling into the “I’ll just” trap. And I am going to say “I’ll just” never gets it done.
“I don’t need to worry about boxers. I’ll just kick 'em in the balls”
“I don’t need to worry about clinching with a nak muay. I’ll just choke and headbutt.”
“I don’t need to worry about grapplers. I’ll just gouge/bite.”
“I don’t need to worry about getting out struck. I’ll just take them down.”
“I don’t have to fight. I’ll just shoot them.”
This shit never works out. Generally you have to have the fundamentals down before bringing the dirty/nasty/banned from competition stuff is going to do a whole lot of good. Getting off the groin kick when you are eating jabs and straights doesn’t seem to happen. Trying to butt when you are getting ragdolled and kneed is a tall order. Gouging and biting works a hell of a lot better WITH control and position than without. Taking down someone when you are already on queer street is a tall order. It is way, way easier to draw when you have space and time.
Unfortunately, there are no free rides. People who practice accomplishing something tend to be better at it. It is important that we all resolve to be brutal enough, soon enough. However aggression alone is not cruise control to victory. It is skillfull application of technique coupled with that brutality that gives the best chance.
Same rules as last year.
I wish I had something profound for this thread…I don’t. Maybe I have something useful though.
The Bloody Mary is the greatest of cocktails. Recipe available upon request.
Don’t pull your head back right after delivering a butt.
Getting a “master grip” on your weapon is very important to getting it into the fight. This is a huge weakness for pocket holsters and folding knives because the master grip often happens at the end of the draw.
Check your oil, coolant, and wiper fluid every time you get gas.
I dash of salt in a large mug or a pinch of salt in the grounds can go a long way to “smoothing” out cheap coffee. Less is more here.
When using joint locks in a “no ref” situation, the first pop and then a scream doesn’t mean it’s over. It is just like the first pop with a glow stick. Now all the shaking and twisting will yield results.
Carry a small flashlight.
When going for takedowns on the street a.)try to be on top b.)your hard parts go in their soft parts. These are also the rules for drunken hotel sex.
The above was mostly learned through my own failings. The caution about drunken hotel sex is a story I can only tell drunk.
I am not a subject matter expert so I could well be wrong about this stuff…but not about the Bloody Marys.
Regards,
Robert A
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I enjoyed this post. I learned a little, and lol’d a little, and agreed with a whole lot. In my limited experience of the grappling arts, a half decent wrestler can make even the queerest cuddle an excruciating experience, and that’s before any kind of (pro)creative use of digits, limbs or organs. In all seriousness though, you can’t read posts from guys like you, KCMNYC, Sento etc and not appreciate the very real potential well executed grappling moves posses to cause crippling damage.
I would say that personally from a sport perspective I have never seen the attraction of rolling around on the floor with a sweaty bloke, when you can just as well punch him in the teeth. That’s not to say it’s any better or worse, but I do think (again, from a sporting perspective) that it probably attracts different personalities. Based on nothing more than idle anecdote, strikers in my experience tend to be naturally more pugnacious and aggressive than grapplers. Not that either of those things is necessarily an advantage in being a victorious fighter.
The butting point is an excellent one. I was loitering outside a bar a few years back, and some wanker from another group of lads headbutted the head doorman. Unfortunately for him, he pulled his head straight back, and his butt hadn’t done the damage it could have done, so he got a swinging right he never saw coming on the point of his jaw from an enraged, 240lbs former prizefighter, and a kicking followed while his mates all left him and ran.
