[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
[quote]nighthawkz wrote:
(I’m not French, just for the record)[/quote]
It is a good thing you cleared that up. I tend to assume the worst about people. [/quote]
Lol. What’s wrong with French People?
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Very difficult to know where to start on that one.
[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
[quote]nighthawkz wrote:
[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
[quote]nighthawkz wrote:
(I’m not French, just for the record)[/quote]
It is a good thing you cleared that up. I tend to assume the worst about people. [/quote]
That would hurt coming from a Londoner. I lived in Leyton for a while around 2010-11.
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Ye? You’re just a gunshot down the road from me then. I grew up between Shoreditch and Upper Clapton. [/quote]
Used to. I was close to Bakers Arms; right now I don’t even live in the UK.
If Humble thinks that what’s going on in a bjj and wrestling practice is love making (gay, straight, or donkey) then wow do I feel sorry for the woman he has chained in the basement. Hint–she doesn’t like it being choked out or having her joints wrenched to the point of agony. It just isn’t s sexy fun as you seem to think it is.
I really started this post thinking Humble & cohorts were typical ass clowns who think they can’t be taken down, think wrestlers grapple for pent-up sexual release, that ‘if anyone tries and shoots on me I’ll punch down’ blah blah etc, etc.–all the tired crap the first 8 or so UFCs (not what it is now) put to the lie and very quickly.
But I then read more and I realized, yes his internet persona is that of a knuckle dragging, homophobic, ass hat—but he was and is right about what’s going on in mma AND the sub-culture of tatt’s, speech, dress, that’s sprung up around it is just pure ass clown. Like Krav Maga before it and like some of the uglier TMA (ugly as in wound, main, kill training) dating all the way back to the early 70’s—it’s become a business and it’s been watered down to keep as many people as possible in the gym contracts.
As for “aha moments”
The Gracies famously said (I paraphrase not quote) “it’s better to know 5 moves 100% then 500 moves 1%” or something along those lines. Bruce Lee famously said [paraphrase] “I’m not afraid of a man whose practiced 10,000 kicks once–but I am afraid of a man who has practiced 1 kick 10,000 times”
The lesson is simple and obvious. Boxing CAN be reduced. Muay Thai CAN be reduced. Wrestling CAN be reduced. They can be distilled down to a very few gross motor skills that can be repeated endlessly until it is impossible to un-learn them even if you tried.
MMA? Their whole game is that they have the whole game. That’s a whole lot of “whole” to master.
I’m a grappler, by instinct. I watched an after school fight where these two kids with huge hearts and huge balls stood toe to toe and swung for the fences and beat each others’ face to hamburger. I honestly think it went on for a half hour which is a lifetime in an after school match fight. One of them ‘won’–sort of, he looked a little better when they broke it up. It struck me as a stupid way to fight where the winner was barely looking any better than the looser.
Moral? The guy who’d “won” a week later had healed enough to feel his oats and flipped some shit to a friend of the guy he “beat” who happened to be the 1st varsity 155lbs on the HS wrestling team (you see where I’m going, don’t you). The big tough, big heart-ed, big balled striker took his stance in the parking lot. The wrestler drove him straight down, sat on his chest and lift his punching hand over the helpless fighter’s face–who promptly said “uncle”. This struck me as more efficient–but it might have just been my latent homosexuality coming out.
Something clicked. I joined the wrestling team. Later when I saw a standing collar choke in a crowded bar something else clicked.
I went to basic training. They taught us an absolutely rudimentary hip toss/ankle trip/clothes line move to be followed by much skull stomping. The final click.
Boxing techniques rock in a crowded bar when you’re within speaking distance (because you have to talk shit before brawling, it’s the rule, right?). At that point a man who has mastered a jaw hook or uppercut is going to end that fight in a heartbeat provided he punches first.
They take the fight out to the parking lot for a match contest? He better pray the kid he’s trying to KO didn’t wrestle (or is gay because I think they’re synonymous) because UFC’s 1-8 or already showed us what’s going to happen.
BUT–if you can get your opponent on the ground while you’re still standing and then proceed to deal the hate? That’s as good as it gets.
[quote]pulphero wrote:
If Humble thinks that what’s going on in a bjj and wrestling practice is love making (gay, straight, or donkey) then wow do I feel sorry for the woman he has chained in the basement. Hint–she doesn’t like it being choked out or having her joints wrenched to the point of agony. It just isn’t s sexy fun as you seem to think it is.
I really started this post thinking Humble & cohorts were typical ass clowns who think they can’t be taken down, think wrestlers grapple for pent-up sexual release, that ‘if anyone tries and shoots on me I’ll punch down’ blah blah etc, etc.–all the tired crap the first 8 or so UFCs (not what it is now) put to the lie and very quickly.
But I then read more and I realized, yes his internet persona is that of a knuckle dragging, homophobic, ass hat—but he was and is right about what’s going on in mma AND the sub-culture of tatt’s, speech, dress, that’s sprung up around it is just pure ass clown. Like Krav Maga before it and like some of the uglier TMA (ugly as in wound, main, kill training) dating all the way back to the early 70’s—it’s become a business and it’s been watered down to keep as many people as possible in the gym contracts.
As for “aha moments”
The Gracies famously said (I paraphrase not quote) “it’s better to know 5 moves 100% then 500 moves 1%” or something along those lines. Bruce Lee famously said [paraphrase] “I’m not afraid of a man whose practiced 10,000 kicks once–but I am afraid of a man who has practiced 1 kick 10,000 times”
The lesson is simple and obvious. Boxing CAN be reduced. Muay Thai CAN be reduced. Wrestling CAN be reduced. They can be distilled down to a very few gross motor skills that can be repeated endlessly until it is impossible to un-learn them even if you tried.
MMA? Their whole game is that they have the whole game. That’s a whole lot of “whole” to master.
I’m a grappler, by instinct. I watched an after school fight where these two kids with huge hearts and huge balls stood toe to toe and swung for the fences and beat each others’ face to hamburger. I honestly think it went on for a half hour which is a lifetime in an after school match fight. One of them ‘won’–sort of, he looked a little better when they broke it up. It struck me as a stupid way to fight where the winner was barely looking any better than the looser.
Moral? The guy who’d “won” a week later had healed enough to feel his oats and flipped some shit to a friend of the guy he “beat” who happened to be the 1st varsity 155lbs on the HS wrestling team (you see where I’m going, don’t you). The big tough, big heart-ed, big balled striker took his stance in the parking lot. The wrestler drove him straight down, sat on his chest and lift his punching hand over the helpless fighter’s face–who promptly said “uncle”. This struck me as more efficient–but it might have just been my latent homosexuality coming out.
Something clicked. I joined the wrestling team. Later when I saw a standing collar choke in a crowded bar something else clicked.
I went to basic training. They taught us an absolutely rudimentary hip toss/ankle trip/clothes line move to be followed by much skull stomping. The final click.
Boxing techniques rock in a crowded bar when you’re within speaking distance (because you have to talk shit before brawling, it’s the rule, right?). At that point a man who has mastered a jaw hook or uppercut is going to end that fight in a heartbeat provided he punches first.
They take the fight out to the parking lot for a match contest? He better pray the kid he’s trying to KO didn’t wrestle (or is gay because I think they’re synonymous) because UFC’s 1-8 or already showed us what’s going to happen.
BUT–if you can get your opponent on the ground while you’re still standing and then proceed to deal the hate? That’s as good as it gets. [/quote]
just gay
Your pic is so gay compared to my pic
It’s pretty gay to cherry pick a single photo caught in a single moment in time and attempt to use that as an example of "that’s how a real [insert martial art] does his [insert real martial art]. Honestly the fighter catching that kick could have thrown a right cross and knocked the kicker out in the very next frame–we’ll never know. So such attempts at google image ‘proof’ are gay.
I mean not David Bowie gay, not Elton John gay, or Liberace gay–but them all three in bed with Ru Paul gay. Anyone on this forum can find some awesome pick of some technique of their art working really well (and I say that having much love ((gay love of course)) for MT) but it proves shit all.
Try that wide swinging kick against a boxer from 18 inches away in a crowded night club. The resulting photo will look like an outtake from the Hangover. Much less try to get the rag doll on a old hand dirty boxer.
Modern mma has morphed into something that is hard not to notice as not exactly what it once was. Very true.
But history shows us the the Gracies gave the Thai’s their shot against BJJ in No Holds Barred. M-T has to learn to live with the fact that they got a lot of gay smeared on 'em.
I don’t mean gay smear like peanut-butter on bread, I mean full super homo baby oil on two gay contestants of the Biggest Looser gay smeared.
M-T is one of the big 4 and all would do well to respect and practice some aspect of it, or at least understand what’s coming at you. But this whole striker vs. grappler argument is almost 20 years old now and nothing has changed for the strikers since UFC 1.
It’s gay to be in that kind of denial.
I will note again however—a large % of “mixed martial artists” are mostly just full sleeve tats, Tap Out gear and mean looking facial hair.
Would they last in a 6 month Bangkok MT camp?(you notice they keep the cock right there in the name?) the answer is; no. Would they last through a mini-boot camp at an old school Bronx boxing gym? No. Could they make it through wrestling practice at even a division 3 school? Don’t make me laugh, they’d be puking in 20 minutes.
But these are the guys who suck at their mma schools as well. It’s just that they have more sub-culture ID tags to target them as “mma” fighters than other fighting sports do so they’re easier to pick out and mock.
And anyone who disagrees with me is gay. Really gay. Like Turkish prison butt sex gay. Or Aussie gay which is queen of gay.
[quote]pulphero wrote:
Or Aussie gay which is queen of gay.[/quote]
Oh no you didnt bitch!
[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
[quote]pulphero wrote:
Or Aussie gay which is queen of gay.[/quote]
Oh no you didnt bitch![/quote]
[quote]Aussie Davo wrote:
[quote]pulphero wrote:
Or Aussie gay which is queen of gay.[/quote]
Oh no you didnt bitch![/quote]
Sick em Dave!
[quote]pulphero wrote:
Try that wide swinging kick against a boxer from 18 inches away in a crowded night club. [/quote]
Crowded nightclub? No problem.
Two of your own demonstrate how.
Where’s your shot when I’m laying bottles and elbows in the top of your head?
[quote]humble wrote:
[quote]pulphero wrote:
Try that wide swinging kick against a boxer from 18 inches away in a crowded night club. [/quote]
Crowded nightclub? No problem.
Two of your own demonstrate how.
Where’s your shot when I’m laying bottles and elbows in the top of your head?
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If we could please agree that both grappling and striking have their place in street fights? There’s a reason all serious RMA’s teach both. trying to grab a guy while he’s planting elbows is stupid, so is relying on your knee kick while your opponent is tying up a nice guillotine choke. To be honest, I can’t decide which one is more scary.
Christ–I just though Humble was Aussie. LOL. I take it all back. I also agree striking and grappling both have awesome places in your arsenal. I just can’t believe 20 years after Royce settled the question we still have people insisting the world is flat. The fact that there’s an influx of less than awe-inspiring mma wannabes roaming out streets is something Humble and I agree on.
But no, Humble–I’m not going to get in a super (but not Aussie) gay google/youtube pic hunt.
That’s gay. And even as gay as you are you have to realize there’s a pic or clip of every move from every system included bullshido’s galore “working”.
And again–there’s the problem of the “moment in time” aspect. Every single shot that made the MT guy look good could very easily have been captured from fights they lost.
The first No Holds Barred contests settled the disputes from a match fight view (not nightclub, battlefield, or gang jump) situation and at the end of those no one was talking much about about MT–and for good reason.
It’s still one of the big 4 still deserves respect. And I do though. Though I have no idea how you guys train actually up to attack people with beer bottles in your drills. That sounds gay. Like not even One Direction gay, but actual Adam Lampert gay.
EDIT: you’ve also got to give more colorful examples of “gay”. Your repeated “that’s gay” makes me feel like I’m chatting with a slow individual–jazz it up, guy. Unless the MT training has left your vocabulary stunted already. Give me some jokes man, some zing. I’m rope-a-doping you on the gay shots.
Gay this gay that- what’s happening in this thread?
jiu jitsu fags
I surrender. I love MT, I love BJJ, but knuckleheads will be knuckleheads.
OUT
[quote]pulphero wrote:
Your pic is so gay compared to my pic
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And anyone who disagrees with me is gay. Really gay. Like Turkish prison butt sex gay. Or Aussie gay which is queen of gay.[/quote]
Mmmm… why does that picture turn me on somehow?
Things those girls and I will do together… a lot of rolling, grappling, striking… pounding… mmmm… so gay and so hot… oh yeah…
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Gay this gay that- what’s happening in this thread?[/quote]
Coming Out Thread?
Whatever is happening, let’s blame Blaze for it.
Anyone have his e-mail?
Regards,
Robert A
[quote]Ranzo wrote:
jiu jitsu fags[/quote]
Awesome.
In the interest of comedy:
Joking aside there is nothing gay about jiu jitsu. The very practice of it pretty much demands that you not think/worry about stuff like that. If someone who doesn’t train sees it they may joke, but the people with more experience just roll their eyes.
I remember one time where a guys cup kept poking and rubbing me when I was in his guard, or when he would tap me with a triangle. I was pretty damn inexperienced and sort joked/complained about it being jammed into my face/neck. He just said “Dude, it’s my cup. Deal with it.” And I did. Just part of the game.
Sure it was confusing then, because I wasn’t used to it. I was also confused because when we all done training and were changing in the locker room, I didn’t see him wearing a cup. I mean, I wasn’t paying HUGE attention. But, it looked like he was just wearing boxer shorts. Which was odd…because I felt it. And he said it was his cup, but there was no cup.
And I was confused…and felt like I really wanted to shower…
I didn’t see a cup.
No Cup.
Regards,
Robert A
[quote]Robert A wrote:
[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Gay this gay that- what’s happening in this thread?[/quote]
Coming Out Thread?
Whatever is happening, let’s blame Blaze for it.
Anyone have his e-mail?
Regards,
Robert A[/quote]
Today I learned that every combat sport is gay and we’re all gay.
[quote]Robert A wrote:
. I was also confused because when we all done training and were changing in the locker room, I didn’t see him wearing a cup. I mean, I wasn’t paying HUGE attention. But, it looked like he was just wearing boxer shorts. Which was odd…because I felt it. And he said it was his cup, but there was no cup.
And I was confused…and felt like I really wanted to shower…
I didn’t see a cup.
No Cup.
Regards,
Robert A[/quote]
Hahahahahahahahaha!!! Fucking awesome!
You really had to look at his cup, uh? You just couldn’t help yourself checking it out, could you?
You just couldn’t resist… 