Are you saying a pro bodybuilder can’t do stupid things? Do you think he does only partials? Brb Jason Huh training with featherweight and 1/16th ROM to get hyooooge.
Why? The length/tension relationship of muscle comes to mind. Even with a huge load, the tension doesn’t compare to a lower load at greater ranges of motion; this wouldn’t be an issue if the partial was something reasonable, but that wasn’t what I was talking about. You inferred incorrectly that I meant all partials are bad, so I’ll state that no, I don’t think they’re all bad for bodybuilding. 8" Rack pull singles need not apply, though.
Then of course you have to consider the reduced time under tension of fractional range of motion, and it doesn’t seem likely to me that extreme partials are doing much of anything. Also, consider that the lift in question was a single, so there’s almost no chance it was doing anything other than feeding his idiocy.[/quote]
Are you saying a pro bodybuilder can’t do stupid things? Do you think he does only partials? Brb Jason Huh training with featherweight and 1/16th ROM to get hyooooge.
Why? The length/tension relationship of muscle comes to mind. Even with a huge load, the tension doesn’t compare to a lower load at greater ranges of motion; this wouldn’t be an issue if the partial was something reasonable, but that wasn’t what I was talking about. You inferred incorrectly that I meant all partials are bad, so I’ll state that no, I don’t think they’re all bad for bodybuilding. 8" Rack pull singles need not apply, though.
Then of course you have to consider the reduced time under tension of fractional range of motion, and it doesn’t seem likely to me that extreme partials are doing much of anything. Also, consider that the lift in question was a single, so there’s almost no chance it was doing anything other than feeding his idiocy.[/quote]
Why do some people have to be so negative?[/quote]
Let them be stupid, stop replying to them, and they’ll stop replying to you!
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
You are right though this is going no where. You just keep critiquing pros and how they train. I will stick thinking they might actualky know what works for them. And I will keep using partials in my training because I believe they do work. This was fun though. [/quote]
I use partial ROMS on some lifts and it as helped tremendously. [/quote]
Same here. Helped blow my upper chest back up after the accident.
[quote]Spidey22 wrote:
My theory is just that he does use partial ROM, but on camera, he goes a bit heavier then he does usually.
So he ends up limiting the ROM a bit more for the heavier weight, when in reality his ROM 9/10 of his workouts is larger.
He also uses straps on his pressing movements, like I said earlier. [/quote]
From watching the video, I imagine the straps are due to his thumbless grip. It’s actually a pretty interesting solution.
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That’s what I thought initially, but I think he said (accent is a bit heavy so may have misinterpreted what he meant) that it just allows extra ‘cushioning’, so he he could grip harder, which gave him more control. Basically like with some cushioning between your hand and the iron, you can grip harder and it not be as painful?
But I do think it’s a neat solution to thumbless pressing.
Curious, I see some people press thumbless as he does, with the thumb kind of extended to the side against the bar. Anyone else do this? Looks and feels awkward when I’ve tried, just curious if there are any advantages?
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
You are right though this is going no where. You just keep critiquing pros and how they train. I will stick thinking they might actualky know what works for them. And I will keep using partials in my training because I believe they do work. This was fun though. [/quote]
I use partial ROMS on some lifts and it as helped tremendously. [/quote]
Same here. Helped blow my upper chest back up after the accident.[/quote]
Agreed. All my chest training now is 3/4-1/2 ROM to keep tension on my chest throughout the set. I feel it even more on the bench machine. X, you use the hammer strength for your primary chest exercise, correct?
[quote]J. Prufrock wrote:
That video turned out to be extremely relevant to the discussion going on in here. Nice job, Spidey. He straight up says he does it how he wants to and it works for him. Enough said.[/quote]
Yeah I mean he seems pretty self-aware that he uses partials, and has reasoning for doing so. And lighter sets he uses more ROM, so I think he just goes a little ‘heavier’ for the camera often times. So I think his typical ROM day-to-day is probably resembling something closer to what msot do.
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
You are right though this is going no where. You just keep critiquing pros and how they train. I will stick thinking they might actualky know what works for them. And I will keep using partials in my training because I believe they do work. This was fun though. [/quote]
I use partial ROMS on some lifts and it as helped tremendously. [/quote]
Same here. Helped blow my upper chest back up after the accident.[/quote]
Agreed. All my chest training now is 3/4-1/2 ROM to keep tension on my chest throughout the set. I feel it even more on the bench machine. X, you use the hammer strength for your primary chest exercise, correct? [/quote]
Since the accident, yeah, that is my main movement. I think my upper chest sticks out about 2.5" from my sternum when flexed. That is mostly because of those incline movements.
[quote]Mtag666 wrote:
Antoine is obviously training wrong. he’s doing heavy barbell and dumbell movements. Imagine if he only used hammer strength machines. [/quote]
There’s more than one way to skin a cat.
The free weight vs machines argument is so stupid when it comes to physique related goals.
This isn’t powerlifting.
There is a time and place for everything.
[quote]Mtag666 wrote:
Antoine is obviously training wrong. he’s doing heavy barbell and dumbell movements. Imagine if he only used hammer strength machines. [/quote]
There’s more than one way to skin a cat.
The free weight vs machines argument is so stupid when it comes to physique related goals.
This isn’t powerlifting.
There is a time and place for everything.[/quote]
There isn’t a time and place for everything in powerlifting?
[quote]Mtag666 wrote:
Antoine is obviously training wrong. he’s doing heavy barbell and dumbell movements. Imagine if he only used hammer strength machines. [/quote]
There’s more than one way to skin a cat.
The free weight vs machines argument is so stupid when it comes to physique related goals.
This isn’t powerlifting.
There is a time and place for everything.[/quote]
[quote]Mtag666 wrote:
Antoine is obviously training wrong. he’s doing heavy barbell and dumbell movements. Imagine if he only used hammer strength machines. [/quote]
There’s more than one way to skin a cat.
The free weight vs machines argument is so stupid when it comes to physique related goals.
This isn’t powerlifting.
There is a time and place for everything.[/quote]
There isn’t a time and place for everything in powerlifting?[/quote]
No
[quote]Mtag666 wrote:
Antoine is obviously training wrong. he’s doing heavy barbell and dumbell movements. Imagine if he only used hammer strength machines. [/quote]
There’s more than one way to skin a cat.
The free weight vs machines argument is so stupid when it comes to physique related goals.
This isn’t powerlifting.
There is a time and place for everything.[/quote]
There isn’t a time and place for everything in powerlifting?[/quote]
No[/quote]
[quote]Mtag666 wrote:
Antoine is obviously training wrong. he’s doing heavy barbell and dumbell movements. Imagine if he only used hammer strength machines. [/quote]
There’s more than one way to skin a cat.
The free weight vs machines argument is so stupid when it comes to physique related goals.
This isn’t powerlifting.
There is a time and place for everything.[/quote]
There isn’t a time and place for everything in powerlifting?[/quote]
No[/quote]
I had an ex NFL middle linebacker, who is also a str coach at a D1 SEC school now tell me there is no reason to stand on anything like a ball to lift weights or practice balance. He said the difference in agility you get from standing on the ground versus a ball looking stupid is negligible and just invites injury.
[quote]Mtag666 wrote:
Antoine is obviously training wrong. he’s doing heavy barbell and dumbell movements. Imagine if he only used hammer strength machines. [/quote]
There’s more than one way to skin a cat.
The free weight vs machines argument is so stupid when it comes to physique related goals.
This isn’t powerlifting.
There is a time and place for everything.[/quote]
There isn’t a time and place for everything in powerlifting?[/quote]
No[/quote]
I had an ex NFL middle linebacker, who is also a str coach at a D1 SEC school now tell me there is no reason to stand on anything like a ball to lift weights or practice balance. He said the difference in agility you get from standing on the ground versus a ball looking stupid is negligible and just invites injury.[/quote]
I am not speaking to that specifically, just the notion that there is not a time or a place for everything in powerlifting.
If I could add 1lb more on my squat by standing on a ball, I sure as fuck would. Hell, Dave Tate had magic spells cast on him and used energy crystals to see if it would add weight to his total.
[quote]Mtag666 wrote:
Antoine is obviously training wrong. he’s doing heavy barbell and dumbell movements. Imagine if he only used hammer strength machines. [/quote]
There’s more than one way to skin a cat.
The free weight vs machines argument is so stupid when it comes to physique related goals.
This isn’t powerlifting.
There is a time and place for everything.[/quote]
There isn’t a time and place for everything in powerlifting?[/quote]
No[/quote]
I had an ex NFL middle linebacker, who is also a str coach at a D1 SEC school now tell me there is no reason to stand on anything like a ball to lift weights or practice balance. He said the difference in agility you get from standing on the ground versus a ball looking stupid is negligible and just invites injury.[/quote]
I am not speaking to that specifically, just the notion that there is not a time or a place for everything in powerlifting.
If I could add 1lb more on my squat by standing on a ball, I sure as fuck would. Hell, Dave Tate had magic spells cast on him and used energy crystals to see if it would add weight to his total. [/quote]
[quote]Mtag666 wrote:
Antoine is obviously training wrong. he’s doing heavy barbell and dumbell movements. Imagine if he only used hammer strength machines. [/quote]
There’s more than one way to skin a cat.
The free weight vs machines argument is so stupid when it comes to physique related goals.
This isn’t powerlifting.
There is a time and place for everything.[/quote]
There isn’t a time and place for everything in powerlifting?[/quote]
No[/quote]
I had an ex NFL middle linebacker, who is also a str coach at a D1 SEC school now tell me there is no reason to stand on anything like a ball to lift weights or practice balance. He said the difference in agility you get from standing on the ground versus a ball looking stupid is negligible and just invites injury.[/quote]
I am not speaking to that specifically, just the notion that there is not a time or a place for everything in powerlifting.
If I could add 1lb more on my squat by standing on a ball, I sure as fuck would. Hell, Dave Tate had magic spells cast on him and used energy crystals to see if it would add weight to his total. [/quote]
I know you are trying to argue for the sake of arguing but ill go along.
I never said there wasn’t a time and place for everything in powerlifting.
Powerlifting was mentioned in the context of machines vs free weights.
Each of those lines in my comment are independent statements.
My reply comment of “no” was a joke which you obviously missed.
I thought the photo would help enforce that.
Have you done the exercise ball squat’s?
If not (which I know you haven’t) why not?
ANSWER: because it’s stupid and most definitely wouldn’t help.
