[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
Dallas Cowboys wide receiver Dez Bryant has agreed to strict guidelines from team officials regarding his conduct away from the field.
The guidelines Bryant agreed to took effect Aug. 23 when the team returned to Dallas after three weeks of training camp in California, according to sources.
Sources say some of the rules Bryant must abide are as follows:
? A midnight curfew. If he’s going to miss curfew, team officials must know in advance;
If Dez Bryant is unable to succeed on the field – or off – under these rules, then it’ll be time for Dallas to move on, Jean-Jacques Taylor writes. Story
? No drinking alcohol.
? He can’t attend any strip clubs and can only attend nightclubs if they are approved by the team and he has a security team with him.
? He must attend counseling sessions twice a week.
? A rotating three-man security team will leave one man with Bryant at all times.
? Members of the security team will drive Bryant to practices, games and team functions.[/quote]
Can Dez Bryant make money off his autograph? Can Dez Bryant star in commericals? Can Dez Bryant make money outside of the Cowboys?
What you’re talking about and the point I’m making have NOTHING in common Z.
Rules for expected behavior as a role model vs. “you can’t make any money outside of this, but we can make money off of you in these manners that you can’t.”
The restrictions aren’t the same and are for completely different reasons. The Cowboys are protecting an investment they made and someone they are paying handsomely.
Who exactly is the NCAA protecting players from? Themselves? “Don’t worry guys, we’ll make sure none of those corporate people pay you by making sure they can only pay us!”
[quote]H factor wrote:
We can talk about how things SHOULD be or analyze how they actually are. [/quote]
Everything you’ve written is about how you think it SHOULD be…[/quote]
And I’ve given plenty of reasons for why I think that.
I think you’d have to be high to think college sports is not big business at a time when BILLION dollar TV contracts exist. [/quote]
I’d love to see a single post I wrote that says “college sports aren’t big business”[/quote]
You haven’t said it but you have multiple posts alluding to this idea that for kids college is primary and the sport is secondary. This couldn’t be further from the truth in a great many cases.
It’s not an after school activity. This isn’t Pop Warner. This isn’t something kids do after school.
It’s SUPPOSED to be perhaps, something on the side, but it isn’t. It hasn’t been for a while. It’s a BILLION dollar industry. An industry that has done nothing but grow and is on track to do nothing but grow.
The last thing those who are making all the money from it is want someone else to get pieces of it. Which makes it exactly like every other business ever. That actually doesn’t bother me, but let’s not pretend these people have the best interests of college students in mind and the college athletes are the greedy ones in this equation.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I remember going to the Cotton Bowl in 1994 (I think), we ended up playing against Texas Tech in Dallas.
I remember getting $400, it was called a gift, along with some clothing and some trinkets. It was also some kind of compensation for giving up my winter break to practice and play during the holiday.
Thinking about how the way things work today, if players were paid, it would only cause an increase in prices for ticket, merchandise, advertising, etc.
Let’s face it, the university is not going to just eat the loss for paying players.
So the real question is, are people willing to pay more to attend games, or buy memorabilia ? Because that is what I think it will come down to. [/quote]
Players don’t need to get paid by the college. Of course the university is not going to eat the loss. It’s nice that we are starting to talk about this stuff as a business though. We’ve come a ways in this thread from pretending it wasn’t shady.
The people who are making the big money off this will fight tooth and nail against anyone who argues they should make less though.
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I remember going to the Cotton Bowl in 1994 (I think), we ended up playing against Texas Tech in Dallas.
I remember getting $400, it was called a gift, along with some clothing and some trinkets. It was also some kind of compensation for giving up my winter break to practice and play during the holiday.
Thinking about how the way things work today, if players were paid, it would only cause an increase in prices for ticket, merchandise, advertising, etc.
Let’s face it, the university is not going to just eat the loss for paying players.
So the real question is, are people willing to pay more to attend games, or buy memorabilia ? Because that is what I think it will come down to. [/quote]
They could just stop with athletic scholarships and make them actual students first. Is there a valid reason for college sports to be taken so seriously?
[quote]MaximusB wrote:
I remember going to the Cotton Bowl in 1994 (I think), we ended up playing against Texas Tech in Dallas.
I remember getting $400, it was called a gift, along with some clothing and some trinkets. It was also some kind of compensation for giving up my winter break to practice and play during the holiday.
Thinking about how the way things work today, if players were paid, it would only cause an increase in prices for ticket, merchandise, advertising, etc.
Let’s face it, the university is not going to just eat the loss for paying players.
So the real question is, are people willing to pay more to attend games, or buy memorabilia ? Because that is what I think it will come down to. [/quote]
They could just stop with athletic scholarships and make them actual students first. Is there a valid reason for college sports to be taken so seriously? [/quote]
This has no chance of happening. Everyone is making way too much money to see this type of change. I’m not even for that to be honest (if anything just in the pragmatic sense of getting done what you can get done). And you still have people buying the free education argument which I honestly think someone in the NCAA gets paid every time they convince someone that it what is going on. At the very least they snicker and say “God Bless America” they are still buying the shit line we keep selling them!
[quote]ZJStrope wrote:
Dallas Cowboys wide receiver Dez Bryant has agreed to strict guidelines from team officials regarding his conduct away from the field.
The guidelines Bryant agreed to took effect Aug. 23 when the team returned to Dallas after three weeks of training camp in California, according to sources.
Sources say some of the rules Bryant must abide are as follows:
? A midnight curfew. If he’s going to miss curfew, team officials must know in advance;
If Dez Bryant is unable to succeed on the field – or off – under these rules, then it’ll be time for Dallas to move on, Jean-Jacques Taylor writes. Story
? No drinking alcohol.
? He can’t attend any strip clubs and can only attend nightclubs if they are approved by the team and he has a security team with him.
? He must attend counseling sessions twice a week.
? A rotating three-man security team will leave one man with Bryant at all times.
? Members of the security team will drive Bryant to practices, games and team functions.[/quote]
Can Dez Bryant make money off his autograph? Can Dez Bryant star in commericals? Can Dez Bryant make money outside of the Cowboys?
What you’re talking about and the point I’m making have NOTHING in common Z.
Rules for expected behavior as a role model vs. “you can’t make any money outside of this, but we can make money off of you in these manners that you can’t.”
The restrictions aren’t the same and are for completely different reasons. The Cowboys are protecting an investment they made and someone they are paying handsomely.
Who exactly is the NCAA protecting players from? Themselves? “Don’t worry guys, we’ll make sure none of those corporate people pay you by making sure they can only pay us!”
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You still don’t get the point, but that’s ok.
Who get’s to decide to what level of control you can have over someone in a contract? You start saying “Well, you can’t say they aren’t allowed to do X & Y, but you can say they can’t do A & B.”
Who gets to choose that? You? The government?
What’s the point of a contract then if you can just whine and cry about something you signed up for and get it changed?
And let’s talk about all of those lucrative outside business deals these college kids are missing out on. Here’ s a great article about NFL players and all of their awesome opportunities:
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Agents will tell you that one of the biggest issues we have with our clients is setting their expectations for off-field endorsements and income opportunities. I live in San Diego and follow the Chargers because I am here. Even though this city has over one million people it gives little in the way of marketing opportunities for the Chargers players. Just ask Drew Brees, LaDainian Tomlinson or Antonio Gates. When the Chargers were rolling along as one of the leagueâ??s â??it teamsâ??, and LT was rewriting the record books, the premier deal he had was pitching a local hot tub company. Although companies such as Qualcomm, Sony (marketing division), Bumble Bee, TaylorMade and Active.com have a presence here, they didnâ??t go to any of the Chargers players for marketing help.
This scenario gets played out over and over again in just about every NFL city. Much to the surprise of the players who play there. Hereâ??s why:
Chad OchocincoOchocinco used his mouth and personality to garner endorsements.
Character Risk: One of the 1996 Packersâ?? Super Bowl champs was TE Mark Chmura. He was a perfect role model and even publicly snubbed a visit to the White House because he disliked Bill Clintonâ??s values (as he once referenced because of the Monica Lewinski issue). This good looking all American type, Super Bowl ring wearing model citizen was later charged with sexual assault of a 17-year-old minor. Although a jury eventually found Mark innocent, his image, his reputation and his legacy was pulverized by the incident.
When cyclist Lance Armstrong fell from grace, his marketing deals were quickly stripped away. Every time an athlete falls off his pedestal it hurts the marketability of all athletes in all sports. Therefore, many companies shy away from using athletes to promote their brand for fear that the athlete may be a headliner one morning and tarnish their brand as well.
Under the helmet: Many NFL players just donâ??t get the facial recognition that their counterparts get in baseball and basketball. When an NBA player shoots a free throw, we get a good close up of every characteristic of their face. We see facial expressions and get a feeling of their personality. The cameras make it an intimate portrait. For NFL players, if you are not the QB and not constantly talking to the media after every game or practice, you wonâ??t garner household face recognition. And thus, you won’t get the endorsements either.
Wrong team, wrong market: If you are a great player on a losing team, the chances for national endorsements are slim. If you are a great player on a bad team in a small market, they are worse. Companies want winners!
The top few get the lionâ??s share: Cities like Baltimore, Dallas, Boston, Philly and Green Bay really built an intimate relationship with their star players. Even though there are over 50 players on a team, the majority of endorsements will usually go to just a handful of players. Even in cities like New York you would think that fifteen to twenty players on a team can make over a few hundred thousand dollars each in endorsements, itâ??s just not the case.
For the 254 draft picks of the 2013 draft and their families who think the extra cash will be rolling in, they too will soon be in for a shock. Players may receive a lot of free product and even the use of a free car. However, it takes a lot of hard work to secure lucrative long-term endorsement deals. It sometimes takes being a super bowl MVP. It definitely takes a hard working endorsement rep.
So what can players and their agents do to cultivate endorsement opportunities?
For one, players have to be patient and take their time in building relationships with a companyâ??s decision-makers. They must also work at building a brand identity by giving a lot of themselves in the community, with charities and the media.
Another way may be by soliciting smaller but fast growing companies in your local market. It could be a solar power company, an equipment maker or even a local insurance company. Also, solicit competitors of the dominant companies in an area. When Adidas announced that they were getting into football in the mid nineties, they couldnâ??t get any of the top NFL players to endorse their product. One of the â??hot teamsâ?? of the day was the Buccaneers. They tried to get Warren Sapp, John Lynch and or Derrick Brooks. So I offered them (about the 5th most popular player on the team) WR/KR/PR, Karl â??the Truthâ?? Williams. It turned out to be a great deal. Karl received cash, merchandise and numerous billboards through out the Tampa area. None of the other Bucs player had a billboard. Within the next year, half the star Bucs players switched over to Adidas because they wanted to see their pictures on billboards as well.
The truth of the matter is, in the NFL player marketing business, it takes time to build up a personal brand and earn trust with companies. Additionally, many athletes think that they need a big agency to secure marketing deals. Not true! Drew Brees, Tom Brady and several others of the biggest NFL endorsers use their own mid-size agent or an outside boutique marketing agency. The bottom line is, it takes a commitment by players and agents to bring in off-field income.[/quote]
Seems like USMC idea that only the best of the best will be making any money off their name is more and more a reality.
In the event that you make it to the NFL and are in position to obtain an endorsement or two, these are some things that youâ??ll need to abide by.
Of course, itâ??s not a big deal to try to remember any of this stuff, as your agent and/or lawyer will be able to go over this stuff when the time comes, but I thought some of you might find this stuff good to know regardless.
NFL Restrictions on Endorsements
The NFL restricts the kinds of endorsements players and coaches can undertake.
Before pursuing or agreeing to an endorsement opportunity, the player and/or his agent should check some of the following rules or restrictions first.
Alcohol/tobacco products.
NFL prohibits players, coaches and other employees from appearing in commercials for or endorsing alcoholic beverages or tobacco products.
Banned substances.
Players canâ??t endorse any companies that produce any products that are on the NFLâ??s Prohibited Substance list.
Notice that the rule says that the player canâ??t endorse a company that produces â??anything bannedâ??.
So even if youâ??re endorsing a product thatâ??s not banned, if the company makes anything that is, you canâ??t endorse their company, or any of their products.
Medical/pharmaceutical companies.
When it comes to endorsing medications and pharmaceuticals, players can only endorse stuff from approved companies that make stuff like allergy medication, hair growth, dermatological products, or cholesterol reduction.
Restrictions on Athletic Wear
The National Football League recently signed a contract with Nike, which requires that all NFL players wear Nike shoes during games.
If if you have your own endorsement deal with a competitor of Nike, all logos and symbols that identify that company have to be covered up when youâ??re on the field, including practice fields.
You also have to cover them up in press conferences. [/quote]
[quote]H factor wrote:
We can talk about how things SHOULD be or analyze how they actually are. [/quote]
Everything you’ve written is about how you think it SHOULD be…[/quote]
And I’ve given plenty of reasons for why I think that.
I think you’d have to be high to think college sports is not big business at a time when BILLION dollar TV contracts exist. [/quote]
I’d love to see a single post I wrote that says “college sports aren’t big business”[/quote]
You haven’t said it but you have multiple posts alluding to this idea that for kids college is primary and the sport is secondary. This couldn’t be further from the truth in a great many cases.
It’s not an after school activity. This isn’t Pop Warner. This isn’t something kids do after school.
It’s SUPPOSED to be perhaps, something on the side, but it isn’t. It hasn’t been for a while. It’s a BILLION dollar industry. An industry that has done nothing but grow and is on track to do nothing but grow.
The last thing those who are making all the money from it is want someone else to get pieces of it. Which makes it exactly like every other business ever. That actually doesn’t bother me, but let’s not pretend these people have the best interests of college students in mind and the college athletes are the greedy ones in this equation. [/quote]
Yes, for the students the primary purpose is education. Yes for the college educating is their primary purpose. That doesn’t mean I don’t recognize or admit college sports is big business. That doesn’t change a thing in my opinion.
Schools are making up to a Billion bucks a year, there is no way in hell they are going to just give that up.
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As the article I posted points out a lot of schools are in the red because of collegiate sports. Revenue may be in the billions, but apparently so are expenses.
Seems like USMC idea that only the best of the best will be making any money off their name is more and more a reality.
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Lol, Joe Flacco does First Mariner Bank (A MD bank) & local Pizza Hut commercials, Ray Rice does M&T Bank commercials, Haloti Naita (sp) does Royal Farms commercials, Ray Lewis is now doing a local Lexus dealership commercial. I think I’ve seen Jacoby Jones in something and that was in the year the Ravens won the Super Bowl.
Schools are making up to a Billion bucks a year, there is no way in hell they are going to just give that up.
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As the article I posted points out a lot of schools are in the red because of collegiate sports. Revenue may be in the billions, but apparently so are expenses. [/quote]
Lol expenses.
It is very important for colleges to “look” like they are losing money. It is very important for colleges to spend big time because that makes it look like they aren’t making a killing.
You can’t actually believe that billion dollar revenues aren’t making a few people insanely rich and the reason we can’t do more for the kids is because "well we got all these “expenses.”
Schools are making up to a Billion bucks a year, there is no way in hell they are going to just give that up.
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As the article I posted points out a lot of schools are in the red because of collegiate sports. Revenue may be in the billions, but apparently so are expenses. [/quote]
Lol expenses.
It is very important for colleges to “look” like they are losing money. It is very important for colleges to spend big time because that makes it look like they aren’t making a killing.
You can’t actually believe that billion dollar revenues aren’t making a few people insanely rich and the reason we can’t do more for the kids is because "well we got all these “expenses.” [/quote]
H, the company I work for has billions in revenue every single year and a good year is a 12% profit margin. Running large enterprises is expensive and we don’t owe millions upon millions for a stadium that holds 60k+.
Do you have proof that faculty/administrators are getting super rich off college sports?
Schools are making up to a Billion bucks a year, there is no way in hell they are going to just give that up.
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As the article I posted points out a lot of schools are in the red because of collegiate sports. Revenue may be in the billions, but apparently so are expenses. [/quote]
Lol expenses.
It is very important for colleges to “look” like they are losing money. It is very important for colleges to spend big time because that makes it look like they aren’t making a killing.
You can’t actually believe that billion dollar revenues aren’t making a few people insanely rich and the reason we can’t do more for the kids is because "well we got all these “expenses.” [/quote]
H, the company I work for has billions in revenue every single year and a good year is a 12% profit margin. Running large enterprises is expensive and we don’t owe millions upon millions for a stadium that holds 60k+.
Do you have proof that faculty/administrators are getting super rich off college sports?[/quote]
Take a look at the increase in athletic directors and head coaches pay over the last 15 years.
Look at assistant coaches and strength coaches pay over the last 15 years. See what bowl executives have made over the last 15 years. Look at the NCAA employee pay.
Schools are making up to a Billion bucks a year, there is no way in hell they are going to just give that up.
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As the article I posted points out a lot of schools are in the red because of collegiate sports. Revenue may be in the billions, but apparently so are expenses. [/quote]
Lol expenses.
It is very important for colleges to “look” like they are losing money. It is very important for colleges to spend big time because that makes it look like they aren’t making a killing.
You can’t actually believe that billion dollar revenues aren’t making a few people insanely rich and the reason we can’t do more for the kids is because "well we got all these “expenses.” [/quote]
H, the company I work for has billions in revenue every single year and a good year is a 12% profit margin. Running large enterprises is expensive and we don’t owe millions upon millions for a stadium that holds 60k+.
Do you have proof that faculty/administrators are getting super rich off college sports?[/quote]
Well he completely ignored the myriad of people that have to approve all of these expenses. It’s not like NCAA runs willy nilly by itself or AD’s are making decisions without appropriate governance, internal and external audits, government oversight (both federal and state). I can go on and on and on and on.
[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
^Point being there are, what, 48 other active players that have no commercials in MD. [/quote]
Signed memorabilia alone is worth thousands. And do you KNOW these other players don’t have endorsements or are you basing this off what you’ve seen on TV?
I bet the vast majority of Baltimore Ravens are earning money besides their paycheck with things related to them being NFL football players.
College athletes can’t do this despite the demand for their stuff as well.
Schools are making up to a Billion bucks a year, there is no way in hell they are going to just give that up.
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As the article I posted points out a lot of schools are in the red because of collegiate sports. Revenue may be in the billions, but apparently so are expenses. [/quote]
Lol expenses.
It is very important for colleges to “look” like they are losing money. It is very important for colleges to spend big time because that makes it look like they aren’t making a killing.
You can’t actually believe that billion dollar revenues aren’t making a few people insanely rich and the reason we can’t do more for the kids is because "well we got all these “expenses.” [/quote]
H, the company I work for has billions in revenue every single year and a good year is a 12% profit margin. Running large enterprises is expensive and we don’t owe millions upon millions for a stadium that holds 60k+.
Do you have proof that faculty/administrators are getting super rich off college sports?[/quote]
Well he completely ignored the myriad of people that have to approve all of these expenses. It’s not like NCAA runs willy nilly by itself or AD’s are making decisions without appropriate governance, internal and external audits, government oversight (both federal and state). I can go on and on and on and on.[/quote]
If this is the case then why are players winning lawsuits? What is the court basing these decisions on if everything is as you say?
And how many articles will I post that you don’t read with evidence to the contrary? Because you’ve “heard all the arguments?”
Why are their magazine covers and books talking about these things if everything is so cut and dry and on the up and up?
This is not something I’m pulling out of thin air.