I know alot of guys get wet over numbers, sometimes they even confuse bodybuilding vs powerlifting. If one could build award winning physiques with much less weight, then Im all for that. That being said, bodybuilding fans by and large, are morons. All they want is more, and more. We’d rather watch Branch military press 405 than watch someone else do 225 with controlled reps. They want sideshows-- astronomical numbers.
Some guys pad their number–
Pro, amateur, natty, up in coming, or whatever.
Sure this is annoying, but what you can’t argue with is the end results.
You know, when I tell people I love to train my chest with 315, they think Im a pussy??
But, if I had future endorsements on the line, Id have to go all out vs my comfort zone.
If he did jumping jacks only to get in contest shape, I guess that’s what worked for him!
You must lift with some big dudes for 315 to be pussy weight. Hell, at my LA Fitness back home I haven’t seen more than 7 people do that weight period, maybe 3 comfortably. Here in Japan, I’ve never seen a 3 plate Bench press. I don’t doubt it though seeing as a few of the biggest dudes can do chins with 3-4 45lb plates, but they are the two exceptions in the entire place at Golds.
[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
Wow… This turned into a clusterfuck… Quickly lol.
Max has a pretty nice.physique. I saw him a few years ago in Musclemag. I think hd has nice capped delts.
He’s Rom may ‘suck’ to some but, you can’t argue the END result and in bodybuilding, that’s what counts.
My God these threads go hell all the time.
He was admiringly commenting on this new pro and aspires to one day look similar to this and now ut turns into a mob.
Some are just waiting for X to post anything to jump all over his thread like a bitch in heat, some are in it for a healthy debate about physique, what are you here for?
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ummm X pretty much derailed his own thread. hes never in it for a “healthy debate” just to stroke his massive fucking ego.
wait aren’t you the guy who claimed a 495 incline press for 15 rep?[/quote]
Nope race bullshit was the start. Also whether or not he can attain his build naturally.
495 for 15?? That’s a wet dream innuit? don’t seriously ever remember posting them figures. Maybe you know better than I :)[/quote]
If by “race bullshit” you mean the misunderstanding I had with usmc about the meme thread, then you should know that all that was sorted out. There was in fact no “race bullshit” at all. I was just referencing a meme created in a thread on this site. I’d be happy to post a link for you to clear things up. Also, the points made by some about how Maxx’s physique is unattainable natty is, well, completely true.I don’t understand why people try and argue things like that. You won’t look like him unless you’re on the drugs like him.
Also, Quasi, I tend to like your posts and respect how you present your ideas. However, I think it is ridiculous that X is supposed to be allowed to act the way he does just because he is big. I had a friend just like X (eerily so) in college and we no longer talk now because he constantly acted condescendingly towards me and pretty much had a “I’m bigger=I’m right” attitude.
I can understand your feelings. I am merely saying that anyone who has 50k posts, on any forum, will be bitter, even if those posts are spread across 100 forums. Look at Rip, he probably was a fun-loving guy and still is from time-to-time, but he’s bitter after dealing with “kids” and “know it alls”.
I’m not asking you to encourage his negativity, just ignore it and look for value in his posts… if you give no fuel to the fire it dies out, but remember even a dying fire still has embers that might seem dormant. Eventually they will cool and go away. I think if some time passes and folks stop flocking like piranha to an X thread, derails will decrease.
Look at what happened in Off-topic, X made comments and all of a sudden dozens of meme’s with his picture on religious paintings were thrown all over the place - thats common childish / 4-chan internet play. It gets old fast. If we want mature discussion and to get past the jaded crap, someone has to be the “bigger man” and it doesn’t have to be a physical stature type measurement. Just my theory though.
I agree with all of that. I just think it’s unfortunate that X never tries to be the “bigger man” in most situations. Good post though.
[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
I know alot of guys get wet over numbers, sometimes they even confuse bodybuilding vs powerlifting. If one could build award winning physiques with much less weight, then Im all for that. That being said, bodybuilding fans by and large, are morons. All they want is more, and more. We’d rather watch Branch military press 405 than watch someone else do 225 with controlled reps. They want sideshows-- astronomical numbers.
Some guys pad their number–
Pro, amateur, natty, up in coming, or whatever.
Sure this is annoying, but what you can’t argue with is the end results.
You know, when I tell people I love to train my chest with 315, they think Im a pussy??
But, if I had future endorsements on the line, Id have to go all out vs my comfort zone.
If he did jumping jacks only to get in contest shape, I guess that’s what worked for him![/quote]
My apologies you look very, very, very similar to leewhitehurst or whatever his name is.
In an effort to get along, I have a question (possibly a few) for Professor X. Hopefully this will help lead to civil discussion and an end to arguments. X, I am currently running 5/3/1 to get my numbers up on the big lifts again. But, it never hurts to get some extra back work in there. The program calls for some assistance work, specifically 5x10 for pullups on military press day. Now, for one, I can’t get through all the sets. I am still getting used to my heavier body weight right now.
So, I was wondering two things really. One, should I just break up a total rep goal, say 50, and use as many sets as needed to get to it, like Matt Kroc and Arnold have said? Second, could I utilize your idea of getting in 50 or however many pullups in every time I train with this strength program and still see some decent back growth? I would assume so. I know these may seem to be beginner questions, but I just wanted to hear your thoughts on the matter.
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
Look at what happened in Off-topic, X made comments and all of a sudden dozens of meme’s with his picture on religious paintings were thrown all over the place - thats common childish / 4-chan internet play. [/quote]
Dude, you claim to be the voice of reason…but when somebody is an asshole to people for 10+ years on a site, and folks just get fed up with it…suddenly they are the bad guys?
You need to do some history here, before you start telling people how to act.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
[quote]sam_sneed wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
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Just for the record for people that don’t know, this is Nate Robinson. Arguably at one point the most athletic person in the NBA and one of it’s most genetically gifted athletes ever. Not just your above average dude. Not even close. Also he does more than just push ups and play basketball to be in that shape.
I’m not denying that there are lean and in shape people out there who don’t lift. I see at them on my college campus at work every day. But this dude is not one of them.[/quote]
Arguably nothing. Robinson is the best pure athlete in NBA history. As a little dunker myself, watching Robinson attempt a self lob off the glass FOURTEEN TIMES IN A ROW was fucking insane. That’s basically 14 40"+ jumps in 2 minutes. He was also recruited to play cornerback and decided he liked basketball better and dropped football. Oh yeah, he was also the Washington state football, basketball and track player of the year. X taking one of the most genetically gifted dudes in the history of the planet to make his point is absurd. [/quote]
I watch people like him and just think about how shitty my genetics are lol. And truthly they aren’t really that bad. Just relatively speaking.
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Meant to say self lob 360 off the glass. I always had favorable genetics for sprinting and jumping. Caught my first dunk at 16 and 5’7". Can still put down a 360 at 31, 5’9" with two major knee blowouts under my belt. My genetics sucked for longevity though. I’ve gone through more injuries than I can count. That’s one thing that also needs to be taken into account when discussing genetics. Some of these dudes are seemingly bulletproof.
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Robinson would be in the NFL if he wanted to.
The guy was an outstanding CB/scat back.
He chose the NBA over the NFL.
Scholarship D1 football player, basketball player AND track star?
Push ups and sit ups my ass lol
Anecdotal story:
One of my best friends (groomsman in my wedding) is from Washington and played travel ball against Nate in highschool.
He said the craziest thing he ever saw was Nate dribbling top of the key, goes between the defenders legs and then throws a lob off the glass to himself with traffic in the lane.
He said it was nuts!
From a short friggin highschool kid lol
@Quasitech
Thanks brother. Its good to be back on T Nation.
[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
@Quasitech
Thanks brother. Its good to be back on T Nation.[/quote]
You sure your not man the resemblance is rediculos.
Just caught up ok the last 4-5 pages of this thread.
Holy hell was it terrible.
This is exactly why this forum gets a bad rap.
If the powers to be can’t read those pages and see exactly what the Stu Thread was all about I don’t know what to tell ya.
Unbelievable.
Like a dog chasing its tail.
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
@Quasitech
Thanks brother. Its good to be back on T Nation.[/quote]
You sure your not man the resemblance is rediculos. [/quote]
6-15 was short (and considerably chubbier looking that SN)
Savage is 6’3+ I thought?
[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
Wow… This turned into a clusterfuck… Quickly lol.
Max has a pretty nice.physique. I saw him a few years ago in Musclemag. I think hd has nice capped delts.
He’s Rom may ‘suck’ to some but, you can’t argue the END result and in bodybuilding, that’s what counts.
My God these threads go hell all the time.
He was admiringly commenting on this new pro and aspires to one day look similar to this and now ut turns into a mob.
Some are just waiting for X to post anything to jump all over his thread like a bitch in heat, some are in it for a healthy debate about physique, what are you here for?
[/quote]
ummm X pretty much derailed his own thread. hes never in it for a “healthy debate” just to stroke his massive fucking ego.
wait aren’t you the guy who claimed a 495 incline press for 15 rep?[/quote]
Nope race bullshit was the start. Also whether or not he can attain his build naturally.
495 for 15?? That’s a wet dream innuit? don’t seriously ever remember posting them figures. Maybe you know better than I :)[/quote]
Thank you…and it is always the same guys.
There was a good discussion before the same guys showed up to shit on the thread.
Apparently even discussing the fact that some people can be lean without much effort is taboo.
No discussion can take place if every single discussion gets hit with the same people complaining that there is a discussion going on.
That doesn’t even make sense.
Back to the thread though…Charles is awesome.
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
Ryan, if everyone was knowledgable after two years of training, John Meadows wouldn’t have made the drastic improvements he did by experimenting and trying new workout programs and regimes. We are constantly discovering new things about ourselves, and the world about building muscle and understanding the human body. I would not close my mind off to what is out there or available.
If you have reached that point where you not what works for you, when to change your programming, frequency, volume, etc. then you are well on your way, and I’m not being sarcastic. Many of us can’t make such claims.[/quote]
Good post.
I know few people who have been training for less than ten years who would claim they know their own body that well.
Not to mention the body you have at 35 will not respond the same as it did at 20.
Anyone who thinks they have it all figured out after only two years is in for a surprise.
[quote]dt79 wrote:
<--------- Not interested in the argument, but as an example of someone naturally lean, this is me in my profile pic at 34 years old. This was taken after 2 months playing around in the gym 2 days a week, after a 10 year layoff from weights with minimal physical activity. I basically look the same when untrained.
Daily diet in this time frame consisted of 4 coffees with 6 sugars each cup, 1 macdonalds bigmac meal at lunch, 1 can of pringles smoky babarcue flavor, 1/4 btl of chivas and high fat restaurant food at dinner. Being a creature of habit, I ate the same crap everyday except at dinner.
Now, @Quasi tech, please, what im really really interested in is knowing more about Capt Kirk threatening someone at the seminar! Thanks! :)[/quote]
Impossible…we are learning no one like this exists and it takes everyone a really hard time to stay lean.
[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
I know alot of guys get wet over numbers, sometimes they even confuse bodybuilding vs powerlifting. If one could build award winning physiques with much less weight, then Im all for that. That being said, bodybuilding fans by and large, are morons. All they want is more, and more. We’d rather watch Branch military press 405 than watch someone else do 225 with controlled reps. They want sideshows-- astronomical numbers.
Some guys pad their number–
Pro, amateur, natty, up in coming, or whatever.
Sure this is annoying, but what you can’t argue with is the end results.
You know, when I tell people I love to train my chest with 315, they think Im a pussy??
But, if I had future endorsements on the line, Id have to go all out vs my comfort zone.
If he did jumping jacks only to get in contest shape, I guess that’s what worked for him![/quote]
That was my take when that discussion came up…look at the results.
[quote]Quasi-Tech wrote:
Waylander left shortly before I did, and then moved to another forum, though I haven’t seen his posts there for over a year… last I knew he was at 288lbs or so. I haven’t seen Bonez post much either. Stu, thankfully is still here, and thanks to his competition experience, always cool/calm manneurisms, and effort to stay out of any swirling cess pools he I don’t think ever has been attacked.
I also remember Bushido, but he left for other reasons and last I knew had his own site. Knowledgeable folks come and go. And honestly, things aren’t the same as they used to be. Perhaps this community should ask itself why these impressive guys have left/are leaving… I doubt its all X. Look at bb’ing.com, also not many pro’s or impressive physiques there, unless they are being paid to be there. Because the place is a cess pool of trolls and “flexing my abs in the mirror” kids. T-Nation used to not be like that, but its becoming a smaller brother on its own.
And you should value his opinion because he’s more than likely bigger than you, and the only way he’s done it is through time and effort. There’s always nuggets of information everywhere, and I still believe X has some to offer. I would never discredit someone that size trying to offer me advice in the gym. I may not agree with it, but I’ll still thank him, because today’s advice might not be great, but tomorrow’s might be game-changing.[/quote]
Bingo.
Great post.
I just went to that “other” site an read an entire thread where people literally complained for several pages that Kali Muscle wasn’t natural…as opposed to appreciating someone with that development was even responding.
Needless to say, he does not post there since that thread in 2008.
Most of these sites have been overrun by trolls just looking to push people’s buttons.
Most people at an advanced stage just won’t put up with that for long.
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
@Quasitech
Thanks brother. Its good to be back on T Nation.[/quote]
You sure your not man the resemblance is rediculos. [/quote]
6-15 was short (and considerably chubbier looking that SN)
Savage is 6’3+ I thought?[/quote]
Yeah 6’3.5- 6’4. Probably 6’7 in heels.
At 280 these days.
[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
[quote]Smashingweights wrote:
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
[quote]SavagedNatiion wrote:
@Quasitech
Thanks brother. Its good to be back on T Nation.[/quote]
You sure your not man the resemblance is rediculos. [/quote]
6-15 was short (and considerably chubbier looking that SN)
Savage is 6’3+ I thought?[/quote]
Yeah 6’3.5- 6’4. Probably 6’7 in heels.
At 280 these days.[/quote]
He was thinking you were Lewhitehurst…you know…because we all look the same.
Either way, good work on getting huge and keep contributing.