idk man, its hard to believe you lifted hard 3-5 times a week, ate decently, didnt get stronger over 10 years. you need to read jim wendlers rules to being awesome. could also be the result of hoping on and off different workout plans
[quote]Hallowed wrote:
I am the first to admit my hormone expertise is thyroid related hormones…
But in range ain’t shit bro.
I’m gonna hazard a guess that number isn’t lowish. I’m gonna guess that number is hella shitty.
Take thee off to the T Replacement forum and find out for yourself.
Regarding your hypo which by the way in men does go hand in hand with low T, what is your last free t3 result with lab range please. Also, what med are you on? Synthroid? How much?[/quote]
Okay I have been on the t-replacement forum ( Blood Work Results - Some Opinions Needed - Testosterone Replacement - Forums - T Nation ) and have had some good advice and many posts. I decided to post in the training section to maybe fine tune my training or get some recommendations. But in the back of my mind I keep thinking if I am fighting a battle with my hormones.
Last results where Ft3 was measured 30.4.2011
Ft3 - 5.0 (3.5 - 6.5)
LH - 2 (1-10)
FSH - 2 (1-10)
I am considering taking Nolva for 4 weeks (20,15,10,5mg) daily to boost test LH and see if that directly effects my Testosterone. I have not started yet because I really want my E2 levels checked before I start messing around so I know what was normal for me before starting. Endo almost fell off the chair when she heard my plans :).
I was on 50mcg of synthroid for 3 months and then went to 100mcg to lower my TSH to 1.83. I do have confirmed Hashimotos with positive antibodies.
I did not feel that great on the 100mcg synthroid so now I have a pretty good endo who is willing to let me try new medication. So right now I am on 90mcg of T4 with 10mcg of T3.
I will get blood test results on the 18th so will see what kind of numbers I get there. Yes I agree the numbers are shitty considering I lift heavy not overweight and all those things are supposed to raise testosterone. I can only imagine if I laid at home what kind of test numbers I would have. Probably the more concerning is the free testosterone number which really is sucking.
I do snore and have been reading that also might be a cause to lower testosterone.
[quote]xfactor3236 wrote:
idk man, its hard to believe you lifted hard 3-5 times a week, ate decently, didnt get stronger over 10 years. you need to read jim wendlers rules to being awesome. could also be the result of hoping on and off different workout plans [/quote]
Yeah it is hard to believe. Don’t get me wrong I have increased a little in strength but nothing drastic as I would have expected. Lifting an extra 15lbs on shoulder dumbbell presses is hardly anything in my opinion over the course of 9 years.
Wait… you started out OH pressing the 65s at a starting weight of 175?
In 10 years, you put on nearly 30lbs, and now you’re lifting the 80s?
[quote]MickyGee wrote:
Wait… you started out OH pressing the 65s at a starting weight of 175?
In 10 years, you put on nearly 30lbs, and now you’re lifting the 80s?[/quote]
Yes, that pretty much sums it up. I am heaps bigger then what I used to be but that extra size has not really correlated to extra strength very well.
You’ve been told what to do. Now, stop posting and do it.
BTW, “Not the answer I was looking for”??? Seriously?
Go see a doctor. Set a goal. Do it.
Can’t be any simpler.
[quote]MODOK wrote:
"I have tried for a few of weeks the 5x5 routine… "
LOL
You are not serious about this whole weight training thing. I would suggest croquet or chess.
If you were serious, you would have found the very simple answer to your question by now. If you are serious, do this:
Monday
Bench
squat
Deadlift
5x5
Wednesday
Bench
Squat
Deadlift
4x8
Friday
Bench
Squat
Deadlift
5/3/1
Repeat x 8 weeks
train to failure each set
Add 5 lbs each week to each set
Eat 4000 calories/day
Excuses? I know…you’ve got a million excuses why you can’t do this routine. Listen to your excuses. You now have the answer to why you are small and weak.
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I can see where you are going with this routine. But in honesty it does not look to be a bodybuilding routine… No shoulders, no triceps, no bicep work. My point was following a bodybuilding routine my strength has really stagnated although I try and add weight each week. Your workout seems more orientated around a PL. No doubt this might help with strength but I wanted a mix with bodybuilding and power lifting or is this just not possible.
The 5x5 approach would seem like the best middle, but really after 3 or so weeks it just did not kick off with me. No excuses here, I train like an animal in the gym. At the moment I am not working so my calorie intake is lower than what it is when I work for the first 4-5 months of the year. When I am working I was easily eating 4000cals a day.
But if you think this is the answer to my problem I’ll eat a shit load more. I know what will happen I’ll gain extra fat and just $hit out the food that cannot be used up by the body, how can a natural process and absorb 300-400 grams of protein a day? Maybe on roids but sure as hell not natural.
[quote]JFG wrote:
You’ve been told what to do. Now, stop posting and do it.
BTW, “Not the answer I was looking for”??? Seriously?
Go see a doctor. Set a goal. Do it.
Can’t be any simpler. [/quote]
Yeah well when a guy posts that I friggin take 4 weeks off all the time what do I expect. Yeah that pisses me off. Firsty because he can’t read and secondly he makes assumptions.
I guess it is a big deal taking off 10 weeks over the course of 9 years. Wow I really screwed up there!!! I am not consistent enough. I had the impression a lot of Pro’s take off months…
Anyway looks like I posted in the wrong thread, sorry to anger & offend everyone. To the people who replied with some relevant advice thanks heaps!!
hahahahahahahahaha
You’re unique man. You have been dealt a shitty hand that nobody else has ever experienced. You have done everything right, as good as or better than anybody on this site, but you have made practically no progress. You have gained “heaps” of weight, at least ten pounds a year I am sure, without getting any stronger.
None of the hundreds of experienced, knowledgeable lifters on this site have ever seen a case like yours, they simply can’t understand. None of the advice they have given to the countless people who complain of similar problems applies to your specific, special case.
[quote]iroczinoz wrote:
But if you think this is the answer to my problem I’ll eat a shit load more. I know what will happen I’ll gain extra fat and just $hit out the food that cannot be used up by the body, how can a natural process and absorb 300-400 grams of protein a day? Maybe on roids but sure as hell not natural.
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[quote]iroczinoz wrote:
how can a natural process and absorb 300-400 grams of protein a day? Maybe on roids but sure as hell not natural.
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Holy crap.
[quote]critietaeta wrote:
[quote]iroczinoz wrote:
But if you think this is the answer to my problem I’ll eat a shit load more. I know what will happen I’ll gain extra fat and just $hit out the food that cannot be used up by the body, how can a natural process and absorb 300-400 grams of protein a day? Maybe on roids but sure as hell not natural.
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Dude, 4 cereal?
[quote]iroczinoz wrote:
how can a natural process and absorb 300-400 grams of protein a day? Maybe on roids but sure as hell not natural.
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Wow man, you ask for help from those bigger/stronger than you and ignore every piece of advice from those bigger/stronger than you. I helped you in your TRT thread and am on your side but dude “illogical” is a drastic understatement for your mindset.
In the past 10 months I have put on 40lbs, increased my bench by 60lbs, and deadlift by 130lbs solely because I listened to people here and ate 300-400g protein/day with 3600-4500 cals/day (gradual increase on both). Obviously I am not on “roidz” because my physique is far short of head turning.
Oh and my Free T tested at 11.7 (ref range 9.3-26.5) as of April 19th so I’m not interested in the low T excuse.
I’m not meaning to brag because frankly my numbers/physique do not belong in the BB forum. What I’m saying is if you listen to people who are bigger/stronger than you, instead of thinking of reasons their advice won’t work for you… you may actually see results. Fuck your mindset pisses me off.
Increase protein, increase calories, get a spotter.
lol you are “that guy” at the gym, that does the same shit week in and week out for years and never looks any different. I hope the responses in this thread will be a wake up call for you.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
[quote]iroczinoz wrote:
how can a natural process and absorb 300-400 grams of protein a day? Maybe on roids but sure as hell not natural.
[/quote]
Wow man, you ask for help from those bigger/stronger than you and ignore every piece of advice from those bigger/stronger than you. I helped you in your TRT thread and am on your side but dude “illogical” is a drastic understatement for your mindset.
In the past 10 months I have put on 40lbs, increased my bench by 60lbs, and deadlift by 130lbs solely because I listened to people here and ate 300-400g protein/day with 3600-4500 cals/day (gradual increase on both). Obviously I am not on “roidz” because my physique is far short of head turning.
Oh and my Free T tested at 11.7 (ref range 9.3-26.5) as of April 19th so I’m not interested in the low T excuse.
I’m not meaning to brag because frankly my numbers/physique do not belong in the BB forum. What I’m saying is if you listen to people who are bigger/stronger than you, instead of thinking of reasons their advice won’t work for you… you may actually see results. Fuck your mindset pisses me off.[/quote]
Some of what you posted is information I was after. For example your lowish test figures and you seem to be doing alright gives me hope that it might not all be to do with test. But why the anger… It is a well known fact that not everyone is the same and not everything works the same for everyone. Could your increase in strength happen even if you ate lower protein levels say 200-250grams - maybe yes. How much do you weigh and how long you been lifting? I mean sure when I 1st started lifting weights I could bench 110lbs… But the progression slows down with time.
Anyway not sure why so much hate in this thread. I have made a pretty big change in my body composition over the last year lost about 5kgs of fat and kept my weight the same. So if that is pathetic, so be it.
I was more interested in thoughts about my routine and what I should change to help strength increases. But it looks like I am in the minority of people who are having a hard time getting past a sticking point.
to my protein comments - Milos Sarcev consumed 500grams of protein per day at a body weight of around 250-270lbs on juice. Consuming the same amount, drug free, 70lbs lighter does not make sense sorry. In a lot of articles they say that in a sitting probably the most protein the body can absorb in a single sitting is 30-50grams (it varies a lot in different sources) So maybe all that extra protein is going to waste or maybe not.
There was great article or video of someone (well known) explaining on what 1 pound of muscle equates to calories. It was surprisingly low can’t seem to find it.
But hey comments and suggestions taken on board, one of the reasons I posted this thread to have feedback. I just took offense to the hate right from the get go and people making assumptions.
[quote]scj119 wrote:
In the past 10 months I have put on 40lbs, increased my bench by 60lbs, and deadlift by 130lbs solely because I listened to people here and ate 300-400g protein/day with 3600-4500 cals/day (gradual increase on both). Obviously I am not on “roidz” because my physique is far short of head turning.
Oh and my Free T tested at 11.7 (ref range 9.3-26.5) as of April 19th so I’m not interested in the low T excuse.
I’m not meaning to brag because frankly my numbers/physique do not belong in the BB forum. What I’m saying is if you listen to people who are bigger/stronger than you, instead of thinking of reasons their advice won’t work for you… you may actually see results. Fuck your mindset pisses me off.[/quote]
I’m glad I randomly checked this thread. That sounds like some awesome gains. I’ll have to start reading your training log.
B.
[quote]iroczinoz wrote:
to my protein comments - Milos Sarcev consumed 500grams of protein per day at a body weight of around 250-270lbs on juice. Consuming the same amount, drug free, 70lbs lighter does not make sense sorry. In a lot of articles they say that in a sitting probably the most protein the body can absorb in a single sitting is 30-50grams (it varies a lot in different sources) So maybe all that extra protein is going to waste or maybe not.
There was great article or video of someone (well known) explaining on what 1 pound of muscle equates to calories. It was surprisingly low can’t seem to find it.
.[/quote]
You suck so hard it’s funny.
What’s the point of ignoring every person more advanced than you or trying to refute their advice with bullshit that ‘you read somewhere but cant remember where’?
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]iroczinoz wrote:
to my protein comments - Milos Sarcev consumed 500grams of protein per day at a body weight of around 250-270lbs on juice. Consuming the same amount, drug free, 70lbs lighter does not make sense sorry. In a lot of articles they say that in a sitting probably the most protein the body can absorb in a single sitting is 30-50grams (it varies a lot in different sources) So maybe all that extra protein is going to waste or maybe not.
There was great article or video of someone (well known) explaining on what 1 pound of muscle equates to calories. It was surprisingly low can’t seem to find it.
.[/quote]
You suck so hard it’s funny.
What’s the point of ignoring every person more advanced than you or trying to refute their advice with bullshit that ‘you read somewhere but cant remember where’? [/quote]
Advanced in what way? Please explain, should be interesting how you came to this conclusion on what basis?
Unbelievable, another quality post. Not too hard to find information on protein and absorption.
Here you go:
So going by the study roughly 10 grams an hour absorption without supplementing BCAA. If you supplement BCAA you might get a slight increase and you have 1.5hrs to do this all in!
So in effect you are probably much better off drinking 15grams of protein every hour for 3 hrs rather then 50grams all at once. Because the 40 grams extra you drank will go to $hit.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]iroczinoz wrote:
to my protein comments - Milos Sarcev consumed 500grams of protein per day at a body weight of around 250-270lbs on juice. Consuming the same amount, drug free, 70lbs lighter does not make sense sorry. In a lot of articles they say that in a sitting probably the most protein the body can absorb in a single sitting is 30-50grams (it varies a lot in different sources) So maybe all that extra protein is going to waste or maybe not.
There was great article or video of someone (well known) explaining on what 1 pound of muscle equates to calories. It was surprisingly low can’t seem to find it.
.[/quote]
You suck so hard it’s funny.
What’s the point of ignoring every person more advanced than you or trying to refute their advice with bullshit that ‘you read somewhere but cant remember where’? [/quote]
But… Can he eat pork? Is pork allowed?
Listen, iro: Take the top 30 biggest/strongest/(however you want to define “most advanced”) lifters on this board, and see if ANY one of them did by eating less than 300g protein per day.
If not a single person here has gotten big/strong on 200g protein/day… chances are you are wrong about the body’s ability to absorb protein. It’s a pretty basic exercise in data gathering.
[quote]iroczinoz wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]iroczinoz wrote:
to my protein comments - Milos Sarcev consumed 500grams of protein per day at a body weight of around 250-270lbs on juice. Consuming the same amount, drug free, 70lbs lighter does not make sense sorry. In a lot of articles they say that in a sitting probably the most protein the body can absorb in a single sitting is 30-50grams (it varies a lot in different sources) So maybe all that extra protein is going to waste or maybe not.
There was great article or video of someone (well known) explaining on what 1 pound of muscle equates to calories. It was surprisingly low can’t seem to find it.
.[/quote]
You suck so hard it’s funny.
What’s the point of ignoring every person more advanced than you or trying to refute their advice with bullshit that ‘you read somewhere but cant remember where’? [/quote]
Advanced in what way? Please explain, should be interesting how you came to this conclusion on what basis?
Unbelievable, another quality post. Not too hard to find information on protein and absorption.
Here you go:
So going by the study roughly 10 grams an hour absorption without supplementing BCAA. If you supplement BCAA you might get a slight increase and you have 1.5hrs to do this all in!
So in effect you are probably much better off drinking 15grams of protein every hour for 3 hrs rather then 50grams all at once. Because the 40 grams extra you drank will go to $hit.
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i only briefly skimmed the study linked in that article but i have a few points:
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The study participants were not doing any weightlifting and it was not mentioned if they did any type of exercise at all. Doing exercise obviously increases demand for protein.
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The participants’ bodyweights were not given. I’m just going to assume they were 150lb n00bs. Again, people weighing an estimated 50-100lbs more will require proportionately higher protein intake.
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The ‘results’ of this study point to using a product (Aminogen) to better utilize ingested proteins, making me question the validity of the whole study.
so basically ‘15grams/hour’ may be the protein limit for little girls that sit around all day but real men need, and can digest, more