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[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]DaCharmingAlbino wrote:
Hell of a jump on that standing press. Pretty impressive, meat. Almost there.[/quote]

thanks tony. hopefully within the next month i’ll hit 315. i’m going to start doing some heavy(er) push presses after my strict(er) ones to overload the lockout.

have by chance checked out the t-cell lately. remember back a couple weeks when someone was talking about doing a smith machine bench with 600lbs? they just posted some 405lb bench for reps vid. curious what you think about it:)
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Not sure which thread you’re referring to there, boss.

I checked Akuma’s profile for vids and he has one of him doing inclined partial reps @ 405. Being a buck-90 and having a crappy bench myself, that looks pretty impressive to me, but it’s not a full bench. Done for reps it should have some carry-over to a full range single or double. I no longer discount partials. My opinion (these days) is that any time a person unracks a heavy weight in training and moves it some distance, the question ought not to be whether it’s a legal movement or not, but whether it’s doing for them what they intended. Even though I dissed Big Cliff’s loackouts of 600, he’s clearly a big and strong guy who can rep 405 full range. I can’t do that, so what’re my nyah-nyah-nyah’s worth?

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[quote]DaCharmingAlbino wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]DaCharmingAlbino wrote:
Hell of a jump on that standing press. Pretty impressive, meat. Almost there.[/quote]

thanks tony. hopefully within the next month i’ll hit 315. i’m going to start doing some heavy(er) push presses after my strict(er) ones to overload the lockout.

have by chance checked out the t-cell lately. remember back a couple weeks when someone was talking about doing a smith machine bench with 600lbs? they just posted some 405lb bench for reps vid. curious what you think about it:)
[/quote]

Not sure which thread you’re referring to there, boss.

I checked Akuma’s profile for vids and he has one of him doing inclined partial reps @ 405. Being a buck-90 and having a crappy bench myself, that looks pretty impressive to me, but it’s not a full bench. Done for reps it should have some carry-over to a full range single or double. I no longer discount partials. My opinion (these days) is that any time a person unracks a heavy weight in training and moves it some distance, the question ought not to be whether it’s a legal movement or not, but whether it’s doing for them what they intended. Even though I dissed Big Cliff’s loackouts of 600, he’s clearly a big and strong guy who can rep 405 full range. I can’t do that, so what’re my nyah-nyah-nyah’s worth?[/quote]

he started a thread in the t-cell to quiet everyone.

it’s the camera angle. it’s a flat bench.

i don’t discount partials either but one just needs to be honest about what they are doing. don’t say you are benching whatever for whatever and then post a vid of a bench with a ROM of a few inches with the spotters hands all over the bar and then call it 405 for reps. it’s annoying.

in my opinion, partials done like that with that all over the place bar path is an injury waiting to happen. but what do i know.

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[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]DaCharmingAlbino wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]DaCharmingAlbino wrote:
Hell of a jump on that standing press. Pretty impressive, meat. Almost there.[/quote]

thanks tony. hopefully within the next month i’ll hit 315. i’m going to start doing some heavy(er) push presses after my strict(er) ones to overload the lockout.

have by chance checked out the t-cell lately. remember back a couple weeks when someone was talking about doing a smith machine bench with 600lbs? they just posted some 405lb bench for reps vid. curious what you think about it:)
[/quote]

Not sure which thread you’re referring to there, boss.

I checked Akuma’s profile for vids and he has one of him doing inclined partial reps @ 405. Being a buck-90 and having a crappy bench myself, that looks pretty impressive to me, but it’s not a full bench. Done for reps it should have some carry-over to a full range single or double. I no longer discount partials. My opinion (these days) is that any time a person unracks a heavy weight in training and moves it some distance, the question ought not to be whether it’s a legal movement or not, but whether it’s doing for them what they intended. Even though I dissed Big Cliff’s loackouts of 600, he’s clearly a big and strong guy who can rep 405 full range. I can’t do that, so what’re my nyah-nyah-nyah’s worth?[/quote]

he started a thread in the t-cell to quiet everyone.

it’s the camera angle. it’s a flat bench.

i don’t discount partials either but one just needs to be honest about what they are doing. don’t say you are benching whatever for whatever and then post a vid of a bench with a ROM of a few inches with the spotters hands all over the bar and then call it 405 for reps. it’s annoying.

in my opinion, partials done like that with that all over the place bar path is an injury waiting to happen. but what do i know.
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I call em imaginary board presses, and they are really good for imaginary strength.

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[quote]PeteS wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]DaCharmingAlbino wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]DaCharmingAlbino wrote:
Hell of a jump on that standing press. Pretty impressive, meat. Almost there.[/quote]

thanks tony. hopefully within the next month i’ll hit 315. i’m going to start doing some heavy(er) push presses after my strict(er) ones to overload the lockout.

have by chance checked out the t-cell lately. remember back a couple weeks when someone was talking about doing a smith machine bench with 600lbs? they just posted some 405lb bench for reps vid. curious what you think about it:)
[/quote]

Not sure which thread you’re referring to there, boss.

I checked Akuma’s profile for vids and he has one of him doing inclined partial reps @ 405. Being a buck-90 and having a crappy bench myself, that looks pretty impressive to me, but it’s not a full bench. Done for reps it should have some carry-over to a full range single or double. I no longer discount partials. My opinion (these days) is that any time a person unracks a heavy weight in training and moves it some distance, the question ought not to be whether it’s a legal movement or not, but whether it’s doing for them what they intended. Even though I dissed Big Cliff’s loackouts of 600, he’s clearly a big and strong guy who can rep 405 full range. I can’t do that, so what’re my nyah-nyah-nyah’s worth?[/quote]

he started a thread in the t-cell to quiet everyone.

it’s the camera angle. it’s a flat bench.

i don’t discount partials either but one just needs to be honest about what they are doing. don’t say you are benching whatever for whatever and then post a vid of a bench with a ROM of a few inches with the spotters hands all over the bar and then call it 405 for reps. it’s annoying.

in my opinion, partials done like that with that all over the place bar path is an injury waiting to happen. but what do i know.
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I call em imaginary board presses, and they are really good for imaginary strength. [/quote]

you also have to add in the spotter getting their row workout in as well. drives me nuts. this is the kind of stuff that people are talking about when the throw around numbers. i have guys at the gym that say yeah… i bench 405 for reps. meanwhile they can’t do one full rep by themselves. i had this guy ask me to spot him one day. he had 405 on the bar. he said that he was good for 5 or so reps. i lift off the bar and let go. it immidiately went to his chest and plastered him to the bench. i picked it up and racked it. he jumps up all mad and says “why did you let the bar fall on me?? you are supposed to spot me??” i said, “hoss i’m a spotter not a miracle worker” “if you tell me you are good for 5 or so, i shouldn’t have to get near the bar until rep 4” He said that good spotters help a little to get through the sticking points" i laughed and said “if you want someone to do rows tell them beforehand and make sure it’s their back and bicep day”

in the real world it ain’t a real lift unless it’s full ROM and no one touching the bar. plain and simple. everything else is a variation of that given lift and should be stated as such. as for the spotter plastered all over the bar, that’s just ego lifting. i hate having spotters. my training partners get so pissed with me because even on heavy bench i hate liftoffs and spots. the guys i train with know better than to touch the bar during my lift. i get so damn mad if someone even gets close to the bar. it’s just bad mojo.

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Well - I do agree that there should be some sort of adjective that accurately describes what you’re doing, rather than simply calling them “bench presses.” It IS misleading.

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[quote]DaCharmingAlbino wrote:
Well - I do agree that there should be some sort of adjective that accurately describes what you’re doing, rather than simply calling them “bench presses.” It IS misleading.[/quote]

“Shrug spotter”

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[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]PeteS wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]DaCharmingAlbino wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]DaCharmingAlbino wrote:
Hell of a jump on that standing press. Pretty impressive, meat. Almost there.[/quote]

thanks tony. hopefully within the next month i’ll hit 315. i’m going to start doing some heavy(er) push presses after my strict(er) ones to overload the lockout.

have by chance checked out the t-cell lately. remember back a couple weeks when someone was talking about doing a smith machine bench with 600lbs? they just posted some 405lb bench for reps vid. curious what you think about it:)
[/quote]

Not sure which thread you’re referring to there, boss.

I checked Akuma’s profile for vids and he has one of him doing inclined partial reps @ 405. Being a buck-90 and having a crappy bench myself, that looks pretty impressive to me, but it’s not a full bench. Done for reps it should have some carry-over to a full range single or double. I no longer discount partials. My opinion (these days) is that any time a person unracks a heavy weight in training and moves it some distance, the question ought not to be whether it’s a legal movement or not, but whether it’s doing for them what they intended. Even though I dissed Big Cliff’s loackouts of 600, he’s clearly a big and strong guy who can rep 405 full range. I can’t do that, so what’re my nyah-nyah-nyah’s worth?[/quote]

he started a thread in the t-cell to quiet everyone.

it’s the camera angle. it’s a flat bench.

i don’t discount partials either but one just needs to be honest about what they are doing. don’t say you are benching whatever for whatever and then post a vid of a bench with a ROM of a few inches with the spotters hands all over the bar and then call it 405 for reps. it’s annoying.

in my opinion, partials done like that with that all over the place bar path is an injury waiting to happen. but what do i know.
[/quote]

I call em imaginary board presses, and they are really good for imaginary strength. [/quote]

you also have to add in the spotter getting their row workout in as well. drives me nuts. this is the kind of stuff that people are talking about when the throw around numbers. i have guys at the gym that say yeah… i bench 405 for reps. meanwhile they can’t do one full rep by themselves. i had this guy ask me to spot him one day. he had 405 on the bar. he said that he was good for 5 or so reps. i lift off the bar and let go. it immidiately went to his chest and plastered him to the bench. i picked it up and racked it. he jumps up all mad and says “why did you let the bar fall on me?? you are supposed to spot me??” i said, “hoss i’m a spotter not a miracle worker” “if you tell me you are good for 5 or so, i shouldn’t have to get near the bar until rep 4” He said that good spotters help a little to get through the sticking points" i laughed and said “if you want someone to do rows tell them beforehand and make sure it’s their back and bicep day”

in the real world it ain’t a real lift unless it’s full ROM and no one touching the bar. plain and simple. everything else is a variation of that given lift and should be stated as such. as for the spotter plastered all over the bar, that’s just ego lifting. i hate having spotters. my training partners get so pissed with me because even on heavy bench i hate liftoffs and spots. the guys i train with know better than to touch the bar during my lift. i get so damn mad if someone even gets close to the bar. it’s just bad mojo.
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Yeah, the whole ‘working through’ sticking points thing is ridiculous, but it is the result of old Mussells & Fiction reading. What some pro bodybuilder used or didn’t use w/discression turns into every gym rats modus operandi. I am almost thinking of lifting at all at my current commercial gym becuase I have a) gotten kinda of well known (meaning I am kind of a spectacle) and b) people want me to spot them and give them advise. I don’t mind doing either, at all, ever, except when I tell them that they are 8 inches above parrellel or that having somebody row the weight for you is not benching, they get all pissy.

I do disagree on not taking lift offs, but a) I fugged up my shoulders years ago benching like one of the above described idiots and b) I am a fuggen gearwhore, what, am I gonna take 600+ out of the racks myself?

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[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

you also have to add in the spotter getting their row workout in as well. drives me nuts. this is the kind of stuff that people are talking about when the throw around numbers. i have guys at the gym that say yeah… i bench 405 for reps. meanwhile they can’t do one full rep by themselves. i had this guy ask me to spot him one day. he had 405 on the bar. he said that he was good for 5 or so reps. i lift off the bar and let go. it immidiately went to his chest and plastered him to the bench. i picked it up and racked it. he jumps up all mad and says “why did you let the bar fall on me?? you are supposed to spot me??” i said, “hoss i’m a spotter not a miracle worker” “if you tell me you are good for 5 or so, i shouldn’t have to get near the bar until rep 4” He said that good spotters help a little to get through the sticking points" i laughed and said “if you want someone to do rows tell them beforehand and make sure it’s their back and bicep day”

in the real world it ain’t a real lift unless it’s full ROM and no one touching the bar. plain and simple. everything else is a variation of that given lift and should be stated as such. as for the spotter plastered all over the bar, that’s just ego lifting. i hate having spotters. my training partners get so pissed with me because even on heavy bench i hate liftoffs and spots. the guys i train with know better than to touch the bar during my lift. i get so damn mad if someone even gets close to the bar. it’s just bad mojo.
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Winner! A vid would be even funnier.

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Don’t hold anything back Boss… tell us how you really feel…

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[quote]bunny7568 wrote:
Don’t hold anything back Boss… tell us how you really feel…[/quote]

not much bothers me but crap like that really gets to me. maybe because i’m surrounded by it everytime i go to the gym. the crazy thing is i can do the same lift, the right way and then a dude will do his variation with less than half the ROM and a spotter tugging on it the entire time and in their mind we just did the exact same thing.

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I’m gonna do some squats tonight with the same weight scott does. I’ll probably only be able to unrack it and drop it back down, but I think that still counts. I can tell everyone I did it anyway. :stuck_out_tongue:

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[quote]Joweeee wrote:
I’m gonna do some squats tonight with the same weight scott does. I’ll probably only be able to unrack it and drop it back down, but I think that still counts. I can tell everyone I did it anyway. :p[/quote]

i’ll be sure to give you a really tight spot as well. i’m sure that could take more than a 100lbs or so off the bar.

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[quote]DaCharmingAlbino wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]DaCharmingAlbino wrote:
Hell of a jump on that standing press. Pretty impressive, meat. Almost there.[/quote]

thanks tony. hopefully within the next month i’ll hit 315. i’m going to start doing some heavy(er) push presses after my strict(er) ones to overload the lockout.

have by chance checked out the t-cell lately. remember back a couple weeks when someone was talking about doing a smith machine bench with 600lbs? they just posted some 405lb bench for reps vid. curious what you think about it:)
[/quote]

Not sure which thread you’re referring to there, boss.

I checked Akuma’s profile for vids and he has one of him doing inclined partial reps @ 405. Being a buck-90 and having a crappy bench myself, that looks pretty impressive to me, but it’s not a full bench. Done for reps it should have some carry-over to a full range single or double. I no longer discount partials. My opinion (these days) is that any time a person unracks a heavy weight in training and moves it some distance, the question ought not to be whether it’s a legal movement or not, but whether it’s doing for them what they intended. Even though I dissed Big Cliff’s loackouts of 600, he’s clearly a big and strong guy who can rep 405 full range. I can’t do that, so what’re my nyah-nyah-nyah’s worth?[/quote]

You’re too much of a gentleman, DCA. I have to agree with MM. Either do what you say, or don’t say it. Lack of accountability is the road to perdition. “A man’s gotta know his limitations” -if everyone followed this corny but wise axiom, half the world’s problems would go poof. Just because the guy’s bigger and (maybe) stronger than you, that doesn’t give him license to do/say whatever he pleases. Sorry for the rant. (gets off soapbox)

Not to mention, all these pseudo “lifts” diminish the accomplishments of the people who truly make these lifts. And that’s just wrong.

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[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]Joweeee wrote:
I’m gonna do some squats tonight with the same weight scott does. I’ll probably only be able to unrack it and drop it back down, but I think that still counts. I can tell everyone I did it anyway. :p[/quote]

i’ll be sure to give you a really tight spot as well…
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I hope this is not heading down the path of tranny porn… :wink:

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[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
you also have to add in the spotter getting their row workout in as well. drives me nuts. this is the kind of stuff that people are talking about when the throw around numbers. i have guys at the gym that say yeah… i bench 405 for reps. meanwhile they can’t do one full rep by themselves. i had this guy ask me to spot him one day. he had 405 on the bar.

he said that he was good for 5 or so reps. i lift off the bar and let go. it immidiately went to his chest and plastered him to the bench. i picked it up and racked it. he jumps up all mad and says “why did you let the bar fall on me?? you are supposed to spot me??” i said, “hoss i’m a spotter not a miracle worker” “if you tell me you are good for 5 or so, i shouldn’t have to get near the bar until rep 4”

He said that good spotters help a little to get through the sticking points" i laughed and said “if you want someone to do rows tell them beforehand and make sure it’s their back and bicep day”
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Agree on this. If someone asks me to spot nowadays, I ask them how they want me to spot. When I ask for a spot, likewise I tell them not to touch the bar unless they see it going the wrong way.

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[quote]punnyguy wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

[quote]Joweeee wrote:
I’m gonna do some squats tonight with the same weight scott does. I’ll probably only be able to unrack it and drop it back down, but I think that still counts. I can tell everyone I did it anyway. :p[/quote]

i’ll be sure to give you a really tight spot as well…
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I hope this is not heading down the path of tranny porn… ;-)[/quote]

it might… that shit can sneak up on you when you least expect it.

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so… the group has made a decision about our next training cycle. we’ve decided to give the powerlifting stuff a little break and concentrate on bodybuilding style of lifting for a couple months. i feel like i need a break from all the low reps and variations. we are going to slowly increase volume and reps as our conditioning improves. i’m hoping that after doing some hypertrophy training, i’ll come back even stronger. i also have a couple nagging injuries that i haven’t given the chance to heal up.

tonight was squat, upper back and biceps.

squats- full ROM, paused at bottom. kept the weight light(er) and will slowly increase reps, sets and weight over time.

0x8
135x8
225x6
315x8
405x8

front squat
135x20

pullups

BW +45 x 6
BW x 10 dead hang, long pause at bottom

barbell rows
135x10
225x30

cybex curls
some x some

reverse dumbell curls
some x some

doesn’t look like much becuase it really wasn’t. we are going to ease into the volume and hopefully decrease rest times between sets.

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Nice volume (at least it would be for a mortal like myself).

I rewatched your 300# mil press. You know, you could probably add a few more pounds and about 12 reps to that if you had better spotting.

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[quote]SteelyD wrote:
Nice volume (at least it would be for a mortal like myself).

I rewatched your 300# mil press. You know, you could probably add a few more pounds and about 12 reps to that if you had better spotting.[/quote]

Spotting a military press. I’m trying to work out the angles in my head. It’s not coming to me. They don’t have a platform tall enough to spot mils!!!

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Finally watched your GPP videos last night. That hill looks brutal. Now you just need to find a big rock to pick up and carry.