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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:
Here’s the thing usmc.

You can get a music scholarship to KU right now AND play in the band. A full ride. You can also play in a piano bar and make money OFF YOUR TALENTS. [/quote]

I already said I think it’s asinine that student athletes can’t get jobs. So if a part-time football league is create, which can earn these athletes money I’m fine with that.

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You can get a football scholarship to Alabama right now. A full ride. You can’t sign a piece of paper for someone who would pay you 5,000. You can’t get a cut of the sales of YOUR jersey. [/quote]

And I’d say “your cut” is tuition and board.

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You can’t sign your jersey for someone who will pay you 10,000 dollars for it. You have to work full time by training, practicing, etc. [/quote]

This is not even close to a full time job. Like I said I have no problem with them working. In fact I think it’s stupid they can’t.

I think getting a free education, the rest of us would have to pay for and likely be in debt for, is a pretty sweet system for someone with all that talent. [/quote]

Really? A free education?

What if that “free” education costs you millions in potential money you could have earned off your own talents?

Your viable option right now is to attend college, jump through the hoop. Then turn pro.

a 19 year old actor can make millions off their talent. A 19 year old football player can’t. And somehow you’re acting like they are lucky by being controlled in these manners?

Damn, this is a GOOD regulation? [/quote]

It’s not a regulation it’s what the FREE MARKET has decided. Isn’t that what you wanted?

Seriously H all these poor student athletes that would make millions end up making millions.

How’s that commercial go, the vast majority of student athletes major in something other than sports.

If people don’t like the situation they can create a bran new league for athletes 18-20. Why has that not happened?[/quote]

The free market decides a college kid can’t make money by signing his name? Lol. In what world?

The NCAA has RULES (regulations) that limit what kids can do. Many of these rules don’t make sense. Hence the thread.

NOTHING free about it. Not a thing. You’re getting stuff twisted my man.

In a free market Johnny Manziel makes a ton of money. See one year from today when he’s actually in a free market. He is getting ready to enter a free market. A free market where he will be handsomely rewarded.

No they don’t. many of those guys value in college with their talents is as high as it ever goes. They can’t make money off of it though, but everyone else can.

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Fuck it, the athletes shouldn’t even have to go to class. They shouldn’t even need to pick a major either. They are just there for football anyway.

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Andrew Wiggins could of worked at a grocery store until he was eligible under NBA rules. Instead he chose to take advantage of a free education KU offered him.

Schools do not have to offer athletic scholarships you know. [/quote]

KU makes WAY TOO MUCH money off basketball to stop. Wiggins was supposed to work at a grocery store? That’s your answer.

C’mon man. That isn’t even worth talking about.

The scholarships are the sham so they can be underpaid and controlled without everyone being up in arms about it. It’s a good deal for some kids, a horrible deal for others. Sounds like Obamacare. Why complain about that? You don’t have to get the insurance. You can pay the fine.
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I don’t really care where he works. He does not have to play in college. That’s his choice.

It’s a good deal for 99.99% of student athletes.

Lol, it is nothing like Obamacare.

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[quote]H factor wrote:
How American is it anyways to tell people they can’t make money off their talents? [/quote]

How talented are you when you rely on a number of other people ? How do you measure this ?

The ONLY exception I can think of is Barry Sanders, who had not a shred of an offensive line, yet ran like a man who stole something.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Andrew Wiggins could of worked at a grocery store until he was eligible under NBA rules. Instead he chose to take advantage of a free education KU offered him.

Schools do not have to offer athletic scholarships you know. [/quote]

KU makes WAY TOO MUCH money off basketball to stop. Wiggins was supposed to work at a grocery store? That’s your answer.

C’mon man. That isn’t even worth talking about.

The scholarships are the sham so they can be underpaid and controlled without everyone being up in arms about it. It’s a good deal for some kids, a horrible deal for others. Sounds like Obamacare. Why complain about that? You don’t have to get the insurance. You can pay the fine.
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I don’t really care where he works. He does not have to play in college. That’s his choice.

It’s a good deal for 99.99% of student athletes.

Lol, it is nothing like Obamacare.[/quote]

It’s nothing like the girl scouts, but those get brought up.

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The thing is, colleges could go a long in avoiding what is going to be a complete disaster if they just eliminated the pro-am distinction and some of the bullshit rules they have, even if colleges didn’t independently pay the players.

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:
Here’s the thing usmc.

You can get a music scholarship to KU right now AND play in the band. A full ride. You can also play in a piano bar and make money OFF YOUR TALENTS. [/quote]

I already said I think it’s asinine that student athletes can’t get jobs. So if a part-time football league is create, which can earn these athletes money I’m fine with that.

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You can get a football scholarship to Alabama right now. A full ride. You can’t sign a piece of paper for someone who would pay you 5,000. You can’t get a cut of the sales of YOUR jersey. [/quote]

And I’d say “your cut” is tuition and board.

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You can’t sign your jersey for someone who will pay you 10,000 dollars for it. You have to work full time by training, practicing, etc. [/quote]

This is not even close to a full time job. Like I said I have no problem with them working. In fact I think it’s stupid they can’t.

I think getting a free education, the rest of us would have to pay for and likely be in debt for, is a pretty sweet system for someone with all that talent. [/quote]

Really? A free education?

What if that “free” education costs you millions in potential money you could have earned off your own talents?

Your viable option right now is to attend college, jump through the hoop. Then turn pro.

a 19 year old actor can make millions off their talent. A 19 year old football player can’t. And somehow you’re acting like they are lucky by being controlled in these manners?

Damn, this is a GOOD regulation? [/quote]

It’s not a regulation it’s what the FREE MARKET has decided. Isn’t that what you wanted?

Seriously H all these poor student athletes that would make millions end up making millions.

How’s that commercial go, the vast majority of student athletes major in something other than sports.

If people don’t like the situation they can create a bran new league for athletes 18-20. Why has that not happened?[/quote]

The free market decides a college kid can’t make money by signing his name? Lol. In what world?

The NCAA has RULES (regulations) that limit what kids can do. Many of these rules don’t make sense. Hence the thread.

NOTHING free about it. Not a thing. You’re getting stuff twisted my man.

In a free market Johnny Manziel makes a ton of money. See one year from today when he’s actually in a free market. He is getting ready to enter a free market. A free market where he will be handsomely rewarded.

No they don’t. many of those guys value in college with their talents is as high as it ever goes. They can’t make money off of it though, but everyone else can. [/quote]

I’m sorry, when did the NFL, NBA, and NCAA become a part of the Federal government? I must of missed it.

No man, you have it twisted. The NFL = free market. They set an employment rule, you have to be x age. That’s free market at work. You are free to start a league for 18+ players. Nothing is stopping you.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Fuck it, the athletes shouldn’t even have to go to class. They shouldn’t even need to pick a major either. They are just there for football anyway. [/quote]

I remember my head coach John Robinson one said, “remember guys, school comes first (he holds up two fingers) and football comes second (he holds up one finger).” LOL

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[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
The thing is, colleges could go a long in avoiding what is going to be a complete disaster if they just eliminated the pro-am distinction and some of the bullshit rules they have, even if colleges didn’t independently pay the players. [/quote]

EXACTLY. One and done was a joke from the get go.

You HAVE to go to college for one year and then you GET to go to the pros if you’re good enough.

The NCAA likes it (huge jersey sales) and the NBA likes it (one year of training and we get to see how you do).

Make money off signing a jersey or being in a commercial? Can’t have that.

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Andrew Wiggins could of worked at a grocery store until he was eligible under NBA rules. Instead he chose to take advantage of a free education KU offered him.

Schools do not have to offer athletic scholarships you know. [/quote]

KU makes WAY TOO MUCH money off basketball to stop. Wiggins was supposed to work at a grocery store? That’s your answer.

C’mon man. That isn’t even worth talking about.

The scholarships are the sham so they can be underpaid and controlled without everyone being up in arms about it. It’s a good deal for some kids, a horrible deal for others. Sounds like Obamacare. Why complain about that? You don’t have to get the insurance. You can pay the fine.
[/quote]

I don’t really care where he works. He does not have to play in college. That’s his choice.

It’s a good deal for 99.99% of student athletes.

Lol, it is nothing like Obamacare.[/quote]

It’s nothing like the girl scouts, but those get brought up. [/quote]

Not by me.

It’s okay, let’s get Johnny Football paid. Screw the other 99.99% of NCAA athletes. Let’s ruin their shot at a free education.

Fast forward 10 years. Top recruits will make $100MM+ and there will be $0 in scholarship.

Sounds like progress.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:
Here’s the thing usmc.

You can get a music scholarship to KU right now AND play in the band. A full ride. You can also play in a piano bar and make money OFF YOUR TALENTS. [/quote]

I already said I think it’s asinine that student athletes can’t get jobs. So if a part-time football league is create, which can earn these athletes money I’m fine with that.

[quote]
You can get a football scholarship to Alabama right now. A full ride. You can’t sign a piece of paper for someone who would pay you 5,000. You can’t get a cut of the sales of YOUR jersey. [/quote]

And I’d say “your cut” is tuition and board.

[quote]
You can’t sign your jersey for someone who will pay you 10,000 dollars for it. You have to work full time by training, practicing, etc. [/quote]

This is not even close to a full time job. Like I said I have no problem with them working. In fact I think it’s stupid they can’t.

I think getting a free education, the rest of us would have to pay for and likely be in debt for, is a pretty sweet system for someone with all that talent. [/quote]

Really? A free education?

What if that “free” education costs you millions in potential money you could have earned off your own talents?

Your viable option right now is to attend college, jump through the hoop. Then turn pro.

a 19 year old actor can make millions off their talent. A 19 year old football player can’t. And somehow you’re acting like they are lucky by being controlled in these manners?

Damn, this is a GOOD regulation? [/quote]

It’s not a regulation it’s what the FREE MARKET has decided. Isn’t that what you wanted?

Seriously H all these poor student athletes that would make millions end up making millions.

How’s that commercial go, the vast majority of student athletes major in something other than sports.

If people don’t like the situation they can create a bran new league for athletes 18-20. Why has that not happened?[/quote]

The free market decides a college kid can’t make money by signing his name? Lol. In what world?

The NCAA has RULES (regulations) that limit what kids can do. Many of these rules don’t make sense. Hence the thread.

NOTHING free about it. Not a thing. You’re getting stuff twisted my man.

In a free market Johnny Manziel makes a ton of money. See one year from today when he’s actually in a free market. He is getting ready to enter a free market. A free market where he will be handsomely rewarded.

No they don’t. many of those guys value in college with their talents is as high as it ever goes. They can’t make money off of it though, but everyone else can. [/quote]

I’m sorry, when did the NFL, NBA, and NCAA become a part of the Federal government? I must of missed it.

No man, you have it twisted. The NFL = free market. They set an employment rule, you have to be x age. That’s free market at work. You are free to start a league for 18+ players. Nothing is stopping you. [/quote]

Your logic was going down the everyone has options road. I thought you just said the NCAA was a free market? It’s not, that is the point.

We already have a league for those people. It’s called the NCAA. Why do you think no one starts one? Costs a lot of money. Many of those kids talents would pay big bucks and they can be on billboards and all sorts of stuff and not make money. They can be on posters and not be paid for it.

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
The thing is, colleges could go a long in avoiding what is going to be a complete disaster if they just eliminated the pro-am distinction and some of the bullshit rules they have, even if colleges didn’t independently pay the players. [/quote]

EXACTLY. One and done was a joke from the get go.

You HAVE to go to college for one year and then you GET to go to the pros if you’re good enough.

The NCAA likes it (huge jersey sales) and the NBA likes it (one year of training and we get to see how you do).

Make money off signing a jersey or being in a commercial? Can’t have that. [/quote]

Sounds like the free market at work…

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Andrew Wiggins could of worked at a grocery store until he was eligible under NBA rules. Instead he chose to take advantage of a free education KU offered him.

Schools do not have to offer athletic scholarships you know. [/quote]

KU makes WAY TOO MUCH money off basketball to stop. Wiggins was supposed to work at a grocery store? That’s your answer.

C’mon man. That isn’t even worth talking about.

The scholarships are the sham so they can be underpaid and controlled without everyone being up in arms about it. It’s a good deal for some kids, a horrible deal for others. Sounds like Obamacare. Why complain about that? You don’t have to get the insurance. You can pay the fine.
[/quote]

I don’t really care where he works. He does not have to play in college. That’s his choice.

It’s a good deal for 99.99% of student athletes.

Lol, it is nothing like Obamacare.[/quote]

It’s nothing like the girl scouts, but those get brought up. [/quote]

Not by me.

It’s okay, let’s get Johnny Football paid. Screw the other 99.99% of NCAA athletes. Let’s ruin their shot at a free education.

Fast forward 10 years. Top recruits will make $100MM+ and there will be $0 in scholarship.

Sounds like progress. [/quote]

How does Johnny football signing an autograph lead to the demise of scholarships?

Where did I say universities needed to pay players? Why not let kids make money in the market like everyone else gets to do? Why are you against the market? I mean seriously? Why can he NOT make money off his jersey sales?

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]jjackkrash wrote:
The thing is, colleges could go a long in avoiding what is going to be a complete disaster if they just eliminated the pro-am distinction and some of the bullshit rules they have, even if colleges didn’t independently pay the players. [/quote]

EXACTLY. One and done was a joke from the get go.

You HAVE to go to college for one year and then you GET to go to the pros if you’re good enough.

The NCAA likes it (huge jersey sales) and the NBA likes it (one year of training and we get to see how you do).

Make money off signing a jersey or being in a commercial? Can’t have that. [/quote]

Sounds like the free market at work…

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What are you talking about?! The free market determines that kids shouldn’t be in a commercial? Why are 19 year old actors allowed to be in them?

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:
Here’s the thing usmc.

You can get a music scholarship to KU right now AND play in the band. A full ride. You can also play in a piano bar and make money OFF YOUR TALENTS. [/quote]

I already said I think it’s asinine that student athletes can’t get jobs. So if a part-time football league is create, which can earn these athletes money I’m fine with that.

[quote]
You can get a football scholarship to Alabama right now. A full ride. You can’t sign a piece of paper for someone who would pay you 5,000. You can’t get a cut of the sales of YOUR jersey. [/quote]

And I’d say “your cut” is tuition and board.

How is it not a free market. You are free to try out and play in the NCAA if you are chosen. If you are good enough we will pay for your education, room, and board. You will perform, in your given sport, if you wish to continue being compensated in this way. If you don’t like it, there’s the door.

Free.

So what, make another league. So what if it costs money. It costs a lot of money to start an accounting firm too, it still happens.

“Many of those kids talents would pay big bucks and they can be on billboards and all sorts of stuff and not make money. They can be on posters and not be paid for it.”

Then start a league that allows this and make bank. It’s that simple.

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
Andrew Wiggins could of worked at a grocery store until he was eligible under NBA rules. Instead he chose to take advantage of a free education KU offered him.

Schools do not have to offer athletic scholarships you know. [/quote]

KU makes WAY TOO MUCH money off basketball to stop. Wiggins was supposed to work at a grocery store? That’s your answer.

C’mon man. That isn’t even worth talking about.

The scholarships are the sham so they can be underpaid and controlled without everyone being up in arms about it. It’s a good deal for some kids, a horrible deal for others. Sounds like Obamacare. Why complain about that? You don’t have to get the insurance. You can pay the fine.
[/quote]

I don’t really care where he works. He does not have to play in college. That’s his choice.

It’s a good deal for 99.99% of student athletes.

Lol, it is nothing like Obamacare.[/quote]

It’s nothing like the girl scouts, but those get brought up. [/quote]

Not by me.

It’s okay, let’s get Johnny Football paid. Screw the other 99.99% of NCAA athletes. Let’s ruin their shot at a free education.

Fast forward 10 years. Top recruits will make $100MM+ and there will be $0 in scholarship.

Sounds like progress. [/quote]

How does Johnny football signing an autograph lead to the demise of scholarships?

Where did I say universities needed to pay players?

[quote]H factor wrote:
I’m not saying we need to give every kid tons of money [/quote]

Why not let kids make money in the market like everyone else gets to do? Why are you against the market? I mean seriously? Why can he NOT make money off his jersey sales? [/quote]

I don’t care if he makes money off his jersey sale, where did I say that?

I said he should not be paid, I couldn’t care less if he makes $10K off a signed football.

Paying student athletes will crush scholarship dollars. It’ll be no different than the NFL. Schools will negotiate for the top talent.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
How is it not a free market. You are free to try out and play in the NCAA if you are chosen. If you are good enough we will pay for your education, room, and board. You will perform, in your given sport, if you wish to continue being compensated in this way. If you don’t like it, there’s the door.

Free.
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Ok, let’s slow this down one more time. You left out some parts: "While you are here we will compensate you in a certain way. You will NOT be allowed to be compensated in other ways no matter what or you forfeit your eligibility. We are the ones to make the money off YOU, you can make money off you IF you are good enough in 1-2 years.

Don’t like it choose the other option that doesn’t exist. While you are under our house you live by our rules. Our big rule is that we make money off you, and you are penalized if you try to make money off you. If you are good enough you can make money off you eventually." Not right now. Serve your time boy. We own you. You can always walk away.

This is how we currently do things.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

I don’t care if he makes money off his jersey sale, where did I say that?

I said he should not be paid, I couldn’t care less if he makes $10K off a signed football.

Paying student athletes will crush scholarship dollars. It’ll be no different than the NFL. Schools will negotiate for the top talent. [/quote]

The NCAA does. So why support it? Schools already negotiate for the top talent. They want to be the place where you go for your one or two years. They work hard to make that happen.

You think they THOUGHT Andrew Wiggins was going to graduate? No. He was supremely talented and they wanted him. It’s how you win. You get the best people. The best people get you (universities) the TV deals, the jersey sales, etc. It’s a nice game they got going.

These things already happen. Loosening restrictions frees them up. You let kids make money off themselves LIKE EVERYONE ELSE CAN and it will fix many problems. Mainly, the kids will be free from unnecessary regulation.

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
How is it not a free market. You are free to try out and play in the NCAA if you are chosen. If you are good enough we will pay for your education, room, and board. You will perform, in your given sport, if you wish to continue being compensated in this way. If you don’t like it, there’s the door.

Free.
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Ok, let’s slow this down one more time. You left out some parts: "While you are here we will compensate you in a certain way. You will NOT be allowed to be compensated in other ways no matter what or you forfeit your eligibility. We are the ones to make the money off YOU, you can make money off you IF you are good enough in 1-2 years.

Don’t like it choose the other option that doesn’t exist. While you are under our house you live by our rules. Our big rule is that we make money off you, and you are penalized if you try to make money off you. If you are good enough you can make money off you eventually." Not right now. Serve your time boy. We own you. You can always walk away.

This is how we currently do things. [/quote]

Let me type this for the third time. The fact that they cannot get a job is asinine.

A scholarship is a form of compensation. They make “money”.

College sports are a prison now? Or slavery? That’s ridiculous.

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

I don’t care if he makes money off his jersey sale, where did I say that?

I said he should not be paid, I couldn’t care less if he makes $10K off a signed football.

Paying student athletes will crush scholarship dollars. It’ll be no different than the NFL. Schools will negotiate for the top talent. [/quote]

The NCAA does. So why support it? Schools already negotiate for the top talent. They want to be the place where you go for your one or two years. They work hard to make that happen.

You think they THOUGHT Andrew Wiggins was going to graduate? No. He was supremely talented and they wanted him. It’s how you win. You get the best people. The best people get you (universities) the TV deals, the jersey sales, etc. It’s a nice game they got going.

These things already happen. Loosening restrictions frees them up. You let kids make money off themselves LIKE EVERYONE ELSE CAN and it will fix many problems. Mainly, the kids will be free from unnecessary regulation. [/quote]

Please post one quote where I support the NCAA.

It may fix some problems, it will add just as many.