Not All Big Guys Do 'Roids

Training Bodybuilding
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[quote]AverageJay wrote:
derek wrote:

If you were not born with that bone structure or muscle mass you are not going to get there without “help”. You can improve greatly on what you have. But you’re not goind to be one of the monsters.

Shit if I was born with that bone structure or muscle mass, I think my mother would’ve had some tough labor!

I think I was like only 6lbs when I was born.

So I see the point is still going over your head?

You’re response is really not factual.

So you are thinking I’m gonna add about an inch and a half to my wrist size and ankle size by lifitng heavy weight? Or somehow eating correctly is going to give me a frame capable of supporting 300 lbs of body weight with a resonable amount of body fat? You are not living in reality.

It’s people that get the idea in their head that lifting and eating right is going to get them to a point like that statue that don’t stay in the gym. Unless of course they are the genetically gifted and can attain that size. But you can usually tell a person like that before they even start lifting. For the 99% of the rest of us average guys, it takes years just to be bigger and stronger than all the other slugs in society. And that’s a great accomplishment in itself. But believing that every joe that steps in the gym is capable of 19 inch arms with no roids or GH is a recipe for frustration.

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There are limits to genetic potential. But you certainly seem to have a defeatist mentality. What does your diet and training look like? Are you unhappy with your progress? You really think there isn’t more you could be doing?

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No he wasnt juicing…he was just eating the testicles of certain animals…oh wait that would be a form of steroids.

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[quote]facko wrote:
No he wasnt juicing…he was just eating the testicles of certain animals…oh wait that would be a form of steroids.[/quote]

That’s a good point facko, has anyone done any research on this? Can people eat testicles and get a steroid like effect? I am serious I want to know if anyone has heard anything on this (I have no intention of eating testicles though, I was offered them in Iceland)

I don’t know why people get so annoyed at the statue … very weird. And nobody seemed to read my post which referred to much better evidence. And a lot of people seem to miss the point, that was that you don’t need steroids - but that doesn’t mean you are going to be hercules. (with or without roids)

the hercules statue at this site
http://www.sandowmuseum.com/

looks far more realistic to me.

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Hercules was half god. You don’t need steroids when your dad rules the universe.

Although, logic would induce me to believe that this picture could mean one of a few things:

1)If you use steroids, you will turn to stone.

2)Don’t use steroids, just make sure your father is a powerful God.

  1. All of Hercules’ homeruns after a certain year must be discounted until bloodwork comes back.

Don’t mind me I haven’t slept for two days and I worked 13 hours today. Goodnight.

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[quote]jsbrook wrote:
AverageJay wrote:
derek wrote:

If you were not born with that bone structure or muscle mass you are not going to get there without “help”. You can improve greatly on what you have. But you’re not goind to be one of the monsters.

Shit if I was born with that bone structure or muscle mass, I think my mother would’ve had some tough labor!

I think I was like only 6lbs when I was born.

So I see the point is still going over your head?

You’re response is really not factual.

So you are thinking I’m gonna add about an inch and a half to my wrist size and ankle size by lifitng heavy weight? Or somehow eating correctly is going to give me a frame capable of supporting 300 lbs of body weight with a resonable amount of body fat? You are not living in reality.

It’s people that get the idea in their head that lifting and eating right is going to get them to a point like that statue that don’t stay in the gym. Unless of course they are the genetically gifted and can attain that size. But you can usually tell a person like that before they even start lifting. For the 99% of the rest of us average guys, it takes years just to be bigger and stronger than all the other slugs in society. And that’s a great accomplishment in itself. But believing that every joe that steps in the gym is capable of 19 inch arms with no roids or GH is a recipe for frustration.

There are limits to genetic potential. But you certainly seem to have a defeatist mentality. What does your diet and training look like? Are you unhappy with your progress? You really think there isn’t more you could be doing?[/quote]

No, I’m actually pretty happy with what I’ve achieved. I was a soft 180 lbs when I finished high school and at 34 am about 220 lbs without a gut hanging over my belt. Diet has always been decent, I rarely eat for pleasure. Most meals are for fuel. But my point is it has taken me years to achieve and maintain that. And I’ve worked out with and been friends with a vast array of different genetic specimen. My college roomate ate enough to make me look like I was fasting. And you can question his lifting all you want, but he put his work in. But the poor bastard couldn’t put weight on to save his life. But I’ve also known a couple of guys that don’t even change their diet and just lift for short periods of time and blow up at will.

And finally I know quite a few fellas that spent years like I did only gaining a few pounds a year and getting slightly stronger each year. And once they hit the juice it was like getting newbie gains all over again. Except their base was already decent.

So I’m don’t have a problem with paying your dues if your less than an ideal genetic specimen. I’ve done it for almost 15 years. I just think not understanding the reality of the situation is setting people up for failure.

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I wonder what the effect would of been if someone just typed in the words rather then putting them in a picture of a statue?

Of course its not about the friggin statue. But your all using the statue to illustrate your point. Wow you dont need steroids? really?! But id rather you stopped saying, “you dont need steroids” then post an unrealistic picture as an example. Why not post a picture of arnold and say, “you dont need steroids”… oh wait we bitch about the magazines and advertisements that do that allready…

How about a picture of coleman with the same text? hmmmm…

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I suppose the picture was a bit silly, and if you are going to pick ANYONE as an example, Hercules is probably NOT a good choice.

But there are examples from the past where steroids couldn’t have been available (although, there might be something to that whole “easting testes” thing) … the examples of stone lifting can only really prove strength, not size and build … statues probably usually exaggerate the good parts of an historical figure. Some of the statues of ancient people’s were pretty impressive though, but I don’t think they were ever of the freakish proportions that we see today.

The ancients acknowledged 3 classical physique types, Herculean, Apollonian, and that of Hermes (Hermenean??? is that a word?) … ie

  1. hugely strong and muscular
  2. very strong and athletic and agile
  3. wirey, great endurance and speed

Those ancient people more than likely would work out where they fitted into those 3 types and not tried to push themselves into a type they didn’t belong in. Those people had a strong sense of fate, destiny etc… and playing the hand that was given them. They had contempt for people complaining about their fate and would scorn people complaining they weren’t “naturally gifted”. We know this from their prolific writings.

It is a different age now where people want to take control of their own destiny and even rewrite their genes, if possible. Is that a bad thing? Not really. I think sloth is a bad thing … being lazy. If people aer using steroids because they are lazy then that ain’t so hot.

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[quote]AverageJay wrote:
jsbrook wrote:
AverageJay wrote:
derek wrote:

If you were not born with that bone structure or muscle mass you are not going to get there without “help”. You can improve greatly on what you have. But you’re not goind to be one of the monsters.

Shit if I was born with that bone structure or muscle mass, I think my mother would’ve had some tough labor!

I think I was like only 6lbs when I was born.

So I see the point is still going over your head?

You’re response is really not factual.

So you are thinking I’m gonna add about an inch and a half to my wrist size and ankle size by lifitng heavy weight? Or somehow eating correctly is going to give me a frame capable of supporting 300 lbs of body weight with a resonable amount of body fat? You are not living in reality.

It’s people that get the idea in their head that lifting and eating right is going to get them to a point like that statue that don’t stay in the gym. Unless of course they are the genetically gifted and can attain that size. But you can usually tell a person like that before they even start lifting. For the 99% of the rest of us average guys, it takes years just to be bigger and stronger than all the other slugs in society. And that’s a great accomplishment in itself. But believing that every joe that steps in the gym is capable of 19 inch arms with no roids or GH is a recipe for frustration.

There are limits to genetic potential. But you certainly seem to have a defeatist mentality. What does your diet and training look like? Are you unhappy with your progress? You really think there isn’t more you could be doing?

No, I’m actually pretty happy with what I’ve achieved. I was a soft 180 lbs when I finished high school and at 34 am about 220 lbs without a gut hanging over my belt. Diet has always been decent, I rarely eat for pleasure. Most meals are for fuel. But my point is it has taken me years to achieve and maintain that. And I’ve worked out with and been friends with a vast array of different genetic specimen. My college roomate ate enough to make me look like I was fasting. And you can question his lifting all you want, but he put his work in. But the poor bastard couldn’t put weight on to save his life. But I’ve also known a couple of guys that don’t even change their diet and just lift for short periods of time and blow up at will.

And finally I know quite a few fellas that spent years like I did only gaining a few pounds a year and getting slightly stronger each year. And once they hit the juice it was like getting newbie gains all over again. Except their base was already decent.

So I’m don’t have a problem with paying your dues if your less than an ideal genetic specimen. I’ve done it for almost 15 years. I just think not understanding the reality of the situation is setting people up for failure.

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Definitely, I agree. But I think that anybody, even those with shit genetics, can get really big. It will just take a much longer time and a helluva lot of work like you said.

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Despite this horse being long since dead (Killed for no reason I might add) it is still continuosly flogged.

Even mighty Hercules doesn’t seem to be able to stop it.