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The pay for coaches is substantial, I know that UCLA coach Mora did not leave because he managed to negotiate more pay for his assistant coaches and that the facilities would be improved.

It’s funny how schools choose to spend their money. USC easily makes more money than most, if not all of the Pac-12 schools, but has some of the worst facilities compared to other schools in our conference.

It could also be argued that this ruling could be expanded further to include cheerleaders, band members, water boys, and just about anyone who is affiliated with the program.

Union membership has fallen flat over the years, this seems like a truly desperate ploy for Union dues.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
^Point being there are, what, 48 other active players that have no commercials in MD. [/quote]

[quote]H factor wrote:
Signed memorabilia alone is worth thousands. [/quote]

For who? I’m not paying a $1,000 bucks for Brett Favre’s signature (my favorite player) let alone even Joe Flacco or some second stringer’s. Point being a few athletes per team might make some money. There are probably 2 UMD D1 athletes that might make a little bit of money.

[quote]H factor wrote:
And do you KNOW these other players don’t have endorsements or are you basing this off what you’ve seen on TV? [/quote]

I don’t know for sure, I didn’t search the whole 52 man roster, but I’m pretty sure those are the ones with endorsement deals with maybe a handful more.

[quote]H factor wrote:
I bet the vast majority of Baltimore Ravens are earning money besides their paycheck with things related to them being NFL football players. [/quote]

I seriously doubt it.

[quote]H factor wrote:
College athletes can’t do this despite the demand for their stuff as well. [/quote]

I really doubt anyone is going to pay 99.99% of D1 athletes via endorsements and I bet 99.99999% would not make thousands off memorabilia.

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
H-Factor is right.

Schools are making up to a Billion bucks a year, there is no way in hell they are going to just give that up.

[/quote]

As the article I posted points out a lot of schools are in the red because of collegiate sports. Revenue may be in the billions, but apparently so are expenses. [/quote]

Lol expenses.

It is very important for colleges to “look” like they are losing money. It is very important for colleges to spend big time because that makes it look like they aren’t making a killing.

You can’t actually believe that billion dollar revenues aren’t making a few people insanely rich and the reason we can’t do more for the kids is because "well we got all these “expenses.” [/quote]

H, the company I work for has billions in revenue every single year and a good year is a 12% profit margin. Running large enterprises is expensive and we don’t owe millions upon millions for a stadium that holds 60k+.

Do you have proof that faculty/administrators are getting super rich off college sports?[/quote]

Well he completely ignored the myriad of people that have to approve all of these expenses. It’s not like NCAA runs willy nilly by itself or AD’s are making decisions without appropriate governance, internal and external audits, government oversight (both federal and state). I can go on and on and on and on.[/quote]

If this is the case then why are players winning lawsuits? What is the court basing these decisions on if everything is as you say?

And how many articles will I post that you don’t read with evidence to the contrary? Because you’ve “heard all the arguments?”

Why are their magazine covers and books talking about these things if everything is so cut and dry and on the up and up?

This is not something I’m pulling out of thin air. [/quote]

I did read every one of your articles. There are certainly things I agree with.

Ultimately the problem is, how do you ensure college athletes are not paid by the universities: either Directly or Indirectly?

You have agreed multiple times that the Universities shouldn’t pay athletes.

Ok good, I think we are all in agreement here.

So, how do you stop universities from indirectly paying athletes?

How do you stop a University from funneling money through a proper and legal channel and that channel then funnels that money to the athlete while skimming a little from the top as a fee?

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
H-Factor is right.

Schools are making up to a Billion bucks a year, there is no way in hell they are going to just give that up.

[/quote]

As the article I posted points out a lot of schools are in the red because of collegiate sports. Revenue may be in the billions, but apparently so are expenses. [/quote]

Lol expenses.

It is very important for colleges to “look” like they are losing money. It is very important for colleges to spend big time because that makes it look like they aren’t making a killing.

You can’t actually believe that billion dollar revenues aren’t making a few people insanely rich and the reason we can’t do more for the kids is because "well we got all these “expenses.” [/quote]

H, the company I work for has billions in revenue every single year and a good year is a 12% profit margin. Running large enterprises is expensive and we don’t owe millions upon millions for a stadium that holds 60k+.

Do you have proof that faculty/administrators are getting super rich off college sports?[/quote]

Take a look at the increase in athletic directors and head coaches pay over the last 15 years.

Look at assistant coaches and strength coaches pay over the last 15 years. See what bowl executives have made over the last 15 years. Look at the NCAA employee pay.

[/quote]

Shouldn’t you have to prove it to me? You are the one saying people are getting rich here.

I want to see proof faculty/administration is getting rich off collegiate athletics. Not the coaches, the coaches are being paid to do a job at market value. I assume you have no problem with that?

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
^Point being there are, what, 48 other active players that have no commercials in MD. [/quote]

[quote]H factor wrote:
Signed memorabilia alone is worth thousands. [/quote]

For who? I’m not paying a $1,000 bucks for Brett Favre’s signature (my favorite player) let alone even Joe Flacco or some second stringer’s. Point being a few athletes per team might make some money. There are probably 2 UMD D1 athletes that might make a little bit of money.

[quote]H factor wrote:
And do you KNOW these other players don’t have endorsements or are you basing this off what you’ve seen on TV? [/quote]

I don’t know for sure, I didn’t search the whole 52 man roster, but I’m pretty sure those are the ones with endorsement deals with maybe a handful more.

[quote]H factor wrote:
I bet the vast majority of Baltimore Ravens are earning money besides their paycheck with things related to them being NFL football players. [/quote]

I seriously doubt it.

[quote]H factor wrote:
College athletes can’t do this despite the demand for their stuff as well. [/quote]

I really doubt anyone is going to pay 99.99% of D1 athletes via endorsements and I bet 99.99999% would not make thousands off memorabilia. [/quote]

Yeah you keep throwing out these numbers, but I don’t think you understand the college game much.

First off go to a big game. See how many jerseys are in the stands? Huge demand for jerseys. A DINNER with Johnny football went for 20,000 dollars. Of course he didn’t see a dime of that.

Ohio State players got in trouble for giving signed memorabilia in trade for tattoos. That kind of thing can’t happen.

DEMAND for college jerseys is huge. DEMAND for numbered T-shirts is huge. DEMAND for video games WAS huge (before the lawsuit). Signed memorabilia still is big and is often used at charity events.

You seriously doubt a lot of things, it’s a shame you will never be proven wrong because the NCAA doesn’t want things to change. They don’t want kids to get any money. More for them.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]MaximusB wrote:
H-Factor is right.

Schools are making up to a Billion bucks a year, there is no way in hell they are going to just give that up.

[/quote]

As the article I posted points out a lot of schools are in the red because of collegiate sports. Revenue may be in the billions, but apparently so are expenses. [/quote]

Lol expenses.

It is very important for colleges to “look” like they are losing money. It is very important for colleges to spend big time because that makes it look like they aren’t making a killing.

You can’t actually believe that billion dollar revenues aren’t making a few people insanely rich and the reason we can’t do more for the kids is because "well we got all these “expenses.” [/quote]

H, the company I work for has billions in revenue every single year and a good year is a 12% profit margin. Running large enterprises is expensive and we don’t owe millions upon millions for a stadium that holds 60k+.

Do you have proof that faculty/administrators are getting super rich off college sports?[/quote]

Take a look at the increase in athletic directors and head coaches pay over the last 15 years.

Look at assistant coaches and strength coaches pay over the last 15 years. See what bowl executives have made over the last 15 years. Look at the NCAA employee pay.

[/quote]

Shouldn’t you have to prove it to me? You are the one saying people are getting rich here.

I want to see proof faculty/administration is getting rich off collegiate athletics. Not the coaches, the coaches are being paid to do a job at market value. I assume you have no problem with that? [/quote]

The market value works for everything. 2 million is just market value for the President of the NCAA. So if you’ll just dismiss all these things why should I find it.

You know who’s not making market value? Players. You would know that if you read the many articles I sent you that did the analysis and came to the same conclusion.

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[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

I did read every one of your articles. There are certainly things I agree with.

Ultimately the problem is, how do you ensure college athletes are not paid by the universities: either Directly or Indirectly?

You have agreed multiple times that the Universities shouldn’t pay athletes.

Ok good, I think we are all in agreement here.

So, how do you stop universities from indirectly paying athletes?

How do you stop a University from funneling money through a proper and legal channel and that channel then funnels that money to the athlete while skimming a little from the top as a fee?
[/quote]

Wait I thought you were arguing that universities are already paying player with tuition.

The universities don’t need to do anything except for quit being hypocrites and selling all this stuff tied to their players and not giving the players an opportunity to make anything from it.

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[quote]H factor wrote:
Yeah you keep throwing out these numbers, but I don’t think you understand the college game much.

First off go to a big game. See how many jerseys are in the stands? Huge demand for jerseys. [/quote]
How many of those Jersey’s are new and represent a player on the field at that game?

[quote]H factor wrote:
A DINNER with Johnny football went for 20,000 dollars. Of course he didn’t see a dime of that.
[/quote]

This is one player. ONE. There are how many players on a college football roster?

[quote]H factor wrote:
DEMAND for college jerseys is huge. DEMAND for numbered T-shirts is huge. DEMAND for video games WAS huge (before the lawsuit). Signed memorabilia still is big and is often used at charity events. [/quote]

For a select few players.

[quote]H factor wrote:
You seriously doubt a lot of things, it’s a shame you will never be proven wrong because the NCAA doesn’t want things to change. They don’t want kids to get any money. More for them. [/quote]

Because I’m no where near as emotionally invested in the situation as you are. I think if took a step back you would see what I’m saying, but it’s clear you have blinders on here.

Johnny Football would make some money.

The star on every team would makes some money.

2-5/54 players per team would make peanuts and the rest would make zero. That is reality. No one is paying Stefon Diggs for an autograph, dinner, jersey, etc…

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
^Point being there are, what, 48 other active players that have no commercials in MD. [/quote]

[quote]H factor wrote:
Signed memorabilia alone is worth thousands. [/quote]

For who? I’m not paying a $1,000 bucks for Brett Favre’s signature (my favorite player) let alone even Joe Flacco or some second stringer’s. Point being a few athletes per team might make some money. There are probably 2 UMD D1 athletes that might make a little bit of money.
[/quote]

This point is nonsensical usmc. YOU might not pay that much, but the demand is there.

Read this:

[quote]Even a simple and smart idea – like letting players get what they can for their autograph, their likeness, their appearance, and then have that money go into a trust fund for the day they graduate – has been shot down by the NCAA.

Why doesn’t the NCAA want players cashing in on their talent? Because they’re doing it.

As noted by ESPN’s Jay Bilas last week, all you had to do was go to the NCAA’s online shopping website, type in “Johnny Manziel,” and an image of his jersey would pop up, despite the NCAA’s caterwauling that players are not exploited at the NCAA register.

Busted.

So busted, in fact, that the day after the Bilas bombshell, the NCAA shut down the shopping site. Doesn’t matter. It’s too late. This is the smoking gun that Ed O’Bannon has been hoping for in his federal anti-trust lawsuit against the NCAA. So even though the NCAA won’t do the right thing, hopefully judges soon will.[/quote]

Why would the NCAA fight these things? Because they are the monopoly that wants to control it all. Don’t believe the shit they have been shoving down your throat for years. Everyone else is waking up to these things. It’s why the NCAA is losing.

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[quote]H factor wrote:
The market value works for everything. 2 million is just market value for the President of the NCAA. So if you’ll just dismiss all these things why should I find it.

You know who’s not making market value? Players. You would know that if you read the many articles I sent you that did the analysis and came to the same conclusion. [/quote]

You’re the one that keeps harping on free market. $2MM for the President of a multi-billion dollar not for profit seems like a deal to me.

I bet the average player would make less than the value of their scholarship.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:
Yeah you keep throwing out these numbers, but I don’t think you understand the college game much.

First off go to a big game. See how many jerseys are in the stands? Huge demand for jerseys. [/quote]
How many of those Jersey’s are new and represent a player on the field at that game?

[quote]H factor wrote:
A DINNER with Johnny football went for 20,000 dollars. Of course he didn’t see a dime of that.
[/quote]

This is one player. ONE. There are how many players on a college football roster?

[quote]H factor wrote:
DEMAND for college jerseys is huge. DEMAND for numbered T-shirts is huge. DEMAND for video games WAS huge (before the lawsuit). Signed memorabilia still is big and is often used at charity events. [/quote]

For a select few players.

[quote]H factor wrote:
You seriously doubt a lot of things, it’s a shame you will never be proven wrong because the NCAA doesn’t want things to change. They don’t want kids to get any money. More for them. [/quote]

Because I’m no where near as emotionally invested in the situation as you are. I think if took a step back you would see what I’m saying, but it’s clear you have blinders on here.

Johnny Football would make some money.

The star on every team would makes some money.

2-5/54 players per team would make peanuts and the rest would make zero. That is reality. No one is paying Stefon Diggs for an autograph, dinner, jersey, etc…
[/quote]

Lol, not emotionally invested? Hell you’ve posted as much as I have. The difference is that I have posted TONS of articles to back up what I’m saying and you’ve relied on your own words and saying things like 99.999% of X wouldn’t happen.

If you READ the articles you would see the pattern. Instead you say things like “well apparently the expenses are huge because they tell me they aren’t making anything.”

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:
The market value works for everything. 2 million is just market value for the President of the NCAA. So if you’ll just dismiss all these things why should I find it.

You know who’s not making market value? Players. You would know that if you read the many articles I sent you that did the analysis and came to the same conclusion. [/quote]

You’re the one that keeps harping on free market. $2MM for the President of a multi-billion dollar not for profit seems like a deal to me.

I bet the average player would make less than the value of their scholarship.
[/quote]

So the average player might not make that much therefore the NCAA should be the only person to make any money off athletes.

Ask yourself if that makes sense. Ask yourself if it is fair that people can get up to 1 million dollar bonuses for success of the athletes, but those athletes can’t sign their own fucking name to make a nickel.

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
^Point being there are, what, 48 other active players that have no commercials in MD. [/quote]

[quote]H factor wrote:
Signed memorabilia alone is worth thousands. [/quote]

For who? I’m not paying a $1,000 bucks for Brett Favre’s signature (my favorite player) let alone even Joe Flacco or some second stringer’s. Point being a few athletes per team might make some money. There are probably 2 UMD D1 athletes that might make a little bit of money.
[/quote]

This point is nonsensical usmc. YOU might not pay that much, but the demand is there.

Read this:

[quote]Even a simple and smart idea – like letting players get what they can for their autograph, their likeness, their appearance, and then have that money go into a trust fund for the day they graduate – has been shot down by the NCAA.

Why doesn’t the NCAA want players cashing in on their talent? Because they’re doing it.

As noted by ESPN’s Jay Bilas last week, all you had to do was go to the NCAA’s online shopping website, type in “Johnny Manziel,” and an image of his jersey would pop up, despite the NCAA’s caterwauling that players are not exploited at the NCAA register.

Busted.

So busted, in fact, that the day after the Bilas bombshell, the NCAA shut down the shopping site. Doesn’t matter. It’s too late. This is the smoking gun that Ed O’Bannon has been hoping for in his federal anti-trust lawsuit against the NCAA. So even though the NCAA won’t do the right thing, hopefully judges soon will.[/quote]

Why would the NCAA fight these things? Because they are the monopoly that wants to control it all. Don’t believe the shit they have been shoving down your throat for years. Everyone else is waking up to these things. It’s why the NCAA is losing. [/quote]

I guess we’ll see won’t we?

I find it pretty funny that Jay Bilas, who make a living off college athletes, is up in arms about the NCAA doing the same thing.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
^Point being there are, what, 48 other active players that have no commercials in MD. [/quote]

[quote]H factor wrote:
Signed memorabilia alone is worth thousands. [/quote]

For who? I’m not paying a $1,000 bucks for Brett Favre’s signature (my favorite player) let alone even Joe Flacco or some second stringer’s. Point being a few athletes per team might make some money. There are probably 2 UMD D1 athletes that might make a little bit of money.
[/quote]

This point is nonsensical usmc. YOU might not pay that much, but the demand is there.

Read this:

[quote]Even a simple and smart idea – like letting players get what they can for their autograph, their likeness, their appearance, and then have that money go into a trust fund for the day they graduate – has been shot down by the NCAA.

Why doesn’t the NCAA want players cashing in on their talent? Because they’re doing it.

As noted by ESPN’s Jay Bilas last week, all you had to do was go to the NCAA’s online shopping website, type in “Johnny Manziel,” and an image of his jersey would pop up, despite the NCAA’s caterwauling that players are not exploited at the NCAA register.

Busted.

So busted, in fact, that the day after the Bilas bombshell, the NCAA shut down the shopping site. Doesn’t matter. It’s too late. This is the smoking gun that Ed O’Bannon has been hoping for in his federal anti-trust lawsuit against the NCAA. So even though the NCAA won’t do the right thing, hopefully judges soon will.[/quote]

Why would the NCAA fight these things? Because they are the monopoly that wants to control it all. Don’t believe the shit they have been shoving down your throat for years. Everyone else is waking up to these things. It’s why the NCAA is losing. [/quote]

I guess we’ll see won’t we?

I find it pretty funny that Jay Bilas, who make a living off college athletes, is up in arms about the NCAA doing the same thing.
[/quote]

He makes a living off analyzing college athletes for a private FOR PROFIT company. The NCAA makes a living off convincing people they are interested in student athletes at a non profit institution with a monopoly on the college sports market.

He isn’t lying directly to people’s faces saying he doesn’t profit off things while snickering as people buy the number 2 Texas A&M jersey without the name on the back so they can say “well it isn’t Johnny football.”

And I doubt we will see. The NCAA just like any other corrupt institution will fight with all their power to maintain their corrupt power. As a small government conservative you should despise them, not defend them.

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:
Yeah you keep throwing out these numbers, but I don’t think you understand the college game much.

First off go to a big game. See how many jerseys are in the stands? Huge demand for jerseys. [/quote]
How many of those Jersey’s are new and represent a player on the field at that game?

[quote]H factor wrote:
A DINNER with Johnny football went for 20,000 dollars. Of course he didn’t see a dime of that.
[/quote]

This is one player. ONE. There are how many players on a college football roster?

[quote]H factor wrote:
DEMAND for college jerseys is huge. DEMAND for numbered T-shirts is huge. DEMAND for video games WAS huge (before the lawsuit). Signed memorabilia still is big and is often used at charity events. [/quote]

For a select few players.

[quote]H factor wrote:
You seriously doubt a lot of things, it’s a shame you will never be proven wrong because the NCAA doesn’t want things to change. They don’t want kids to get any money. More for them. [/quote]

Because I’m no where near as emotionally invested in the situation as you are. I think if took a step back you would see what I’m saying, but it’s clear you have blinders on here.

Johnny Football would make some money.

The star on every team would makes some money.

2-5/54 players per team would make peanuts and the rest would make zero. That is reality. No one is paying Stefon Diggs for an autograph, dinner, jersey, etc…
[/quote]

Lol, not emotionally invested? Hell you’ve posted as much as I have. The difference is that I have posted TONS of articles to back up what I’m saying and you’ve relied on your own words and saying things like 99.999% of X wouldn’t happen.

If you READ the articles you would see the pattern. Instead you say things like “well apparently the expenses are huge because they tell me they aren’t making anything.” [/quote]

Posting and being emotionally invested are two different things.

You’re articles talk about the top 20 teams or so, how about the rest of the Division 1 and even D2 & 3 schools that will be affected by change. How much profit does Bowling Green, Rice, or Delaware state make?

I did read your articles and I’ve read articles counter to them.

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:
^Point being there are, what, 48 other active players that have no commercials in MD. [/quote]

[quote]H factor wrote:
Signed memorabilia alone is worth thousands. [/quote]

For who? I’m not paying a $1,000 bucks for Brett Favre’s signature (my favorite player) let alone even Joe Flacco or some second stringer’s. Point being a few athletes per team might make some money. There are probably 2 UMD D1 athletes that might make a little bit of money.
[/quote]

This point is nonsensical usmc. YOU might not pay that much, but the demand is there.

Read this:

[quote]Even a simple and smart idea – like letting players get what they can for their autograph, their likeness, their appearance, and then have that money go into a trust fund for the day they graduate – has been shot down by the NCAA.

Why doesn’t the NCAA want players cashing in on their talent? Because they’re doing it.

As noted by ESPN’s Jay Bilas last week, all you had to do was go to the NCAA’s online shopping website, type in “Johnny Manziel,” and an image of his jersey would pop up, despite the NCAA’s caterwauling that players are not exploited at the NCAA register.

Busted.

So busted, in fact, that the day after the Bilas bombshell, the NCAA shut down the shopping site. Doesn’t matter. It’s too late. This is the smoking gun that Ed O’Bannon has been hoping for in his federal anti-trust lawsuit against the NCAA. So even though the NCAA won’t do the right thing, hopefully judges soon will.[/quote]

Why would the NCAA fight these things? Because they are the monopoly that wants to control it all. Don’t believe the shit they have been shoving down your throat for years. Everyone else is waking up to these things. It’s why the NCAA is losing. [/quote]

I guess we’ll see won’t we?

I find it pretty funny that Jay Bilas, who make a living off college athletes, is up in arms about the NCAA doing the same thing.
[/quote]

He makes a living off analyzing college athletes for a private FOR PROFIT company. The NCAA makes a living off convincing people they are interested in student athletes at a non profit institution with a monopoly on the college sports market.

He isn’t lying directly to people’s faces saying he doesn’t profit off things while snickering as people buy the number 2 Texas A&M jersey without the name on the back so they can say “well it isn’t Johnny football.” [/quote]

The NCAA makes money off college swimmers, lacrosse, girls softball, etc…?

I didn’t say he was lying, but he is a hypocrite.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

[quote]H factor wrote:
Yeah you keep throwing out these numbers, but I don’t think you understand the college game much.

First off go to a big game. See how many jerseys are in the stands? Huge demand for jerseys. [/quote]
How many of those Jersey’s are new and represent a player on the field at that game?

[quote]H factor wrote:
A DINNER with Johnny football went for 20,000 dollars. Of course he didn’t see a dime of that.
[/quote]

This is one player. ONE. There are how many players on a college football roster?

[quote]H factor wrote:
DEMAND for college jerseys is huge. DEMAND for numbered T-shirts is huge. DEMAND for video games WAS huge (before the lawsuit). Signed memorabilia still is big and is often used at charity events. [/quote]

For a select few players.

[quote]H factor wrote:
You seriously doubt a lot of things, it’s a shame you will never be proven wrong because the NCAA doesn’t want things to change. They don’t want kids to get any money. More for them. [/quote]

Because I’m no where near as emotionally invested in the situation as you are. I think if took a step back you would see what I’m saying, but it’s clear you have blinders on here.

Johnny Football would make some money.

The star on every team would makes some money.

2-5/54 players per team would make peanuts and the rest would make zero. That is reality. No one is paying Stefon Diggs for an autograph, dinner, jersey, etc…
[/quote]

Lol, not emotionally invested? Hell you’ve posted as much as I have. The difference is that I have posted TONS of articles to back up what I’m saying and you’ve relied on your own words and saying things like 99.999% of X wouldn’t happen.

If you READ the articles you would see the pattern. Instead you say things like “well apparently the expenses are huge because they tell me they aren’t making anything.” [/quote]

Posting and being emotionally invested are two different things.

You’re articles talk about the top 20 teams or so, how about the rest of the Division 1 and even D2 & 3 schools that will be affected by change. How much profit does Bowling Green, Rice, or Delaware state make?

I did read your articles and I’ve read articles counter to them. [/quote]

What does Bowling Green’s profit have to do with letting players make money off themselves? You said you were for that, yet you defend the status quo throughout this thread.

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[quote]usmccds423 wrote:

The NCAA makes money off college swimmers, lacrosse, girls softball, etc…?

I didn’t say he was lying, but he is a hypocrite. [/quote]

You can be rich even if some of the businesses you own aren’t profitable.

Luckily they have a couple of BILLION DOLLAR industries to offset some of those places where they aren’t as profitable.

Industries. Businesses. I’m not against either of these. Let’s just stop pretending it isn’t a business. Let’s quit pretending the student part actually matters in most instances. The NCAA wants you to buy those fairy tales. They want you to think they are just doing the best they can and trying to do the best for everyone. They are protecting their bottom line. And they are losing lawsuit after lawsuit because judges are seeing right through the nonsense they are peddling.

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[quote]H factor wrote:

[quote]ZJStrope wrote:

I did read every one of your articles. There are certainly things I agree with.

Ultimately the problem is, how do you ensure college athletes are not paid by the universities: either Directly or Indirectly?

You have agreed multiple times that the Universities shouldn’t pay athletes.

Ok good, I think we are all in agreement here.

So, how do you stop universities from indirectly paying athletes?

How do you stop a University from funneling money through a proper and legal channel and that channel then funnels that money to the athlete while skimming a little from the top as a fee?
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Wait I thought you were arguing that universities are already paying player with tuition.

The universities don’t need to do anything except for quit being hypocrites and selling all this stuff tied to their players and not giving the players an opportunity to make anything from it. [/quote]

So you completely ignore the concern?

I never argued that universities shouldn’t directly profit from an individual player. Fine and dandy with that.

You still need to address the concern as a I laid it out.

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I did read every one of your articles. There are certainly things I agree with.

Ultimately the problem is, how do you ensure college athletes are not paid by the universities: either Directly or Indirectly?

You have agreed multiple times that the Universities shouldn’t pay athletes.

Ok good, I think we are all in agreement here.

So, how do you stop universities from indirectly paying athletes?

How do you stop a University from funneling money through a proper and legal channel and that channel then funnels that money to the athlete while skimming a little from the top as a fee?
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Wait I thought you were arguing that universities are already paying player with tuition.

The universities don’t need to do anything except for quit being hypocrites and selling all this stuff tied to their players and not giving the players an opportunity to make anything from it. [/quote]

So you completely ignore the concern?

I never argued that universities shouldn’t directly profit from an individual player. Fine and dandy with that.

You still need to address the concern as a I laid it out.
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You don’t think universities aren’t already paying some players? They aren’t, but they are. They are by having big money come to the players in order to get them to a college. All this is hush hush, but happens in a system where you aren’t going to let the kids make money legally.

I think getting rid of dumbass regulations and rules fixes the problems you’re scared of instead of the black market style tactics that everyone uses because it’s “illegal.”

If you let kids make money off themselves (like everyone else in the world can) it would fix many of the problems that currently exist. What is the big fear really? That a 20 year old will profit a bit instead of just the NCAA?