Off Season Maxx Charles

Training
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[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Mtag666 wrote:
Antoine is obviously training wrong. he’s doing heavy barbell and dumbell movements. Imagine if he only used hammer strength machines. [/quote]
There’s more than one way to skin a cat.
The free weight vs machines argument is so stupid when it comes to physique related goals.
This isn’t powerlifting.
There is a time and place for everything.[/quote]

There isn’t a time and place for everything in powerlifting?[/quote]
No[/quote]

I had an ex NFL middle linebacker, who is also a str coach at a D1 SEC school now tell me there is no reason to stand on anything like a ball to lift weights or practice balance. He said the difference in agility you get from standing on the ground versus a ball looking stupid is negligible and just invites injury.[/quote]

I am not speaking to that specifically, just the notion that there is not a time or a place for everything in powerlifting.

If I could add 1lb more on my squat by standing on a ball, I sure as fuck would. Hell, Dave Tate had magic spells cast on him and used energy crystals to see if it would add weight to his total. [/quote]
I know you are trying to argue for the sake of arguing but ill go along.
I never said there wasn’t a time and place for everything in powerlifting.
Powerlifting was mentioned in the context of machines vs free weights.
Each of those lines in my comment are independent statements.
My reply comment of “no” was a joke which you obviously missed.

I thought the photo would help enforce that.
Have you done the exercise ball squat’s?
If not (which I know you haven’t) why not?
ANSWER: because it’s stupid and most definitely wouldn’t help.
[/quote]

I’d argue that it COULD help but the risk vs reward is unmeasurably stupid.

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[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Mtag666 wrote:
Antoine is obviously training wrong. he’s doing heavy barbell and dumbell movements. Imagine if he only used hammer strength machines. [/quote]
There’s more than one way to skin a cat.
The free weight vs machines argument is so stupid when it comes to physique related goals.
This isn’t powerlifting.
There is a time and place for everything.[/quote]

There isn’t a time and place for everything in powerlifting?[/quote]
No[/quote]

I had an ex NFL middle linebacker, who is also a str coach at a D1 SEC school now tell me there is no reason to stand on anything like a ball to lift weights or practice balance. He said the difference in agility you get from standing on the ground versus a ball looking stupid is negligible and just invites injury.[/quote]

I am not speaking to that specifically, just the notion that there is not a time or a place for everything in powerlifting.

If I could add 1lb more on my squat by standing on a ball, I sure as fuck would. Hell, Dave Tate had magic spells cast on him and used energy crystals to see if it would add weight to his total. [/quote]
I know you are trying to argue for the sake of arguing but ill go along.
I never said there wasn’t a time and place for everything in powerlifting.
Powerlifting was mentioned in the context of machines vs free weights.
Each of those lines in my comment are independent statements.
My reply comment of “no” was a joke which you obviously missed.

I thought the photo would help enforce that.
Have you done the exercise ball squat’s?
If not (which I know you haven’t) why not?
ANSWER: because it’s stupid and most definitely wouldn’t help.
[/quote]

I’m actually not arguing for the sake of arguing, I just thought you had put powerlifting in an improper light. Powerlifters make use of machines and free weights too, just like bodybuilders.

I haven’t done the squat on the ball because I have not needed to, but I also have not ruled out the exercise.

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[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Mtag666 wrote:
Antoine is obviously training wrong. he’s doing heavy barbell and dumbell movements. Imagine if he only used hammer strength machines. [/quote]
There’s more than one way to skin a cat.
The free weight vs machines argument is so stupid when it comes to physique related goals.
This isn’t powerlifting.
There is a time and place for everything.[/quote]

There isn’t a time and place for everything in powerlifting?[/quote]
No[/quote]

I had an ex NFL middle linebacker, who is also a str coach at a D1 SEC school now tell me there is no reason to stand on anything like a ball to lift weights or practice balance. He said the difference in agility you get from standing on the ground versus a ball looking stupid is negligible and just invites injury.[/quote]

I am not speaking to that specifically, just the notion that there is not a time or a place for everything in powerlifting.

If I could add 1lb more on my squat by standing on a ball, I sure as fuck would. Hell, Dave Tate had magic spells cast on him and used energy crystals to see if it would add weight to his total. [/quote]
I know you are trying to argue for the sake of arguing but ill go along.
I never said there wasn’t a time and place for everything in powerlifting.
Powerlifting was mentioned in the context of machines vs free weights.
Each of those lines in my comment are independent statements.
My reply comment of “no” was a joke which you obviously missed.

I thought the photo would help enforce that.
Have you done the exercise ball squat’s?
If not (which I know you haven’t) why not?
ANSWER: because it’s stupid and most definitely wouldn’t help.
[/quote]

I’m actually not arguing for the sake of arguing, I just thought you had put powerlifting in an improper light. Powerlifters make use of machines and free weights too, just like bodybuilders.

I haven’t done the squat on the ball because I have not needed to, but I also have not ruled out the exercise.
[/quote]

Well I ruled it out when the only people I have ever seen do it look like absolute dog shit. I have never walked into a gym and seen an advanced powerlifter or bodybuilder standing on a ball. =D

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[quote]Bauber wrote:

Well I ruled it out when the only people I have ever seen do it look like absolute dog shit. I have never walked into a gym and seen an advanced powerlifter or bodybuilder standing on a ball. =D
[/quote]

Same with the partial reps.

If I see a huge fucker with 22" arms doing them, the LAST thing on my mind will be, “he doesn’t know how to lift”.

The evidence that he does is staring me right in the face.

Results rule over all…for real.

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[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Mtag666 wrote:
Antoine is obviously training wrong. he’s doing heavy barbell and dumbell movements. Imagine if he only used hammer strength machines. [/quote]
There’s more than one way to skin a cat.
The free weight vs machines argument is so stupid when it comes to physique related goals.
This isn’t powerlifting.
There is a time and place for everything.[/quote]

There isn’t a time and place for everything in powerlifting?[/quote]
No[/quote]

I had an ex NFL middle linebacker, who is also a str coach at a D1 SEC school now tell me there is no reason to stand on anything like a ball to lift weights or practice balance. He said the difference in agility you get from standing on the ground versus a ball looking stupid is negligible and just invites injury.[/quote]

I am not speaking to that specifically, just the notion that there is not a time or a place for everything in powerlifting.

If I could add 1lb more on my squat by standing on a ball, I sure as fuck would. Hell, Dave Tate had magic spells cast on him and used energy crystals to see if it would add weight to his total. [/quote]
I know you are trying to argue for the sake of arguing but ill go along.
I never said there wasn’t a time and place for everything in powerlifting.
Powerlifting was mentioned in the context of machines vs free weights.
Each of those lines in my comment are independent statements.
My reply comment of “no” was a joke which you obviously missed.

I thought the photo would help enforce that.
Have you done the exercise ball squat’s?
If not (which I know you haven’t) why not?
ANSWER: because it’s stupid and most definitely wouldn’t help.
[/quote]

I’m actually not arguing for the sake of arguing, I just thought you had put powerlifting in an improper light. Powerlifters make use of machines and free weights too, just like bodybuilders.

I haven’t done the squat on the ball because I have not needed to, but I also have not ruled out the exercise.
[/quote]
I wasn’t attempting to paint powerlifting in any light.
Like I said, I mentioned powerlifting to differentiate between the machines/partials/full rom talk.
I highly doubt you haven’t ruled out that exercise.
I would go so far as to say anyone who hasn’t ruled it out is, well, I won’t say it but I’m sure anyone can figure it out lol

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

Well I ruled it out when the only people I have ever seen do it look like absolute dog shit. I have never walked into a gym and seen an advanced powerlifter or bodybuilder standing on a ball. =D
[/quote]

Same with the partial reps.

If I see a huge fucker with 22" arms doing them, the LAST thing on my mind will be, “he doesn’t know how to lift”.

The evidence that he does is staring me right in the face.

Results rule over all…for real.[/quote]
Are you saying you’ve ruled out partials or have not ruled out partials?
I’m thinking the latter is what you were going for?

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[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

Well I ruled it out when the only people I have ever seen do it look like absolute dog shit. I have never walked into a gym and seen an advanced powerlifter or bodybuilder standing on a ball. =D
[/quote]

Same with the partial reps.

If I see a huge fucker with 22" arms doing them, the LAST thing on my mind will be, “he doesn’t know how to lift”.

The evidence that he does is staring me right in the face.

Results rule over all…for real.[/quote]
Are you saying you’ve ruled out partials or have not ruled out partials?
I’m thinking the latter is what you were going for?[/quote]

Seems to me like he is saying that if someone is fucking huge, who are we to tell them what they are doing is wrong?

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[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]Bauber wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:

[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]Mtag666 wrote:
Antoine is obviously training wrong. he’s doing heavy barbell and dumbell movements. Imagine if he only used hammer strength machines. [/quote]
There’s more than one way to skin a cat.
The free weight vs machines argument is so stupid when it comes to physique related goals.
This isn’t powerlifting.
There is a time and place for everything.[/quote]

There isn’t a time and place for everything in powerlifting?[/quote]
No[/quote]

I had an ex NFL middle linebacker, who is also a str coach at a D1 SEC school now tell me there is no reason to stand on anything like a ball to lift weights or practice balance. He said the difference in agility you get from standing on the ground versus a ball looking stupid is negligible and just invites injury.[/quote]

I am not speaking to that specifically, just the notion that there is not a time or a place for everything in powerlifting.

If I could add 1lb more on my squat by standing on a ball, I sure as fuck would. Hell, Dave Tate had magic spells cast on him and used energy crystals to see if it would add weight to his total. [/quote]
I know you are trying to argue for the sake of arguing but ill go along.
I never said there wasn’t a time and place for everything in powerlifting.
Powerlifting was mentioned in the context of machines vs free weights.
Each of those lines in my comment are independent statements.
My reply comment of “no” was a joke which you obviously missed.

I thought the photo would help enforce that.
Have you done the exercise ball squat’s?
If not (which I know you haven’t) why not?
ANSWER: because it’s stupid and most definitely wouldn’t help.
[/quote]

I’m actually not arguing for the sake of arguing, I just thought you had put powerlifting in an improper light. Powerlifters make use of machines and free weights too, just like bodybuilders.

I haven’t done the squat on the ball because I have not needed to, but I also have not ruled out the exercise.
[/quote]
I wasn’t attempting to paint powerlifting in any light.
Like I said, I mentioned powerlifting to differentiate between the machines/partials/full rom talk.
I highly doubt you haven’t ruled out that exercise.
I would go so far as to say anyone who hasn’t ruled it out is, well, I won’t say it but I’m sure anyone can figure it out lol[/quote]

But in mentioning powerlifting to differentiate, you would understand that doing so makes a statement about powerlifting, no?

It could be that this medium makes it difficult for me to understand you, but when you said “this isn’t powerlifting”, what was the intent of using powerlifting there?

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[quote]T3hPwnisher wrote:
but when you said “this isn’t powerlifting”, what was the intent of using powerlifting there?
[/quote]

When you said:

[quote]
Doing extremely abbreviated ROM lifts doesn’t build huge muscles. If it did, every quarter-squatter in the gym would be walking around with ridiculous wheels. I have a buddy who has done 1000+ rack pulls with this range of motion, but he’s weaker than I am on real lifts and obviously isn’t close to Charles’ size. Those sorts of claims are asinine and no one should get a pass for acting that silly.[/quote]

What did you mean?

It would seem you meant that he couldn’t build big muscles by doing what he was…

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While I wouldn’t say that he’s training “wrong”, I wouldn’t necessarily encourage others to emulate what he’s doing. I remember CT saying that genetics and drugs allow a lot of huge guys to look like they do despite their flawed training. This guy could probably use any decent training protocol and he would still look like a beast.

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[quote]super saiyan wrote:
While I wouldn’t say that he’s training “wrong”, I wouldn’t necessarily encourage others to emulate what he’s doing. I remember CT saying that genetics and drugs allow a lot of huge guys to look like they do despite their flawed training. This guy could probably use any decent training protocol and he would still look like a beast.[/quote]

Most really big guys are really big inspite of what they do, not because of it, could say the same about alot of lean guys as well.

These types of statements while true elicit alot of emotional responses because really big guys do not want their perceived hard work discretied and normal/smaller guys dont want to except that regardless of their hard work it just aint going to happen. Doesnt make it any less true.

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:
While I wouldn’t say that he’s training “wrong”, I wouldn’t necessarily encourage others to emulate what he’s doing. I remember CT saying that genetics and drugs allow a lot of huge guys to look like they do despite their flawed training. This guy could probably use any decent training protocol and he would still look like a beast.[/quote]

Most really big guys are really big inspite of what they do, not because of it, could say the same about alot of lean guys as well.

These types of statements while true elicit alot of emotional responses because really big guys do not want their perceived hard work discretied and normal/smaller guys dont want to except that regardless of their hard work it just aint going to happen. Doesnt make it any less true.

[/quote]

Why is this true though? Just because people say it? I’ve never truly understood the statment and how people can actually support. Drugs do not make anyone just blow up. I’ve seen so many people on AAS and on a lot that barely look like they lift. I’ve seen many people that do lots of partial movements, lots of volume and what most would call “stupid” training, yet they look great. That’s why I have never understood AAS can still make you huge even if your training is faulty. Doesn’t make sense based on what I have seen

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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:
While I wouldn’t say that he’s training “wrong”, I wouldn’t necessarily encourage others to emulate what he’s doing. I remember CT saying that genetics and drugs allow a lot of huge guys to look like they do despite their flawed training. This guy could probably use any decent training protocol and he would still look like a beast.[/quote]

Most really big guys are really big inspite of what they do, not because of it, could say the same about alot of lean guys as well.

These types of statements while true elicit alot of emotional responses because really big guys do not want their perceived hard work discretied and normal/smaller guys dont want to except that regardless of their hard work it just aint going to happen. Doesnt make it any less true.

[/quote]

Why is this true though? Just because people say it? I’ve never truly understood the statment and how people can actually support. Drugs do not make anyone just blow up. I’ve seen so many people on AAS and on a lot that barely look like they lift. I’ve seen many people that do lots of partial movements, lots of volume and what most would call “stupid” training, yet they look great. That’s why I have never understood AAS can still make you huge even if your training is faulty. Doesn’t make sense based on what I have seen[/quote]

I never mentioned drugs, I am talking about genetics namely. Gene expression, androgen receptors etc.

I actually agree 100% with what you just said and think it is my same argument.

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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:
While I wouldn’t say that he’s training “wrong”, I wouldn’t necessarily encourage others to emulate what he’s doing. I remember CT saying that genetics and drugs allow a lot of huge guys to look like they do despite their flawed training. This guy could probably use any decent training protocol and he would still look like a beast.[/quote]

Most really big guys are really big inspite of what they do, not because of it, could say the same about alot of lean guys as well.

These types of statements while true elicit alot of emotional responses because really big guys do not want their perceived hard work discretied and normal/smaller guys dont want to except that regardless of their hard work it just aint going to happen. Doesnt make it any less true.

[/quote]

Why is this true though? Just because people say it? I’ve never truly understood the statment and how people can actually support. Drugs do not make anyone just blow up. I’ve seen so many people on AAS and on a lot that barely look like they lift. I’ve seen many people that do lots of partial movements, lots of volume and what most would call “stupid” training, yet they look great. That’s why I have never understood AAS can still make you huge even if your training is faulty. Doesn’t make sense based on what I have seen[/quote]

Though my statement mentioned both, genetics play a far greater role than drugs.

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[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]Waittz wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:
While I wouldn’t say that he’s training “wrong”, I wouldn’t necessarily encourage others to emulate what he’s doing. I remember CT saying that genetics and drugs allow a lot of huge guys to look like they do despite their flawed training. This guy could probably use any decent training protocol and he would still look like a beast.[/quote]

Most really big guys are really big inspite of what they do, not because of it, could say the same about alot of lean guys as well.

These types of statements while true elicit alot of emotional responses because really big guys do not want their perceived hard work discretied and normal/smaller guys dont want to except that regardless of their hard work it just aint going to happen. Doesnt make it any less true.

[/quote]

Why is this true though? Just because people say it? I’ve never truly understood the statment and how people can actually support. Drugs do not make anyone just blow up. I’ve seen so many people on AAS and on a lot that barely look like they lift. I’ve seen many people that do lots of partial movements, lots of volume and what most would call “stupid” training, yet they look great. That’s why I have never understood AAS can still make you huge even if your training is faulty. Doesn’t make sense based on what I have seen[/quote]

I never mentioned drugs, I am talking about genetics namely. Gene expression, androgen receptors etc.

I actually agree 100% with what you just said and think it is my same argument. [/quote]

I’m sorry I was replying to both quotes

I am more disagreeing with big guys are big despite hard training/smart training. I think for 99% of big guys they train the way that makes them grow best most likely use AAS, they eat the way that works best for them. There will be the one percent that can do what ever the fuck they want and look at weights and just grow. Just my opinion.

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Truth be told, I don’t know who you should follow. When people succeed, the internet trend is to say that they were just lucky. When people fail, we say it’s because they weren’t training right.

Matt Kroc got told for years that he just plain didn’t have the genetics to succeed. Now that he is successful, people say it’s because he’s a genetic freak.

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I always wonder how some guys who use slin/gh are able to keep it tight in the midsection while others are not able too. Is it mostly genetic or something else(such as proper usage of slin). Walkway any insight into this buddy?

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[quote]optheta wrote:
I always wonder how some guys who use slin/gh are able to keep it tight in the midsection while others are not able too. Is it mostly genetic or something else(such as proper usage of slin). Walkway any insight into this buddy?[/quote]

Dose age will be the biggest factor IMO

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[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]optheta wrote:
I always wonder how some guys who use slin/gh are able to keep it tight in the midsection while others are not able too. Is it mostly genetic or something else(such as proper usage of slin). Walkway any insight into this buddy?[/quote]

Dose age will be the biggest factor IMO [/quote]
Dosages and how the individuals body responds to the drugs.
One of the biggest genetic factors for the freaks out there is their ability to be on tons of drugs and not have their body systems shut down because of it lol

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[quote]Smashingweights wrote:

[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:

[quote]optheta wrote:
I always wonder how some guys who use slin/gh are able to keep it tight in the midsection while others are not able too. Is it mostly genetic or something else(such as proper usage of slin). Walkway any insight into this buddy?[/quote]

Dose age will be the biggest factor IMO [/quote]
Dosages and how the individuals body responds to the drugs.
One of the biggest genetic factors for the freaks out there is their ability to be on tons of drugs and not have their body systems shut down because of it lol[/quote]

Not sure how much genetics will help with high insulin and GH dosesge and not developing a gut. I agree with that statment about sides for the most part though.