PSU Death Watch

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As a progression from the Sandusky trial thread. this thread is to discuss what happens now…after the trial and Freeh Report. The world of college football awaits probable sanctions from NCAA, DOE review, and possibly further criminal charges.

If PSU wants to regain ANY respect, I think they should shut the program down themselves. That would show that they are indeed proactive, serious and starting to ‘get it’. It would be far better than waiting for the NCAA or DOE to do it.

I also saw a Big Ten petition on-line for people to sign who want to throw PSU out of the Big 10. I don’t think it’s that easy, but its there regardless.

This next stage of this saga should come to a head relatively quickly, with what? six weeks until game day?

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For example, when I was in High School, there was a vacant house in my hometown. Apparently, a few unscrupulous people broke-in and began to use it for illegal activity. I think it was prostitution with a dab of drug activity. It hit the papers and within a few days, the absentee owner had the place razed. Totally demolished, leveled, taken away.

It happened so fast that before anyone had the chance to do a drive-by and think, ‘that’s where such and such happened’, it was already gone.

This example is a grain of sand compared to the Penn State beach-bucket, but you get the idea.

If they were smart, PSU would be making deals NOW with the NCAA and the DOE to bring the quickest possible resolution.

Let the kids transfer with an extra year of eligibility.

OR, to take a difference stance…let PSU donate the proceeds from all football for the next 10 years to charity. Then, PSU football becomes part of the solution with the money football brings.

Thoughts?

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I Think their program will die a natural death. They will have an impossible task of recruiting top talent for their team. Shame for the students and athletes who get screwed due to the poor decisions of the leadership. Seems to be a common theme these days.

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Yep - they should kill the program themselves, but they never will. Too much money at stake.

The whole thing is absolutely disgusting. Whatever legacy Paterno hoped to leave, he’ll go down in history as a self serving scumbag who turned a blind eye to child rape.

Awful.

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bump?

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The football program is done one way or another. My question is, why would anyone want to go there anymore? If im in high school, not an athlete, that’d be the last place i would be looking into to going.

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Penn State WILL not and SHOULD not shut down their football program. Shutting down their football team would decimate the schools ENTIRE athletic department because the revenue generated by football pays for virtually every other sport at major universities.

Do the players on the womens water polo team or the men’s baseball team deserve to have their colligate athletic careers ended prematurely because of this scandal? (the answer is absolutely not) What about the players on the Penn State football team who had no idea about this? Do they deserve to have their program shut down? (again, the answer is no)

The University did what they needed to do when this story broke. they fired everyone involved and launched a serious internal investigation. It is NOT Penn States (the rest of the school) fault, it is the fault of several different individuals and they should be the ones punished.

Each person who had a part in the cover up should be:
A. Fired immediately with no severance/retirement.
B. Brought up on criminal charges for their part in this scandal.
C. Sued for all that they are worth in civil court… They should end up broke and in prison with their life ruined.

Penn State should (and I believe will) take down the JoePa statue and distance themselves as much as possible from him. Take down posters, re name clubs/areas that were named after him (which they have already started doing) and wipe the campus of his/anyone involved’s memory.

Disband the football program? Please

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[quote]gregron wrote:
Penn State WILL not and SHOULD not shut down their football program. Shutting down their football team would decimate the schools ENTIRE athletic department because the revenue generated by football pays for virtually every other sport at major universities.

Do the players on the womens water polo team or the men’s baseball team deserve to have their colligate athletic careers ended prematurely because of this scandal? (the answer is absolutely not) What about the players on the Penn State football team who had no idea about this? Do they deserve to have their program shut down? (again, the answer is no)

The University did what they needed to do when this story broke. they fired everyone involved and launched a serious internal investigation. It is NOT Penn States (the rest of the school) fault, it is the fault of several different individuals and they should be the ones punished.

Each person who had a part in the cover up should be:
A. Fired immediately with no severance/retirement.
B. Brought up on criminal charges for their part in this scandal.
C. Sued for all that they are worth in civil court… They should end up broke and in prison with their life ruined.

Penn State should (and I believe will) take down the JoePa statue and distance themselves as much as possible from him. Take down posters, re name clubs/areas that were named after him (which they have already started doing) and wipe the campus of his/anyone involved’s memory.

Disband the football program? Please[/quote]

Part of the function of a penalty is not just justice, but deterrence. If the University made millions off of the football program, and the individuals only suffer consequences, it isn’t much deterrent for other Universities to do differently.

Pretty much ALL NCAA penalties hurt individuals who had nothing to do with infractions. The Reggie Bush thing hurt pretty much entirely players and coaches who weren’t even at the program when the shit went down. You pretty much have to be against all NCAA sanctions if you think a penalty like that is wrong.

There is a truth to the idea of an atmosphere at the university. The university in general put the football program on a pedestal and gave it absolute power. That should be punished too.

I was reading some articles with some more detail about this earlier. But basically, the faculty knew football was #1 priority and that the school did absolutely anything to win games. It was a problem with the entire culture.

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[quote]gregron wrote:
Penn State WILL not and SHOULD not shut down their football program. Shutting down their football team would decimate the schools ENTIRE athletic department because the revenue generated by football pays for virtually every other sport at major universities.

Do the players on the womens water polo team or the men’s baseball team deserve to have their colligate athletic careers ended prematurely because of this scandal? (the answer is absolutely not) What about the players on the Penn State football team who had no idea about this? Do they deserve to have their program shut down? (again, the answer is no)

The University did what they needed to do when this story broke. they fired everyone involved and launched a serious internal investigation. It is NOT Penn States (the rest of the school) fault, it is the fault of several different individuals and they should be the ones punished.

Each person who had a part in the cover up should be:
A. Fired immediately with no severance/retirement.
B. Brought up on criminal charges for their part in this scandal.
C. Sued for all that they are worth in civil court… They should end up broke and in prison with their life ruined.

Penn State should (and I believe will) take down the JoePa statue and distance themselves as much as possible from him. Take down posters, re name clubs/areas that were named after him (which they have already started doing) and wipe the campus of his/anyone involved’s memory.

Disband the football program? Please[/quote]

I agree with you. People want to take away the football money as if the football program just sits back and enjoys that money, when it is what fuels all other sports.

Penn state did the right thing in firing everybody. I also have great respect that they hired Freeh to investigate. They got the best guy possible to find out EVERYTHING even though everything he found was going to hurt the image of the school.

I do think that the NCAA should give the football players a free pass to transfer if they wish. If they don’t feel comfortable playing for penn state because of this, they shouldn’t have to give up a year of eligability.

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[quote]Chris87 wrote:
I do think that the NCAA should give the football players a free pass to transfer if they wish. If they don’t feel comfortable playing for penn state because of this, they shouldn’t have to give up a year of eligability.[/quote]

I’m getting tired of seeing this written.

Literally NO ONE is calling for ANY punitive action towards ANY current student-athletes, and we’ve already seen numerous instances of allowing transfers without any loss of eligibility.

Obviously, that would also be the case here.

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[quote]chillain wrote:

[quote]Chris87 wrote:
I do think that the NCAA should give the football players a free pass to transfer if they wish. If they don’t feel comfortable playing for penn state because of this, they shouldn’t have to give up a year of eligability.[/quote]

I’m getting tired of seeing this written.

Literally NO ONE is calling for ANY punitive action towards ANY current student-athletes, and we’ve already seen numerous instances of allowing transfers without any loss of eligibility.

Obviously, that would also be the case here.

[/quote]

I didn’t say anyone was.

I also never said the NCAA wouldn’t do this. They haven’t yet, but I think they should. I don’t know what your problem is with that.

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[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
Penn State WILL not and SHOULD not shut down their football program. Shutting down their football team would decimate the schools ENTIRE athletic department because the revenue generated by football pays for virtually every other sport at major universities.

Do the players on the womens water polo team or the men’s baseball team deserve to have their colligate athletic careers ended prematurely because of this scandal? (the answer is absolutely not) What about the players on the Penn State football team who had no idea about this? Do they deserve to have their program shut down? (again, the answer is no)

The University did what they needed to do when this story broke. they fired everyone involved and launched a serious internal investigation. It is NOT Penn States (the rest of the school) fault, it is the fault of several different individuals and they should be the ones punished.

Each person who had a part in the cover up should be:
A. Fired immediately with no severance/retirement.
B. Brought up on criminal charges for their part in this scandal.
C. Sued for all that they are worth in civil court… They should end up broke and in prison with their life ruined.

Penn State should (and I believe will) take down the JoePa statue and distance themselves as much as possible from him. Take down posters, re name clubs/areas that were named after him (which they have already started doing) and wipe the campus of his/anyone involved’s memory.

Disband the football program? Please[/quote]

Part of the function of a penalty is not just justice, but deterrence. If the University made millions off of the football program, and the individuals only suffer consequences, it isn’t much deterrent for other Universities to do differently.

Pretty much ALL NCAA penalties hurt individuals who had nothing to do with infractions. The Reggie Bush thing hurt pretty much entirely players and coaches who weren’t even at the program when the shit went down. You pretty much have to be against all NCAA sanctions if you think a penalty like that is wrong.

There is a truth to the idea of an atmosphere at the university. The university in general put the football program on a pedestal and gave it absolute power. That should be punished too.

I was reading some articles with some more detail about this earlier. But basically, the faculty knew football was #1 priority and that the school did absolutely anything to win games. It was a problem with the entire culture.[/quote]

You do understand that the Reggie Bush incident, the Pryor tattoo Ohio State incident, the MSU “death sentence” incident and the Miami Hurricanes incident were all punishments for actual (or alleged) NCAA infractions right?

The Penn State case isn’t an actual NCAA infraction (I posted a write up about this in the other Penn State thread) they could use the “lack of institutional control” blanket statement to cover this incident but in and of itself it isn’t an actual violation like all the others were.

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[quote]Chris87 wrote:

[quote]chillain wrote:

[quote]Chris87 wrote:
I do think that the NCAA should give the football players a free pass to transfer if they wish. If they don’t feel comfortable playing for penn state because of this, they shouldn’t have to give up a year of eligability.[/quote]

I’m getting tired of seeing this written.

Literally NO ONE is calling for ANY punitive action towards ANY current student-athletes, and we’ve already seen numerous instances of allowing transfers without any loss of eligibility.

Obviously, that would also be the case here.

[/quote]

I didn’t say anyone was.

I also never said the NCAA wouldn’t do this. They haven’t yet, but I think they should. I don’t know what your problem is with that.[/quote]

Gotcha. I had later added a few sentences, as I realized I had clearly misunderstood your original point. Strange, because that edit showed up earlier but it’s gone now.

And I agree with you, obviously.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

You do understand that the Reggie Bush incident, the Pryor tattoo Ohio State incident, the MSU “death sentence” incident and the Miami Hurricanes incident were all punishments for actual (or alleged) NCAA infractions right?

The Penn State case isn’t an actual NCAA infraction (I posted a write up about this in the other Penn State thread) they could use the “lack of institutional control” blanket statement to cover this incident but in and of itself it isn’t an actual violation like all the others were.[/quote]

The NCAA rules do have general requirements regarding ethics and morals, etc. The football culture at PSU obviously created the environment where they were not longer able to ethically and morally control the institution. Preserving the football-machine was more important than basic human decency regarding child welfare.

It’s an exceedingly toxic environment and I feel bad for the current PSU players. It would be merciful to facilitate their transfers and give them another year of eligibility.

Before the Freeh Report came out, PSU proudly made the announcement that their current years fund-raising broke a record at $220 million. (Not sure I understand the wisdom of this announcement…but OK) $220 million sounds like enough to support the other sports AND child welfare causes. Let the kool-aid drinking alum pick up the tab for the other sports. Maybe they can create enough ‘buzz’ to support all the football dependent vendors as well. THEY ARE (thump thump) PENN STATE, after all. Hey, they can create ANOTHER MACHINE, bigger and better than the Father Joe machine, a machine that CURES every form of child abuse FOREVER…

Please, someone shut them down already…so we can get to the ‘cure’.
Get ALL the kids (players included) out of there.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
Penn State WILL not and SHOULD not shut down their football program. Shutting down their football team would decimate the schools ENTIRE athletic department because the revenue generated by football pays for virtually every other sport at major universities.

Do the players on the womens water polo team or the men’s baseball team deserve to have their colligate athletic careers ended prematurely because of this scandal? (the answer is absolutely not) What about the players on the Penn State football team who had no idea about this? Do they deserve to have their program shut down? (again, the answer is no)

The University did what they needed to do when this story broke. they fired everyone involved and launched a serious internal investigation. It is NOT Penn States (the rest of the school) fault, it is the fault of several different individuals and they should be the ones punished.

Each person who had a part in the cover up should be:
A. Fired immediately with no severance/retirement.
B. Brought up on criminal charges for their part in this scandal.
C. Sued for all that they are worth in civil court… They should end up broke and in prison with their life ruined.

Penn State should (and I believe will) take down the JoePa statue and distance themselves as much as possible from him. Take down posters, re name clubs/areas that were named after him (which they have already started doing) and wipe the campus of his/anyone involved’s memory.

Disband the football program? Please[/quote]

Part of the function of a penalty is not just justice, but deterrence. If the University made millions off of the football program, and the individuals only suffer consequences, it isn’t much deterrent for other Universities to do differently.

Pretty much ALL NCAA penalties hurt individuals who had nothing to do with infractions. The Reggie Bush thing hurt pretty much entirely players and coaches who weren’t even at the program when the shit went down. You pretty much have to be against all NCAA sanctions if you think a penalty like that is wrong.

There is a truth to the idea of an atmosphere at the university. The university in general put the football program on a pedestal and gave it absolute power. That should be punished too.

I was reading some articles with some more detail about this earlier. But basically, the faculty knew football was #1 priority and that the school did absolutely anything to win games. It was a problem with the entire culture.[/quote]

You do understand that the Reggie Bush incident, the Pryor tattoo Ohio State incident, the MSU “death sentence” incident and the Miami Hurricanes incident were all punishments for actual (or alleged) NCAA infractions right?

The Penn State case isn’t an actual NCAA infraction (I posted a write up about this in the other Penn State thread) they could use the “lack of institutional control” blanket statement to cover this incident but in and of itself it isn’t an actual violation like all the others were.[/quote]

Using the prestegious football program as a feeder system to rape kids might not be spelled out in the NCAA regulations as being ‘frowned upon’ but I am pretty sure it does follow along the same lines as sexual misconduct. Coaches can’t have relationships with players or any non-student athlete. You might be right though. Having sex with kids might be completely fine with the NCAA.

Your logic is totally fucked. Now that this has been uncovered, anyone, student non-athlete and student athlete alike, has to decide if they want to support a program/university that supports raping childeren. Anyone who stays is a pedophile at this point. Personally, I think they should lock Sandusky in the biggest building on campus filled to capacity with other convicted child rapists, and then burn the building down on live TV.

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[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:
Penn State WILL not and SHOULD not shut down their football program. Shutting down their football team would decimate the schools ENTIRE athletic department because the revenue generated by football pays for virtually every other sport at major universities.

Do the players on the womens water polo team or the men’s baseball team deserve to have their colligate athletic careers ended prematurely because of this scandal? (the answer is absolutely not) What about the players on the Penn State football team who had no idea about this? Do they deserve to have their program shut down? (again, the answer is no)

The University did what they needed to do when this story broke. they fired everyone involved and launched a serious internal investigation. It is NOT Penn States (the rest of the school) fault, it is the fault of several different individuals and they should be the ones punished.

Each person who had a part in the cover up should be:
A. Fired immediately with no severance/retirement.
B. Brought up on criminal charges for their part in this scandal.
C. Sued for all that they are worth in civil court… They should end up broke and in prison with their life ruined.

Penn State should (and I believe will) take down the JoePa statue and distance themselves as much as possible from him. Take down posters, re name clubs/areas that were named after him (which they have already started doing) and wipe the campus of his/anyone involved’s memory.

Disband the football program? Please[/quote]

Part of the function of a penalty is not just justice, but deterrence. If the University made millions off of the football program, and the individuals only suffer consequences, it isn’t much deterrent for other Universities to do differently.

Pretty much ALL NCAA penalties hurt individuals who had nothing to do with infractions. The Reggie Bush thing hurt pretty much entirely players and coaches who weren’t even at the program when the shit went down. You pretty much have to be against all NCAA sanctions if you think a penalty like that is wrong.

There is a truth to the idea of an atmosphere at the university. The university in general put the football program on a pedestal and gave it absolute power. That should be punished too.

I was reading some articles with some more detail about this earlier. But basically, the faculty knew football was #1 priority and that the school did absolutely anything to win games. It was a problem with the entire culture.[/quote]

You do understand that the Reggie Bush incident, the Pryor tattoo Ohio State incident, the MSU “death sentence” incident and the Miami Hurricanes incident were all punishments for actual (or alleged) NCAA infractions right?

The Penn State case isn’t an actual NCAA infraction (I posted a write up about this in the other Penn State thread) they could use the “lack of institutional control” blanket statement to cover this incident but in and of itself it isn’t an actual violation like all the others were.[/quote]

Using the prestegious football program as a feeder system to rape kids might not be spelled out in the NCAA regulations as being ‘frowned upon’ but I am pretty sure it does follow along the same lines as sexual misconduct. Coaches can’t have relationships with players or any non-student athlete. You might be right though. Having sex with kids might be completely fine with the NCAA.

Your logic is totally fucked. Now that this has been uncovered, anyone, student non-athlete and student athlete alike, has to decide if they want to support a program/university that supports raping childeren. Anyone who stays is a pedophile at this point. Personally, I think they should lock Sandusky in the biggest building on campus filled to capacity with other convicted child rapists, and then burn the building down on live TV.[/quote]

I thought that it was a general NCAA rule that breaking the law was a violation. There may not be a NCAA rule specific to murdering someone, but if a player shoots someone, I’d think the NCAA would have penalties too.

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LOL@ some of your guys thinking.

You’re acting as if every person employed by Penn State or every person that is part of the Penn State football program knew about this. News flash: They didn’t.

A handful of people knew and covered it up. Do you guys not understand this? It wasn’t ALL of Penn State or the ENTIRE football program… It was a few terrible men.

Penn State == JoePa & the AD.

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When there is a statue of someone who is still alive (obviously not anymore), Yes!, Penn State most definitely equaled Paterno and the football program.

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The NCAA did get involved with a shooting case once… Because it was a player shooting another player!

The NCAA Comittee on infractions job is to keep a level competitive playing field. If it doesn’t result in an unfair advantage (like giving special benifits to a player to come to your school would) then its not really the NCAA’s doing.

“but if a player shoots someone I’d think the NCAA would have to have some penalties too.”

^^Like what? Ban the team from a bowl game? LOL… What about all the players at Florida who were arrested on drug charges, underfed drinking and DUI’s while Urban Meyer was the coach? What’d te NCAA do about that?

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[quote]gregron wrote:
The NCAA did get involved with a shooting case once… Because it was a player shooting another player!

The NCAA Comittee on infractions job is to keep a level competitive playing field. If it doesn’t result in an unfair advantage (like giving special benifits to a player to come to your school would) then its not really the NCAA’s doing.

“but if a player shoots someone I’d think the NCAA would have to have some penalties too.”

^^Like what? Ban the team from a bowl game? LOL… What about all the players at Florida who were arrested on drug charges, underfed drinking and DUI’s while Urban Meyer was the coach? What’d te NCAA do about that?[/quote]

You, like penstate, are overvaluing athletics. You need to make sure no other program ever does anything like this ever again. How do you suggest they do that?