One Thing that Changed Everything

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[quote]humble wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Taking someone down makes them a bitch because they won’t stand and fight? OK. So if your choices are stand and get KOed by someone twice your size who then goes on to rape your wife and kill your kids or, take him down and end up keeping your family safe, you are a bitch if you don’t say, “screw my family. I am going to fight ‘like a man’” ?

By that logic US soldiers are pussies because they wear body armor even though their enemies probably don’t. [/quote]

Yes. Fighting like a man means you don’t particularily enjoy another mans hands anywhere near you let alone their legs, chest, abdomen and worse as others have mentioned, their balls in your face.

Quite simply it means you’re not into gay love, hugging it out, rolling around in the hay with men and shit. Put your body parts near me and I will rip them off with my fucking teeth to teach you a lesson.

So, fighting like a man means hitting the other guy first, fast and hard to stop them turning into a gay cunt and holding on to you with all their faggot love disguised as MMA technique.

So, my experience has been that most guys who ‘take it to the ground’ take it up the ass too. They’re bitches. They cannot cop a smack in the teeth or the humiliation of being knocked out. Hurts too much physically and mostly emotionally. So they will resort to homosexual means to save face. That my friend is the anti-thesis of a man. A man will take what is coming to him. Whether it be a busted eye socket, broken nose or missing teeth. He’ll get up and tell the story to his grandchildren in years to come of how he lost his tooth or why his nose is crooked.

I don’t want to be telling my children my ears look like shit because I used to hug men a lot.

Your US soldier similitude is stupid. Can’t even be compared and you don’t want to hear what I have to say about all soldiers. You’ll cry and judging by your love of hugging men, I don’t think you can stay mature enough once you hear my take on all of them, world wide.

Now, you just pumped me up. Gonna go find a gym to train on some MMA fags[/quote]
What I gather from your post is that you carefully select who you fight.

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[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Taking someone down makes them a bitch because they won’t stand and fight? OK. So if your choices are stand and get KOed by someone twice your size who then goes on to rape your wife and kill your kids or, take him down and end up keeping your family safe, you are a bitch if you don’t say, “screw my family. I am going to fight ‘like a man’” ?

By that logic US soldiers are pussies because they wear body armor even though their enemies probably don’t. [/quote]

Must everything with you turn into a “BJJ vs. The World” thread?[/quote]
Did I mention BJJ? I’m just asking what does “fighting like a man” actually mean? Is it about techniques or attitude?

[/quote]

Fighting like a man means not at any point having another man’s balls resting on your chin, or his taint in one or more of your nostrils. [/quote]
So it’s about who is the catcher and who is the pitcher?

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[quote]humble wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Taking someone down makes them a bitch because they won’t stand and fight? OK. So if your choices are stand and get KOed by someone twice your size who then goes on to rape your wife and kill your kids or, take him down and end up keeping your family safe, you are a bitch if you don’t say, “screw my family. I am going to fight ‘like a man’” ?

By that logic US soldiers are pussies because they wear body armor even though their enemies probably don’t. [/quote]

Yes. Fighting like a man means you don’t particularily enjoy another mans hands anywhere near you let alone their legs, chest, abdomen and worse as others have mentioned, their balls in your face.

Quite simply it means you’re not into gay love, hugging it out, rolling around in the hay with men and shit. Put your body parts near me and I will rip them off with my fucking teeth to teach you a lesson.

So, fighting like a man means hitting the other guy first, fast and hard to stop them turning into a gay cunt and holding on to you with all their faggot love disguised as MMA technique.

So, my experience has been that most guys who ‘take it to the ground’ take it up the ass too. They’re bitches. They cannot cop a smack in the teeth or the humiliation of being knocked out. Hurts too much physically and mostly emotionally. So they will resort to homosexual means to save face. That my friend is the anti-thesis of a man. A man will take what is coming to him. Whether it be a busted eye socket, broken nose or missing teeth. He’ll get up and tell the story to his grandchildren in years to come of how he lost his tooth or why his nose is crooked.

I don’t want to be telling my children my ears look like shit because I used to hug men a lot.

Your US soldier similitude is stupid. Can’t even be compared and you don’t want to hear what I have to say about all soldiers. You’ll cry and judging by your love of hugging men, I don’t think you can stay mature enough once you hear my take on all of them, world wide.

Now, you just pumped me up. Gonna go find a gym to train on some MMA fags[/quote]

Christ, someone’s afraid of gay people…

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[quote]nighthawkz wrote:

[quote]humble wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Taking someone down makes them a bitch because they won’t stand and fight? OK. So if your choices are stand and get KOed by someone twice your size who then goes on to rape your wife and kill your kids or, take him down and end up keeping your family safe, you are a bitch if you don’t say, “screw my family. I am going to fight ‘like a man’” ?

By that logic US soldiers are pussies because they wear body armor even though their enemies probably don’t. [/quote]

Yes. Fighting like a man means you don’t particularily enjoy another mans hands anywhere near you let alone their legs, chest, abdomen and worse as others have mentioned, their balls in your face.

Quite simply it means you’re not into gay love, hugging it out, rolling around in the hay with men and shit. Put your body parts near me and I will rip them off with my fucking teeth to teach you a lesson.

So, fighting like a man means hitting the other guy first, fast and hard to stop them turning into a gay cunt and holding on to you with all their faggot love disguised as MMA technique.

So, my experience has been that most guys who ‘take it to the ground’ take it up the ass too. They’re bitches. They cannot cop a smack in the teeth or the humiliation of being knocked out. Hurts too much physically and mostly emotionally. So they will resort to homosexual means to save face. That my friend is the anti-thesis of a man. A man will take what is coming to him. Whether it be a busted eye socket, broken nose or missing teeth. He’ll get up and tell the story to his grandchildren in years to come of how he lost his tooth or why his nose is crooked.

I don’t want to be telling my children my ears look like shit because I used to hug men a lot.

Your US soldier similitude is stupid. Can’t even be compared and you don’t want to hear what I have to say about all soldiers. You’ll cry and judging by your love of hugging men, I don’t think you can stay mature enough once you hear my take on all of them, world wide.

Now, you just pumped me up. Gonna go find a gym to train on some MMA fags[/quote]

Christ, someone’s afraid of gay people…
[/quote]
Or he has PTSD from having another man’s balls on his chin.

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Just for the record, I like humble. But I strongly dislike his homophobic slurs and disrespectful comments against grappling. THIS, to me, is unacceptable behaviour for a grown man.

Things I’ve learned… Oh boy.

Aikido looks pretty but you have to properly train it for decades to make it useful for self defence.

Street violence happens FAST. And no, the guy won’t let you grab his wrist after he’s tried to punch or stab you.

Grapplers love to attack your feet if the tournament rules allow it.

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[quote]humble wrote:

Yes. Fighting like a man means you don’t particularily enjoy another mans hands anywhere near you let alone their legs, chest, abdomen and worse as others have mentioned, their balls in your face.

Quite simply it means you’re not into gay love, hugging it out, rolling around in the hay with men and shit. Put your body parts near me and I will rip them off with my fucking teeth to teach you a lesson.

So, fighting like a man means hitting the other guy first, fast and hard to stop them turning into a gay cunt and holding on to you with all their faggot love disguised as MMA technique.

So, my experience has been that most guys who ‘take it to the ground’ take it up the ass too. They’re bitches. They cannot cop a smack in the teeth or the humiliation of being knocked out. Hurts too much physically and mostly emotionally. So they will resort to homosexual means to save face. That my friend is the anti-thesis of a man. A man will take what is coming to him. Whether it be a busted eye socket, broken nose or missing teeth. He’ll get up and tell the story to his grandchildren in years to come of how he lost his tooth or why his nose is crooked.

I don’t want to be telling my children my ears look like shit because I used to hug men a lot.

Your US soldier similitude is stupid. Can’t even be compared and you don’t want to hear what I have to say about all soldiers. You’ll cry and judging by your love of hugging men, I don’t think you can stay mature enough once you hear my take on all of them, world wide.

Now, you just pumped me up. Gonna go find a gym to train on some MMA fags[/quote]

LMFAO!!

Jesus fucking Christ!

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As for the OP:

-Judo is fucking awesome but you need to learn how to strike too.

-Boxing/Kickboxing with men and allowing them to be ruthless with me so I’d get used to the pain.

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[quote]Ranzo wrote:

I would love to hear your thoughts on soldiers and MMA

[/quote]
Perhaps, in private.

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For the record, we call anything non masculine ‘faggot’ like and ‘gay’ in Australia with all the added colloquialisms and colourful descriptions and metaphors.

Homophobia is a voted upon bullshit psychiatric disorder voted into the dsm (diagnostic and statistics manual of mental disorders) by a bunch of guys who literally go into a room and vote on what the new diseases they will introduce into the manual will be, year in and year out. As you can guess, all for profit and political leverage.

It entails I have some underlying fear of homosexuals in it’s most basic premise without the myriad of psychosocial innuendo they add to it.

For the record, I am not afraid of homosexuals at all. I’d knock a homo out as badly as I would knock out a straight person. No inequality there. Same love to both.

I do however as a personal belief not condone or support it.

I do not however ever gay bash, hurt them by denigrating them as humans or have ever campaigned, signed a petition against them or remotely gone out of my way to suggest that I am a psychopath with an agenda against homosexuals.

So I don’t buy into your ‘you’re a homophobe’ bullying and throwing around of the word as soon as someone cracks a joke, writes in metaphors or says the word faggot. That’s the weakest of arguments and ways to back out of a conversation, argument or exchange. Especially when you fail to take in the context that the language was used.

[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]humble wrote:

Now, you just pumped me up. Gonna go find a gym to train on some MMA fags[/quote]

Y dO U hAATEEee JITSU???[/quote]

Haha.

Here is the thing. As a purist ‘sport’ I love Jujitsu… if that’s how you spell it. Shows you how much I engage in it. But I really like it. I love the technical aspects. I love the serious guys, the two gracie breakdown brothers and how they are so analytical and notice things others don’t. That part I love.

Wrestling, man, are you serious? I love that too. I love watching it as a purist sport. The speed, athleticism, endurance, and strength displays are awesome Karelin’s face jumps up in my mind like a pop up bill board at a theme park every time wrestling is mentioned.

What I hate is the current trend of wrestlers turned mma fighters who think that being a college wrestler makes them bad ass and all the culture that comes with that whole group of people.

We don’t have that culture here in Australia. Wrestlers are just athletic blokes who train in their sport here. I’ve trained with a few of them and a 72kg runt who war 30 kg my junior back then still resonates in my mind as one of the best experiences I had with ‘pure wrestlers’. Why? He put me on my ass a million times despite all my efforts to resist. Pure brutal strength and technique. But that was in a pure wrestling atmosphere.

Jujitsu impressed me much the same in the purist form.

Here’s the thing. Wrestlers and Jujitsu purists don’t parade themselves as fighters. I’m cool with that.

Once they cross over into MMA, shit gets twisted.

It then becomes a ‘My art is better than your art’ shit fight. Wrestlers claiming superiority, jitsu guys claiming superiority when the fact remains after all that you’re still a sport. Hand to hand combat has been around for eons. THat’s just what people did when their big stick, sword, knife, spear etc was not around. That’s what they used in battles. No warrior of old ever wrestle fucked his enemy to death. It was striking with weapons or striking with hands.

Wrestling has been around for centuries too but I don’t think it’s the most advanced form of pure fighting. Sure it could have been used to get your opponent to a position but it’s not exactly a finishing move to wrestle your opponent to death unless you’re a pile driver expert.

So with the advent of MMA, out came all these wonderful characters claiming they had it over everyone else and if you didn’t learn their art you weren’t a great fighter.

Fact is 99% of these blokes were fucked stand up guys anyway and it is always going to be a sport. Never going to be as real as you think.

Here’s the other thing. MMA is made up mostly of guys who cannot stand up at all. So they then lie to themselves and pretend that they loooovvvve jitsu and it is their life and passion and usual regurgitated bullshit. They parade around as MMA fighters but jitsu experts or wrestling experts.

This is why pure stand up trainers and fighters laugh at most MMA guys. The wrestlers I wrestled with respected that they’d get their teeth knocked out if we opened up the session and allowed for striking. They knew their place. Likewise jitsu guys and hey, I knew my place if we should turn it into a pure wrestling situation. But when we did spar in MMA, poor bastards just failed at taking me down… failed miserably. Yeah I am big noting myself. They did get their faces fucked up with just jabs! Their legs were also a mess. What you see in MMA is not kicking and boxing. Those cunts are fucking shit. Getting your leg caught whilst kicking someones leg is just fucking weak and how often do we see that! It’s everywhere but it’s bullshit. You need to sit down for a good month and watch some thais kick. trust me, the last thing you do is catch a leg kick with your arms. The fact that it happens so much in MMA spells volumes of their kicking ability.

What you see in MMA is not the definition of boxing or Muay Thai. It is a fucked up weak version that leads you to believe it doesn’t work and causes you to think that this sport MMA is real fighting.

There is something psychologically different about a man who always goes for the easiest option. This is what my experience has taught me from a young age. That’s why we have less men and more effeminate guys out there.

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[quote]nighthawkz wrote:
Just for the record, I like humble. But I strongly dislike his homophobic slurs and disrespectful comments against grappling. THIS, to me, is unacceptable behaviour for a grown man.

[/quote]

Thanks man, I like you too… in a non homo kind of way :slight_smile:

Read above for a little more.

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[quote]Schwarzfahrer wrote:
Some personal moments of eureka/satori:

As a teen:
Upon witnessing a serious street fight for the first time: “holy crap, those first seconds REALLY count”
“I have a blue belt now, but really, against an angry asshole, I can use maybe two techniques that actually work”
“wow, I really froze up when he hit me in the face with that playful jab”
“cardio may be 50% psychological, but the other 50% one can and should work on”
“nothing attracts scum like martial arts”

Later, as a man, in no particular order:
-There must be a solid foundation of strength (not really the opposite of your ‘strength work = GPP’)
-Fighting is 50% animalistic and 50% cultural. The technical stuff is 1% luxury. That doesn’t mean one cannot force conflicts to only revolve around luxurious flippancies. That’s the big trick.
-Martial Arts is mostly a tragic misunderstanding and also an idiotic term. MMA is the great successor that will carry that wonderful, horrible torch for long years to come. [/quote]

I like this post in a total non-humble-approved way.

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[quote]FightinIrish26 wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Taking someone down makes them a bitch because they won’t stand and fight? OK. So if your choices are stand and get KOed by someone twice your size who then goes on to rape your wife and kill your kids or, take him down and end up keeping your family safe, you are a bitch if you don’t say, “screw my family. I am going to fight ‘like a man’” ?

By that logic US soldiers are pussies because they wear body armor even though their enemies probably don’t. [/quote]

Must everything with you turn into a “BJJ vs. The World” thread?[/quote]

In fairness BJJ in specific and grappling in general get dogpiled a lot on this board so I can understand how zecarlo might already have half a chip on his shoulder.

In past posts he has mentioned that he/his school is still training the more combative/not competition approved techniques and he probably feels like he is getting lumped in with the rest of the hot item, only start on the knees BJJ that seems to be the numerical majority in the US.

Regards,

Robert A

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[quote]LondonBoxer123 wrote:
Fighting like a man means not at any point having another man’s balls resting on your chin, or his taint in one or more of your nostrils. [/quote]

Dude, when you train grappling you do it in a totally manly fashion. Like a viking. Albeit a sensitive viking, who loves Barbara Streisand music, and Cher. And who has Boy George concert tickets framed in their loft. But a viking.

Regards,

Robert A

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[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Jesus fucking Christ!
[/quote]

This thread kinda makes me feel old.

As in “stop the shit or I will turn this internet around and take us right home” old.

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I really cannot take the idea that grapplers somehow have less heart/willpower than others seriously. Just reading some of kmcnyc’s posts makes my joints hurt.

My take on who can hang/survive is that people panic/bail out of “unfamiliar” more than anything else.

Guys who aren’t used to taking kicks to the legs start doing stupid shit about the time the 3rd one lands on them.

Guys who aren’t used to getting punched in the face go to pieces when they eat jabs for more than a round.

Guys who aren’t used to rolling can have serious panic attacks just from being under someone with really heavy, tight, control. Something about the 4rth minute of breathing sweat and mat that makes people lose their shit.

I have, multiple times, watched people have a mini breakdown because they never experienced how badly certain wrist locks can hurt. On several occasions these were tough, trained guys. People used to being punched and kicked. I am not saying a nikyo hurts any worse than taking a second or third punch on a broken nose, but it was different enough to be “scary pain” instead of “just pain”.

Regards,

Robert A

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[quote]humble wrote:

[quote]zecarlo wrote:
Taking someone down makes them a bitch because they won’t stand and fight? OK. So if your choices are stand and get KOed by someone twice your size who then goes on to rape your wife and kill your kids or, take him down and end up keeping your family safe, you are a bitch if you don’t say, “screw my family. I am going to fight ‘like a man’” ?

By that logic US soldiers are pussies because they wear body armor even though their enemies probably don’t. [/quote]

Yes. Fighting like a man means you don’t particularily enjoy another mans hands anywhere near you let alone their legs, chest, abdomen and worse as others have mentioned, their balls in your face.

Quite simply it means you’re not into gay love, hugging it out, rolling around in the hay with men and shit. Put your body parts near me and I will rip them off with my fucking teeth to teach you a lesson.

So, fighting like a man means hitting the other guy first, fast and hard to stop them turning into a gay cunt and holding on to you with all their faggot love disguised as MMA technique.

So, my experience has been that most guys who ‘take it to the ground’ take it up the ass too. They’re bitches. They cannot cop a smack in the teeth or the humiliation of being knocked out. Hurts too much physically and mostly emotionally. So they will resort to homosexual means to save face. That my friend is the anti-thesis of a man. A man will take what is coming to him. Whether it be a busted eye socket, broken nose or missing teeth. He’ll get up and tell the story to his grandchildren in years to come of how he lost his tooth or why his nose is crooked.

I don’t want to be telling my children my ears look like shit because I used to hug men a lot.

Your US soldier similitude is stupid. Can’t even be compared and you don’t want to hear what I have to say about all soldiers. You’ll cry and judging by your love of hugging men, I don’t think you can stay mature enough once you hear my take on all of them, world wide.

Now, you just pumped me up. Gonna go find a gym to train on some MMA fags[/quote]

Hah! So much grapple-hate! Love it! Nice post man.

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[quote]Robert A wrote:

[quote]DarkNinjaa wrote:
Jesus fucking Christ!
[/quote]

This thread kinda makes me feel old.

As in “stop the shit or I will turn this internet around and take us right home” old.
[/quote]

Fuck It…Just kill whoever you need to as efficiently as possible and go home…

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Moment of clarity 1: After several years of tma, I stepped into a boxing gym. The first session the instructor “popped my cherry” by having me spar with his GG son. I still remember a left hook that made me dizzy and seem like the room was spinning

The 2nd moment of clarity was my first boxing fight: The first fight of the night and I looked across at some jacked motherfucker in tarzan shorts and thinking “what have I got myself into”? First round he basically hit me with a clubbing right and I am seeing stars. Afterwards, I settled down and knocked him out.

3rd moment of clarity: My first tournament as a taekwondo black belt… I figured I was pretty good, I would spar with some former national competitors and do well…this should be cake. Got hit with a 360 roundhouse in the face and got a concussion. Finished the fight, but lost.

4th moment of clarity: Being attacked by 4 dudes in a foreign country, came away from it just fine…but made me think long and hard about what things would have been like if someone would have had a knife, and adjusted much of my training to reflect REAL self defense and not just tournament training.

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[quote]Robert A wrote:
I really cannot take the idea that grapplers somehow have less heart/willpower than others seriously. Just reading some of kmcnyc’s posts makes my joints hurt.

My take on who can hang/survive is that people panic/bail out of “unfamiliar” more than anything else.

Guys who aren’t used to taking kicks to the legs start doing stupid shit about the time the 3rd one lands on them.

Guys who aren’t used to getting punched in the face go to pieces when they eat jabs for more than a round.

Guys who aren’t used to rolling can have serious panic attacks just from being under someone with really heavy, tight, control. Something about the 4rth minute of breathing sweat and mat that makes people lose their shit.

I have, multiple times, watched people have a mini breakdown because they never experienced how badly certain wrist locks can hurt. On several occasions these were tough, trained guys. People used to being punched and kicked. I am not saying a nikyo hurts any worse than taking a second or third punch on a broken nose, but it was different enough to be “scary pain” instead of “just pain”.

Regards,

Robert A[/quote]

Totally agree. People tend to play to their strengths and avoid their weaknesses (in general, not just in the Martial Arts/Combat sports arena).

If you take a world champion boxer and put him/her on a wrestling mat against even your average high school varsity wrestler he/she is going to get crushed. Likewise, take a gold medalist wrestler and put him/her in a boxing ring with any decent amateur boxer and the wrestler is probably getting KO’d. Or take a world champion Muay Thai fighter and put him/her into a full contact stick fight against one of the Dog Brothers and the MT fighter is in serious trouble. But put one of the Dog Brothers into a MT fight with that same MT fighter and they are probably getting destroyed.

Whether any of these hypothetical individuals has the drive, desire, and humility to stick with this new skill set long enough to actually develop it to a high level has nothing to do with their original style and everything to do with that individual himself/herself.

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[quote]666Rich wrote:
Moment of clarity 1: After several years of tma, I stepped into a boxing gym. The first session the instructor “popped my cherry” by having me spar with his GG son. I still remember a left hook that made me dizzy and seem like the room was spinning

The 2nd moment of clarity was my first boxing fight: The first fight of the night and I looked across at some jacked motherfucker in tarzan shorts and thinking “what have I got myself into”? First round he basically hit me with a clubbing right and I am seeing stars. Afterwards, I settled down and knocked him out.

3rd moment of clarity: My first tournament as a taekwondo black belt… I figured I was pretty good, I would spar with some former national competitors and do well…this should be cake. Got hit with a 360 roundhouse in the face and got a concussion. Finished the fight, but lost.

4th moment of clarity: Being attacked by 4 dudes in a foreign country, came away from it just fine…but made me think long and hard about what things would have been like if someone would have had a knife, and adjusted much of my training to reflect REAL self defense and not just tournament training.[/quote]
Quality!