[quote]scj119 wrote:
Listen, iro: Take the top 30 biggest/strongest/(however you want to define “most advanced”) lifters on this board, and see if ANY one of them did by eating less than 300g protein per day.
If not a single person here has gotten big/strong on 200g protein/day… chances are you are wrong about the body’s ability to absorb protein. It’s a pretty basic exercise in data gathering.[/quote]
I really don’t want to argue back and forth but honestly there are just to many variables with what you posted. If a guy is 300lbs sure he will be eating more than a 200lbs guy to maintain size and the rest of it…
When I posted 200-250 grams of protein in my post that was just an example. Someone said they plucked my meals into a counter and got around 300grams of protein.
What I am saying that should be enough by a long shot going by the study I posted. I too am guilty of eating large amounts of protein in 1 sitting. Which it looks like is a total waste and not being fully utilized! I will be changing that aspect and split up my protein powder into small dosages of say 15grams and have them every 90mins instead of a large dose of 50gram morning and night.
I’ll change the routine around to the advice I have been given (power orientated) and I’ll be adding in some extra meals. Looking forward to the change.
to my protein comments - Milos Sarcev consumed 500grams of protein per day at a body weight of around 250-270lbs on juice. Consuming the same amount, drug free, 70lbs lighter does not make sense sorry. In a lot of articles they say that in a sitting probably the most protein the body can absorb in a single sitting is 30-50grams (it varies a lot in different sources) So maybe all that extra protein is going to waste or maybe not.
There was great article or video of someone (well known) explaining on what 1 pound of muscle equates to calories. It was surprisingly low can’t seem to find it.
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You suck so hard it’s funny.
What’s the point of ignoring every person more advanced than you or trying to refute their advice with bullshit that ‘you read somewhere but cant remember where’? [/quote]
Advanced in what way? Please explain, should be interesting how you came to this conclusion on what basis?
Unbelievable, another quality post. Not too hard to find information on protein and absorption.
Here you go:
So going by the study roughly 10 grams an hour absorption without supplementing BCAA. If you supplement BCAA you might get a slight increase and you have 1.5hrs to do this all in!
So in effect you are probably much better off drinking 15grams of protein every hour for 3 hrs rather then 50grams all at once. Because the 40 grams extra you drank will go to $hit.
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i only briefly skimmed the study linked in that article but i have a few points:
The study participants were not doing any weightlifting and it was not mentioned if they did any type of exercise at all. Doing exercise obviously increases demand for protein.
The participants’ bodyweights were not given. I’m just going to assume they were 150lb n00bs. Again, people weighing an estimated 50-100lbs more will require proportionately higher protein intake.
The ‘results’ of this study point to using a product (Aminogen) to better utilize ingested proteins, making me question the validity of the whole study.
so basically ‘15grams/hour’ may be the protein limit for little girls that sit around all day but real men need, and can digest, more[/quote]
To be honest I am not sure if it makes a difference if you train or don’t train in the ability for your body to absorb/digest the protein.
No doubt the body would like to use more protein when lifting but whether the body can supply it is another question???
[quote]scj119 wrote:
Listen, iro: Take the top 30 biggest/strongest/(however you want to define “most advanced”) lifters on this board, and see if ANY one of them did by eating less than 300g protein per day.
If not a single person here has gotten big/strong on 200g protein/day… chances are you are wrong about the body’s ability to absorb protein. It’s a pretty basic exercise in data gathering.[/quote]
I really don’t want to argue back and forth but honestly there are just to many variables with what you posted. If a guy is 300lbs sure he will be eating more than a 200lbs guy to maintain size and the rest of it…
When I posted 200-250 grams of protein in my post that was just an example. Someone said they plucked my meals into a counter and got around 300grams of protein.
What I am saying that should be enough by a long shot going by the study I posted. I too am guilty of eating large amounts of protein in 1 sitting. Which it looks like is a total waste and not being fully utilized! I will be changing that aspect and split up my protein powder into small dosages of say 15grams and have them every 90mins instead of a large dose of 50gram morning and night.
I’ll change the routine around to the advice I have been given (power orientated) and I’ll be adding in some extra meals. Looking forward to the change.
relax guys! [/quote]
It makes no difference if you eat large meals 2-3x a day or eat 6+x a day, what matters more is your overall caloric intake. Do whatever works best for you.
The 5x5 approach would seem like the best middle, but really after 3 or so weeks it just did not kick off with me. No excuses here, I train like an animal in the gym.
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I think everyone reading this forum knows you don’t ‘train like an animal’. People who train like animals get big and strong. You don’t. You tried a program for 3 WEEKS and QUIT? No excuses? Dude, that’s laughable. You’ve made about a dozen in your posts, including low testosterone, sickness, programs don’t work for you, you want a bodybuilding/PL combo program, you can’t absorb enough protein, bullshit bullshit bullshit… when Bonez said more advanced, he was obviously talking about the people who have exceeded your progress in the gym, both is strength AND size. There are alot of us on here who have, many of whom have commented in this thread. Just listen. There was no need for you to have a dozen posts making excuses or “explaining”. just take the advice and run with it. How about this: pick a program that’s given a zillion people results and do it for 6 months to a year. While you’re doing that, take all the advice you’ve read on diet, intensity, etc. And see what happens.
The 5x5 approach would seem like the best middle, but really after 3 or so weeks it just did not kick off with me. No excuses here, I train like an animal in the gym.
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I think everyone reading this forum knows you don’t ‘train like an animal’. People who train like animals get big and strong. You don’t. You tried a program for 3 WEEKS and QUIT? No excuses? Dude, that’s laughable. You’ve made about a dozen in your posts, including low testosterone, sickness, programs don’t work for you, you want a bodybuilding/PL combo program, you can’t absorb enough protein, bullshit bullshit bullshit… when Bonez said more advanced, he was obviously talking about the people who have exceeded your progress in the gym, both is strength AND size. There are alot of us on here who have, many of whom have commented in this thread. Just listen. There was no need for you to have a dozen posts making excuses or “explaining”. just take the advice and run with it. How about this: pick a program that’s given a zillion people results and do it for 6 months to a year. While you’re doing that, take all the advice you’ve read on diet, intensity, etc. And see what happens.[/quote]
dozen excuses really. I never made excuses for being sick, I never made excuses I can’t digest protein where the $uck did that come from? You are basically putting words in my mouth. What a load of crap.
The best about all this is the way you have finalized your judgment on who is more advanced, really laughable! Did that all get equated by reading a post on the internet? Is that the way you know exactly how I look? You are truly one of a kind!
Just because I am not that strong does not mean I automatically look like shit. But hey what ever rows your boat. Such a primitive way of thinking. I thought I posted this thread in a bodybuilding section.
This is going no where at neckbreaking speed. OP either take the advice, follow it, and see for yourself what you’ve been told or go somewhere else and try to milk someone for the answer that you want.
You’re unique man. You have been dealt a shitty hand that nobody else has ever experienced. You have done everything right, as good as or better than anybody on this site, but you have made practically no progress. You have gained “heaps” of weight, at least ten pounds a year I am sure, without getting any stronger.
None of the hundreds of experienced, knowledgeable lifters on this site have ever seen a case like yours, they simply can’t understand. None of the advice they have given to the countless people who complain of similar problems applies to your specific, special case.[/quote]
so full of win
These are the types who think every big guy they see was born that way…or that big muscles mean you DON’T know what you are talking about when it comes to training.
You will NEVER have to worry about the OP stretching a XXXL shirt due to the size of his chest.
dude who cant gain strength complains when he’s told there need to be more protein in his diet and CALS!!
ive been training on and off for 2 years and i squat more than you (probably deeper aswel) and deadlift a fuck ton more than u ever will with the attitude you have. i eat atleast 300g protein a day.
im not even ‘strong’.
why not cut all the filler crap out ur routine for a bit and focus on basics getting stronger each week?
2 or 3 reps on each exercise? 5 extra kilograms? even 1 extra measley rep???
Train smarter. You have always done what you are always doing and some way, some how there is an expectation of different results?
You could do basically anything different and you will cause change.
A whole training day devoted to shoulders and calves?
Brother, good luck.
