“i eat lots, like I can eat an entire pizza”
“that’s great, I can eat two”
Did you gain weight this week?
Response 1: No
– Youre going to fail
Response 2: I gained more than a 1kg!
– Try eating a tiny bit less, like 1 egg worth
Response 3: I gained over half a kg, not quite 1 though
– Great, keep doing what you are doing
Response 4: I gained a tiny bit, just under half a kg
– A gain is a gain, try adding a tiny bit (like an egg worth) to your breakfast and perhaps dinner
Response 5: I basically gained nothing
– No biggie you’re getting bigger, add a tiny bit (like an egg or two) to each meal
Response 6: I lost weight
– Dumbfuck, eat consistently. Add a bit to each meal, add another meal too
But it’s just one week.
Stop being a bitch and do it. We can adjust down if necessary.
But this calculator said I ate enough
Don’t be a retard, the calculator is obviously wrong.
Is it really that hard to consume enough calories through (reasonably) healthy foods? Beef, eggs, oats, rice, pasta, etc. are all pretty high calorie. I went from 170 to 220 (still not impressive, I’m 6’3") eating pretty well. The 3-4 meals + a big shake works just fine.
Yes, I know this thread was for the outliers or “hardgainers” or whatever, but still. Very weird thread.
*Best tasting weight gain shake I’ve ever had:
2 scoops protein
banana
2 globs PB
1-2 cups milk
1 cup oats
ice
My favorite tip to easily gain weight is: choose fattier cuts of meat. They’re usually cheaper, tastes better and is packed with calories. It’s definitely much easier to gain weight with hot wings than boiled chicken breast.
The advice given here is akin to what Dave Tate and JM Blakely have written about gaining weight, and it works… for those who do not care to locomote faster than a walk and those who want to increase their absolute strength in some feats of strength at all costs. It’s simple: overeating makes people fat, and the more food one can pack away with minimal discomfort, the more rapidly he can gain. Hence the recommendation for highly processed, sugary, salty, and fatty foods.
For those of us who want to remain leanish (not ripped) while gaining muscle and be able to do some athletic stuff like remain in motion for more than 20 minutes without feeling like a heart attack is going to come–say, go for a three mile jog, jump rope, throw some decent punches on the bag, cycle a few miles, pick up some ball games at the park–and this can be done while getting jacked, contrary to some beliefs–this dietary advice is unacceptable.
There are few non-drug-aided men who need 5,000-plus-calorie diets for weight gain considering those in this probably only exercise six to ten hours per week total. And natural muscle gain is painfully slow no matter how much force feeding goes on.
I’m not here to bash posts or posters though, and I admittedly LOVE reading permabulking menus. Anyone care to share their menus here?
One secret is caloric density. Learn to eat foods that provide more calories per unit volume. That is, they give you lots of calories for how much space they take up in the gut. 250 calories of salad fills you up even with the dressing but a chocolate bar would only feel like a snack.
Also, add lots of condiments to your food. Carry mayo with you and add lots of it to everything. Same goes for Thousand Island dressing and chocolate sauce. Be creative and never eat anything that you don’t add calories to in some way. Melt provolone cheese over your pasta. Put ranch dressing on your pizza. Dip potato chips in honey. I don’t care what sick and twisted combinations you come up with, as long as you find it palatable. You wouldn’t believe some of the things I’ve eaten. ( Try a bowl full of peanut butter smothered in maple syrup and a stick of butter in the microwave for 30 seconds. Lay two Hershey bars over it to melt and you’ll just start to understand.)
Carry food with you. Always have a jar of peanuts in your car. Carry Pop-Tarts, Slim Jim meat snacks, candy bars, anything handy that travels well and needs no special preparation. Never get caught away from food. Put it in your desk, your locker, your gym bag, your brief case, hell, carry some around in your pockets if you have to! Never miss a meal because you couldn’t eat. What’s that? Couldn’t eat? It takes less than 50 seconds to eat two candy bars. That’s over 500 calories. Even if you have to sneak it on the job, go to the john and wolf them down. You must never be without food. Take some with you. and never say you didn’t have time (50 seconds?!) or opportunity. Find time or make time."
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Tips from JM’s Big Boy Menu article years ago:
One secret is caloric density. Learn to eat foods that provide more calories per unit volume. That is, they give you lots of calories for how much space they take up in the gut. 250 calories of salad fills you up even with the dressing but a chocolate bar would only feel like a snack.
Also, add lots of condiments to your food. Carry mayo with you and add lots of it to everything. Same goes for Thousand Island dressing and chocolate sauce. Be creative and never eat anything that you don’t add calories to in some way. Melt provolone cheese over your pasta. Put ranch dressing on your pizza. Dip potato chips in honey. I don’t care what sick and twisted combinations you come up with, as long as you find it palatable. You wouldn’t believe some of the things I’ve eaten. ( Try a bowl full of peanut butter smothered in maple syrup and a stick of butter in the microwave for 30 seconds. Lay two Hershey bars over it to melt and you’ll just start to understand.)
Carry food with you. Always have a jar of peanuts in your car. Carry Pop-Tarts, Slim Jim meat snacks, candy bars, anything handy that travels well and needs no special preparation. Never get caught away from food. Put it in your desk, your locker, your gym bag, your brief case, hell, carry some around in your pockets if you have to! Never miss a meal because you couldn’t eat. What’s that? Couldn’t eat? It takes less than 50 seconds to eat two candy bars. That’s over 500 calories. Even if you have to sneak it on the job, go to the john and wolf them down. You must never be without food. Take some with you. and never say you didn’t have time (50 seconds?!) or opportunity. Find time or make time."
Use google for the rest. [/quote]
In terms of caloric intake/weight correlation, there’s a documented study that shows how participants who ingested only 900-1000 calories per day from carbohydrates actually gained weight, compared to that of the fats/protein group who lost weight, the former losing the most. Which is why simple sugars is on the top of my list.
Carbs, as Nora Gedgaudas puts it, is metabolic kindling. It’s an efficient source of fuel that burns out quickly. Carbs also have the ability to make you hungry more often. The constant undulation of blood sugar is a guaranteed way to keep you insatiable. If anyone is interested, just google leptin/lipids/sugar*gluten, and see how glycation and/or excess insulin affects our hunger hormone.
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
What an utterly useless thread for beginners and advanced trainees alike. Beginners have no business eating like this, and advanced lifters already know you have to eat a shit ton to progress at a high level.[/quote]
In terms of caloric intake/weight correlation, there’s a documented study that shows how participants who ingested only 900-1000 calories per day from carbohydrates actually gained weight, compared to that of the fats/protein group who lost weight, the former losing the most. Which is why simple sugars is on the top of my list.
Carbs, as Nora Gedgaudas puts it, is metabolic kindling. It’s an efficient source of fuel that burns out quickly. Carbs also have the ability to make you hungry more often. The constant undulation of blood sugar is a guaranteed way to keep you insatiable. If anyone is interested, just google leptin/lipids/sugar*gluten, and see how glycation and/or excess insulin affects our hunger hormone.
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So you’re suggesting people eat to the point at which they are ravenous food addicts. That reminds me of my permabulker days in which I was constantly hungry.
I’m not questioning whether that study exists, but do you know the title of it and from what journal?
In terms of caloric intake/weight correlation, there’s a documented study that shows how participants who ingested only 900-1000 calories per day from carbohydrates actually gained weight, compared to that of the fats/protein group who lost weight, the former losing the most. Which is why simple sugars is on the top of my list.
Carbs, as Nora Gedgaudas puts it, is metabolic kindling. It’s an efficient source of fuel that burns out quickly. Carbs also have the ability to make you hungry more often. The constant undulation of blood sugar is a guaranteed way to keep you insatiable. If anyone is interested, just google leptin/lipids/sugar*gluten, and see how glycation and/or excess insulin affects our hunger hormone.
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So you’re suggesting people eat to the point at which they are ravenous food addicts. That reminds me of my permabulker days in which I was constantly hungry.
I’m not questioning whether that study exists, but do you know the title of it and from what journal?[/quote]
Not sure how you got that, but no.
It was a controlled study to study the effects of each macro individually.
It is in Jonny Bowden’s Living Low Carb, and also Mark Sisson refers to the study often.