Anyone want to volunteer and call him puny?
And yah as for GSP, I don’t consider him jacked. It’s just a matter of perception.[/quote]
touché
you all get off on some wild tangents…
500lbs
[quote]rasturai wrote:
lol I’m sorry Bill I acutally didn’t mean to sound rude at all…I’m juts very hot in my house, no A/C…hungry…and just agitated all over. You did ask really nicely and I was too upfront for no reason.
Sorry I have benched 390, squatted 500, and deadlifted 500. so that is 1390 exactly.
Right now though I am stronger than that but haven’t been doing any maxes…just from numbers I know what I can hit. I will be hitting 405 bench, 15lbs to go and am feeling liek I can definaetly get it. but I cannot test maxes for at least another 5 weeks. Squat 525, and deadlift 525. If I can deadlift 525 conventional…I can do more…but that is sumo…Not really wide sumo though, I prefer the modified sumo stance…similar to Ed Coan’s. I feel strongest in this position…just working on conv. deads and squats hard raise my sumo deadlift no matter what. Also though how much can a powerlifting belt aid me…I do have one…but it is just way to big…I’m looking to get a 13mm…by the sounds of it people get more out of a PL belt…and if I were to compete I’m guessing I should probably get one lol.
Also anything I can squat…I can duplicate in the deadlift conv. (if my low back is fresh).
Again…you didn’t deserve for me to be upfront like that lol…it’s just me.
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You will probably squat more than 525 if you did 405 for 10 or more. I did 500 and could only do 405 for 5 or 6.
Relativity is the opeative idea here. You’ll hear PL’s call BB’s weak but its a relative term. Compared to the average joe, BBs are not weak. I believe its a misunderstanding here based on semantics and perspective.
DH
[quote]DK 14 wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
DK 14 wrote:
rasturai wrote:
Does that deadlift say 616 or 516? cause his squat is 440…so im guessing 516…but it could be 616.
Anyways I’m 19 and lifted more than arnold at 19…which must mean…i’m going to eventually b better than arnold?
hahaha i know you’re probably kidding. in the case that you aren’t: everyone knows body builders aren’t strong compared to power lifters. i know some weak ass dudes that are JACKED and smaller guys under 200 that can put up some freakin unbelievable amount of weight.
No, you do not know any weak ass dudes who are truly, “jacked”.
i know dudes that can only bench 300, squat 400 and dead not even 5… that’s pretty fuckin weak in power lifting terms buddy…these dudes are jacked.
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[quote]DH wrote:
Relativity is the opeative idea here. You’ll hear PL’s call BB’s weak but its a relative term. Compared to the average joe, BBs are not weak. I believe its a misunderstanding here based on semantics and perspective.
DH
DK 14 wrote:
waylanderxx wrote:
DK 14 wrote:
rasturai wrote:
Does that deadlift say 616 or 516? cause his squat is 440…so im guessing 516…but it could be 616.
Anyways I’m 19 and lifted more than arnold at 19…which must mean…i’m going to eventually b better than arnold?
hahaha i know you’re probably kidding. in the case that you aren’t: everyone knows body builders aren’t strong compared to power lifters. i know some weak ass dudes that are JACKED and smaller guys under 200 that can put up some freakin unbelievable amount of weight.
No, you do not know any weak ass dudes who are truly, “jacked”.
i know dudes that can only bench 300, squat 400 and dead not even 5… that’s pretty fuckin weak in power lifting terms buddy…these dudes are jacked.
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Also a bber is likely to be stronger in other movements eg db laterals. But this argument gets old, powerlifters are generally much stronger at the big three than bbers. Arnold was able to dead lift over 700 pounds, If you think that is week just because andy bolton can lift 1000 your nuts.
[quote]chitown34 wrote:
Anyone want to volunteer and call him puny?[/quote]
Compared to any IFBB Pro Bodybuilders, He is extremely Puny.
Anyways, Arnold was tha man, and still is the man. He was extremely strong and deffinately proved bodybuilders are not weaklings.
[quote]chitown34 wrote:
Anyone want to volunteer and call him puny?[/quote]
Not saying he’s puny… and I am envious of his chest development… but…
Exception to the rule. Look at every other welterweight. GSP, Matt Hughes, Fitch, Serra, etc… none are nearly as muscular.
I really never seen any strong teenagers. When i was in high school, “strong” meant being able to bench 225 pounds for a max. Most of the football team claimed that they could bench 300+ pounds, but when you actually saw them do it, it always took 3 spotters to help them complete the lift.
Then they would get off the bench and go write that they did 350 lbs on the bench, just because their 3 spotters were screaming “its all you” while they heaved the bar up for him. I only saw two guys legitimately bench 300+ while in high school. Both football players. One was when I was a jr. this was in 2003, it was this senior named Mike. He was a big dark skinned guy with braids (i ran into him last year and he’s bald).
He was about 6’3 or 6’4 and weighed a good 230-235. He benched 315 for one, clean rep which i personally witnessed. No spotters touched the bar except for lift off. Now you may say that for his size, 315 pounds on the bench is nothing, but keep in mind that at that time he was only 18. But he looked 25. You wouldve though he was school security instead of a student.
Then in my senior year in 2004, there was this guy named Brandon, another football player, he benched 305 pounds. He was about 5’9 and weighed 250 pounds, although a little on the flabby side, an endomorph kind of guy. Come to think of it, he had braids too or sometime wore his hair in a afro. But the point is, he was one of the only two i saw in hs put up 300+ pounds for real on the bench press.
Then I remember one time, there was this one football player who could supposedly squat all this damn weight. So I was in the school weight room when the football player in question came in. His name was Dejar Leonard. So he went towards the squat rack and started putting on the pounds onto the bar. Everyone gathered around and started telling me how strong he was and how much weight this guy could put up.
He puts 455 pounds on and proceeds to “squat” it. The guy comes down a quarter inch, if that. Now mind you, this is supposed to be a “full squat”, not a partial. He does it 2x and racks the weight at which point everyone, even the weight training coach falls all over themselves to kiss his ass and tell him how mighty he is and Im the only one with any sense standing back looking like “What the fuck was that? The only reason he didnt fully squat the weight was cus he wouldve got stuck because it was too heavy for him.”
This same football player supposedly benched 350 as well. He most certainly could, if he had 3 spotters helping pull the weight off his chest while he layed on the bench and squirmed.
Moral of the story is that i can count on one hand the number of “strong” teens ive ever seen. In June of 2004 when i graduated from hs, i benched around 250-260 pounds. I think thats right, because i think i remember maxing with like 255 pounds at the gym and this was like a few days after prom i believe. I was 17 about to be 18 at the time.
[quote]MODOK wrote:
and ripped up clowns from the three ring circus. [/quote]
trying to tell me we’z ain’t jacked…
[quote]clip11 wrote:
I really never seen any strong teenagers. When i was in high school, “strong” meant being able to bench 225 pounds for a max. Most of the football team claimed that they could bench 300+ pounds, but when you actually saw them do it, it always took 3 spotters to help them complete the lift.
Then they would get off the bench and go write that they did 350 lbs on the bench, just because their 3 spotters were screaming “its all you” while they heaved the bar up for him. I only saw two guys legitimately bench 300+ while in high school. Both football players. One was when I was a jr. this was in 2003, it was this senior named Mike. He was a big dark skinned guy with braids (i ran into him last year and he’s bald).
He was about 6’3 or 6’4 and weighed a good 230-235. He benched 315 for one, clean rep which i personally witnessed. No spotters touched the bar except for lift off. Now you may say that for his size, 315 pounds on the bench is nothing, but keep in mind that at that time he was only 18. But he looked 25. You wouldve though he was school security instead of a student.
Then in my senior year in 2004, there was this guy named Brandon, another football player, he benched 305 pounds. He was about 5’9 and weighed 250 pounds, although a little on the flabby side, an endomorph kind of guy. Come to think of it, he had braids too or sometime wore his hair in a afro. But the point is, he was one of the only two i saw in hs put up 300+ pounds for real on the bench press.
Then I remember one time, there was this one football player who could supposedly squat all this damn weight. So I was in the school weight room when the football player in question came in. His name was Dejar Leonard. So he went towards the squat rack and started putting on the pounds onto the bar. Everyone gathered around and started telling me how strong he was and how much weight this guy could put up.
He puts 455 pounds on and proceeds to “squat” it. The guy comes down a quarter inch, if that. Now mind you, this is supposed to be a “full squat”, not a partial. He does it 2x and racks the weight at which point everyone, even the weight training coach falls all over themselves to kiss his ass and tell him how mighty he is and Im the only one with any sense standing back looking like “What the fuck was that? The only reason he didnt fully squat the weight was cus he wouldve got stuck because it was too heavy for him.”
This same football player supposedly benched 350 as well. He most certainly could, if he had 3 spotters helping pull the weight off his chest while he layed on the bench and squirmed.
Moral of the story is that i can count on one hand the number of “strong” teens ive ever seen. In June of 2004 when i graduated from hs, i benched around 250-260 pounds. I think thats right, because i think i remember maxing with like 255 pounds at the gym and this was like a few days after prom i believe. I was 17 about to be 18 at the time.[/quote]
It’s too bad you did not have a powerlifting team in hs or a weightlifting team of some sort. I went to the state competition for Florida and there were guys in the 238 weight class benching close to 400. The record bench was by a superheavy who had done 475 a few years earlier. That record probably still holds.
I am envious of this. I graduated HS with a whopping 56 people and we only had 3 sports; Basketball, Basesball, and Soccer, none of which you need much strength training to compete in. the only gym nearby was a yuppie gym where I had nothing and no one to learn from. 1 squat rack, 2 benches, and about 465 machines. =[
[quote]deadlift655 wrote:
It’s too bad you did not have a powerlifting team in hs or a weightlifting team of some sort. I went to the state competition for Florida and there were guys in the 238 weight class benching close to 400. The record bench was by a superheavy who had done 475 a few years earlier. That record probably still holds. [/quote]
The person in question set this record as a teen, as a raw lift? At my hs, a 225 lb bench meant you were a beast. I mentioned the guy who benched 315 for one rep (he looked liked he maybe couldve got one more rep with it), in my hs, you wouldve thought he was from the planet Krypton. We thought 225 pounds was a lot, so 315 pounds may have well been a mountain. In fact at that time when I was a jr., i could maybe bench 195-200 pounds on a good day.
I really didnt start to get the strength level i have now until I got in my 20’s and even now, im in my early 20’s.
[quote]hardcoreraymond wrote:
I am envious of this. I graduated HS with a whopping 56 people and we only had 3 sports; Basketball, Basesball, and Soccer, none of which you need much strength training to compete in. the only gym nearby was a yuppie gym where I had nothing and no one to learn from. 1 squat rack, 2 benches, and about 465 machines. =[[/quote]
Our weight room in hs had like 4 flat benches, an incline bench, a pec deck, leg press, military press station, a squat rack, and dumbbells that went up to 100 pounds in increments of ten.
[quote]clip11 wrote:
deadlift655 wrote:
It’s too bad you did not have a powerlifting team in hs or a weightlifting team of some sort. I went to the state competition for Florida and there were guys in the 238 weight class benching close to 400. The record bench was by a superheavy who had done 475 a few years earlier. That record probably still holds.
The person in question set this record as a teen, as a raw lift? At my hs, a 225 lb bench meant you were a beast. I mentioned the guy who benched 315 for one rep (he looked liked he maybe couldve got one more rep with it), in my hs, you wouldve thought he was from the planet Krypton. We thought 225 pounds was a lot, so 315 pounds may have well been a mountain. In fact at that time when I was a jr., i could maybe bench 195-200 pounds on a good day.
I really didnt start to get the strength level i have now until I got in my 20’s and even now, im in my early 20’s.
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That was set as a raw lift, in a meet with a pause on the chest and a command to lift. I did not personally see it though. At states that year, I did see a superheavy throw 445 off his chest. As I said earlier, I also saw guys in the 238 do close to 400. This was the State meet though. I looked through the records and most of the best lifts had held for years. There was a guy in the lightest weight class, I believe 138, who benched 295. That was set about 4 or so years prior.
I have seen tons of guys claim to bench 300 in HS like you have mentioned, and most had the cheating form you said. This was at my school without the weightlifting team though. It is probably the reason most young guys don’t think there is any correlation between muscle size and muscle strength.
Lol at my high school no one knew shit about weight lifting. Not even the coaches.
Infact, I went up to the coach and asked him how I could make my legs stronger so I could run faster, and he just said ‘go on the stationary bike’.
During my senior year of football we had 19 300+ benchers. If you train a football team of teenagers correctly for 4 years straight and they take it seriously you get some strong kids. About 50% of the sophomore class hit 225 or higher.
Our football team didn’t have quite as many 300+ benchers but one of our our all-state linemen benched 4 plates. Granted, there was rampant steroid use and the assistant coach was arrested my junior year for distributing steroids… but I don’t think it’s that uncommon to have HS kids benching over 300.
[quote]hardcoreraymond wrote:
I am envious of this. I graduated HS with a whopping 56 people and we only had 3 sports; Basketball, Basesball, and Soccer, none of which you need much strength training to compete in. the only gym nearby was a yuppie gym where I had nothing and no one to learn from. 1 squat rack, 2 benches, and about 465 machines. =[[/quote]
haha! yeah man, my highschool too. except i don’t think we had a gym within a couple town radius. and my class was about 90 students.
but better late than never, right?
OP posted a great pic. arnold is the man.