[quote]Med Pro wrote:
The gear is expensive for Deca. Sus250 is $23 per week, not to bad but Deca is $138 per week!!!So I pay $161 total per week or $1610.00 for my 10 week cycle!!!
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That is ridiculous! I hope you at least broke out the K-Y before allowing yourself to be fucked!
BTW, thanks for posting the progress.
You must have a ton of money to blow on all those shit supps.
DAY 45:
6 weeks of cycle…
Nolvadex 20mg started 2weeks out to ending my cycle. Next week I’ll start HCG daily. Water based, fast absorbtion was the consideration for daily injection of 357iu (2500IU/week) hcg for 2 weeks. I’m tapering my Deca to 200mg and Sus250 to 250mg for my last 2 weeks.
Canadian knuckelheads… What’s up A…
No KY, Deca was found @ 2000mg for $40.00… not bad ahe? Shit Supps? Which one’s shit you fool?
You should try taking some of that money for gear and buy Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing.
Some of the grammer in your posts are just plain bad.
“357iu (2500IU/week) hcg for 2 weeks”
Have you considered using 250IU EOD all through the cycle so the testes stay operational instead of having to overdose them two wake them up? You would get 40 days per 5000IU.
Using high doses that can DR the LH receptors does not sound like a good way to cross over to natural production. And in some cases, when the testes have shrunk, they are not going to be back into production capacity in two weeks. AR has written to that concern as well.
I don’t use gear, so I don’t have a motive to understand the properties of all of those roids.
[quote]flabtoslab wrote:
You should try taking some of that money for gear and buy Mavis Beacon Teaches Typing.
Some of the grammer in your posts are just plain bad.[/quote]
Cheap Shot!!! If you think the OP is spending too much money for gear, state that fact. To ridicule someone for grammar is bullshit. There are not too many people that would take the time to post their progress, especially when gear is involved. Give the OP some credit.
I’m sorry Med Pro. Sorry you feel you need all that crap to make gains.
You might find later that your gains will not come naturally ANYMORE if you continue down this path.
Relying on the hugest stack of supps I’ve EVER seen, is shortsighted.
I’m not against gear or you using, but seems to me you rely on this more than proper nutrition and HARD WORK!
You should do something about your bloated look too.
Sorry to be negative, but I felt compelled to say this to you.
[quote]Rockscar wrote:
I’m sorry Med Pro. Sorry you feel you need all that crap to make gains.
You might find later that your gains will not come naturally ANYMORE if you continue down this path.
Relying on the hugest stack of supps I’ve EVER seen, is shortsighted.
I’m not against gear or you using, but seems to me you rely on this more than proper nutrition and HARD WORK!
You should do something about your bloated look too.
Sorry to be negative, but I felt compelled to say this to you.
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Worst post ever. What makes you think MEdPRo isn’t working hard? To comment on his bloated look is “shortsighted” -to coin a phrase. Maybe he was born that way…whats your excuse?
DAY 45:
Having started Nolvadex it seems I have a shorter fuse and get easily angery. I’m on my last 2 weeks of cycle and will start HCG 1 week out.
Ksman… You make a good point! I will probably inject daily HCG 250IU. dammm got to get me some 25G needles…
Rockscar… Theres a level of respect in your comments that I dig… Your opinion is considered… I don’t take everything pictured, I have tried different stuff but settled on some key essentials!!! This BTW is not a fluke fad plan… I have every intension of maintaining and growing.
Don’t be mistaken by thinking I am not working hard!!! I am a physco in the gym…I know there no secret in massing up… your right it takes VeRy hard work!!! I just happen to enjoy how much harder I CAN work on AAS!!! I eat and drink till I’m nauseated and it will take as much if not more during PCT’s! But I read… read when ever I can. Study… Im addicted to knowledge in bodybuilding.
Yeah Bro… The watery look Sux! I have no doubt it’s from the Sus250/estro effects… Nolvadex is starting to address the issue… I’m not cutting yet anyhow. I’m bulking. I have lasix which would help alot but don’t feel I need to go there yet.
I read that it’s ok to start cutting pre, during & post cycle… Any opinions??? The biggest issue for all post cycle is C O R T I S O L. I have much in my arsenal to challenge this so I feel cutting post cycle is ok.
Anyhow… thanks for the feedback!
[quote]Jimfound wrote:
Rockscar wrote:
I’m sorry Med Pro. Sorry you feel you need all that crap to make gains.
You might find later that your gains will not come naturally ANYMORE if you continue down this path.
Relying on the hugest stack of supps I’ve EVER seen, is shortsighted.
I’m not against gear or you using, but seems to me you rely on this more than proper nutrition and HARD WORK!
You should do something about your bloated look too.
Sorry to be negative, but I felt compelled to say this to you.
Worst post ever. What makes you think MEdPRo isn’t working hard? To comment on his bloated look is “shortsighted” -to coin a phrase. Maybe he was born that way…whats your excuse?
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with all due respect…he is very bloated/high bodyfat
Day 45:
No need to knock Rockstar… Dude was a skinny little man and bulked up a bit…(If you look at his pictures… Also looks like he’s someones dad) No ones perfect… But I tell you… Every day I’m out in public, I’m sickend at the people that have let themselves go & do nothing but complain about how fat and out of shape they are…
I can take a Neg comment about how I look. I guess if I was not doing anything about it… It might hurt. But I hope people would really want to help each other… Every day I have people tell me how big I look & I love to offer help in how they can better themselves…
I wouldnt start cutting till months after your cycle ends. Feed your body well with plenty of good foods and calories. Months later your body will have more adapted to its new size and your natural T levels should have returned back to a more normal level.
See Ya
Medpro took it right. I was not trying to flame, but give an opinion. Hell I’ve been bloated too and know what it looks like.
I’m glad to hear you don’t take all that stuff, but DAMN it’s a shitload!
DAY 56:
I’m off my cycle now for the second week & it’s going well for the most part. No depression, fatuige, loss in power or muscle mass. I am highly focused on CORTISOL levels staying in check! As far as I can tell, the tapering off technique helped.
I started Nolvadex 20mg and 250IU of HCG daily to restart my nuts. Saw Palmetto has kept DHT at bay throughout my cycle so Nolva was not needed earlier. Sus250 had little to no side effects.
I Supp heavily with C,E,A,B’s, no Caffeine which has helped with my PCT’s. PCT’s are going very wall so far!!!
Anyone have any experiance with human menopausal gonadotropin (hMG)??? I’m looking to get some.
Just down’d 184Grams of protein & 1140cals before going to the gym in in Hr. In 30 min I’ll take 20gms of L-Glutimine, My BCAA’s, Mega Liquid Mineral, enzyme, & Viatamins, Sub lingual B complex.
Post Workout, 20gms of L-Glutime, 80gms of protein & eat 1/2lb of turkey.
I am close to 400gms of protine a day on my workout days & 250 on non days.
I had a Very successful Cycle and will probably do again in 6mo!
[quote]Med Pro wrote:
DAY 56:
I’m off my cycle now for the second week & it’s going well for the most part. No depression, fatuige, loss in power or muscle mass. I am highly focused on CORTISOL levels staying in check! As far as I can tell, the tapering off technique helped.
I started Nolvadex 20mg and 250IU of HCG daily to restart my nuts. Saw Palmetto has kept DHT at bay throughout my cycle so Nolva was not needed earlier. Sus250 had little to no side effects.
I Supp heavily with C,E,A,B’s, no Caffeine which has helped with my PCT’s. PCT’s are going very wall so far!!!
Anyone have any experiance with human menopausal gonadotropin (hMG)??? I’m looking to get some.
Just down’d 184Grams of protein & 1140cals before going to the gym in in Hr. In 30 min I’ll take 20gms of L-Glutimine, My BCAA’s, Mega Liquid Mineral, enzyme, & Viatamins, Sub lingual B complex.
Post Workout, 20gms of L-Glutime, 80gms of protein & eat 1/2lb of turkey.
I am close to 400gms of protine a day on my workout days & 250 on non days.
I had a Very successful Cycle and will probably do again in 6mo!
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hey med pro, what are you using to keep your cortisol levels in check again?
thanks
hey Med Pro - great thread, intersting stuff - will have to read it properly some time - have kinda skimmed ove it, got to much uni work to do atm am very interested in post cycle recovery methods, so wil be great to see and learn what happens, from limited experience I would say that you’ll only start to notice negative after week 3, anyways thanks for da interesting thread and well done for stickin to your guns, and convictions whilst under fire
Alright man ive been reading your cycle and nutrition. Its good that you are trying to improve yourself, but you really need to do more researce on this stuff. You talk a lot about your protein but I havent seen anything on carbs. Carbs is what you want to use as energy (ATP) while your working out. Also you need carbs post workout to help push the protein to the muscle and get glucose levels back to normal and remember that taking in to much protein will turn into fat. I also read about the amount of gear you injected at a time. If I were you I would do a lot more research before you go on your next cycle. I hope you reached your goals for this cycle, I would hold off from cutting down right now. Let your body get used to being the size you are and your test levels back to normal. If you try to cut down you will lose some of the muscle you worked so hard for. Also you could try a cutting cycle the next time you go on.
Good luck man
[quote]Med Pro wrote:
DAY 41:[/quote]
15 LBS of muscle so far.
Weight 250LBS from 235lbs
BP 128/84 Labs normal thus far.
1)I may have missed it but what BF did you end up with and what was it pre-cycle?
2)Did your medical training shine some light on the BIOAVAILABILITY of the choice of supps you were packing?
I mean how quickly and maximally are the supplements absorbed, that too given the volume of other supps you were taking?
For example, no matter what Centrum or One-a-day tells us CLAY (yes clay) is the most readily absorbable form of calcium known to man. So much so that astronauts swear by it to prevent osteo.
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‘Too much’ protein will be excreted as urea. [/quote]
No man, the body turns protein into amino acids, then that is what the body uses to build muscle. If the body doesnt need the amount of protein taking in then the amino acids will be turned into glucose, fat, ketones, or cholesterol. That is way you dont want to take in more then your body needs.