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If you’re going to use Dbol, I wouldn’t use it to kickstart your cycle. I did this and I regret not waiting until the test had some time to kick in.

If I were you, I would run:

1-8 test E, 500mg/wk frontloaded (like bonez said)
6-11 Dbol 30mg day

Then run appropriate AI (and HCG if you want)

Start your PCT in week 11, the day after your last Dbol dose. This allows you to have a steroid in your system for the two weeks while the enanthate tapers off. On top of that, Dbol gives an ‘on top of the world’ feeling, so to speak, and when you drop it halfway thru the cycle, it can be a psychological hit.

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So dont front load? I thought the point was to increase serum test while the Test E kicked in? No?

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Who is that ^ question directed to?

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[quote]mephistopheles wrote:
Why are you doing a typical bodybuilding style cycle, while your goal is to maintain/improve olympic lifting performance? I assume that you have achieved 182.5 clean and jerk @ 94kg weightclass natually, which is very good.
A typical weightlifting PED program would consist

  1. low dose oral
  2. low dosage of testosterone and or other designer drugs
  3. HGH indefinitely

I think you can put up close to 220 kg clean and jerk in 5 year. If you run a proper drug program.

If you just want to maintain strength, then 5mg of dbol every day or 10mg of OT will do the job. I can hit new PRs if i just use 10mg of dbol for 10 days.On the other hand, you will probably feel nothing after 10 day into a test-e cycle, with roughly 1000mg of test-e (700mg test base) already injected.
I would recommend that you cycle between orals and testosterone back to back, stay on for about 9 months minimum out of a year. Come off AAS during winter for a couple of months, and have a break. Run HGH indefinitely, it is crucial to long term injury prevention.

I would recommend the following cycle.
Cyele A

Week 1-6
roughly 30mg of orals
10mg Dbol + 20mg Anavar or 30mg OT
Nolvadex 10mg ED (for lipid support)
HCG 1000IU per week, 3 injections
HGH 2mg/5-6IU 3x per week.
AI optional

Cycle B

Week 1-6
Testosterone Suspension 30mg-50 ED
HGH 2mg/5-6IU 3x per week
AI of choice

Cycle C

Week 1-X
Testosterone Suspension 30mg ED
Dromostanonlone Suspension 30-50mg ED
HGH 2mg/5-6IU 3x per week
AI optional, but probably not needed

Cycle A is a bridge cycle, the orals should be enough to maintain strength. HCG to get your sperm counts back up.
If you follow eastern bloc training system, then cycle B is your bread and butter intensification phase. Use cycle C during pre-contest prep, as it would further improve strength, body composition. But since you are in med school and not competing. You probably don’t need to do that. Just watch your diet and don’t gain too much weight. The availability of dromostanonlone suspension in Canada is pretty low anyway.

Try to limit your total drug usage for the whole year to 10000mg or below. I would say peak twice a year, even if you are not competing.

PS. some people respond better to orals than testosterone. So you can use more orals and less test, if suits you.

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So you wrote out a year long competition plan for someone who’s not competeing anymore looking to do a FIRST CYCLE ?

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that question was for rrjc. He recommended doing the dbol from wk6-11 rather than to frontload. Whats your opinion, i’ve only read about it as a front load.

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Using dbol in the beginning is not a frontload. Using dbol in the beginning will do nothing for your T levels.

Reread the post I made earlier and frontloading and kickstarting.

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Hold on… Dbol is a frontload if taken for the first 4 weeks, and it acts to elevate and stabilize serum androgens and counter the customary delay in peak of traditional injectable test. Am I wrong?
The terminology I thought was a kickstart referred to a loading dose to start the Test.

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searching more, it seems that the terms are being used kind of nonsensically. Regardless, would dbol for wks 1-4 be better?

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Alright for now lets leave the terms aside. They’re just words afterall.

Using dbol in the beginning of a cycle is done by those using medium-long esters (enanthate-‘sustanon’ esters) because those esters take a few weeks to build up. While they are building up the user rarely feels muscle building effects of the testosterone. Effects like libido increase, oily skin, energy level increase are usually felt weeks earlier than gym strength and tissue building.

The dbol is extremely fast acting. Some see strength increases just a few hours after a dose is taken. The dbol is used to enhance gym performance while the testosterone is taking time to build up and show effects.

I have done this in the past but do not do it anymore. I prefer to take advantage of the synergy to be had when using the dbol at the same time the testosterone is ‘up and running’. For me that is mid-cycle.

Frontloading testosterone (or any drug with a half life of a few days) is done to achieve peak levels of the drug from day 1. For example if someone is running 500mg of Test E per week without a frontload he will inject 250mg on day one. 3.5 days later he will inject another 250mg. Even on that second injection day levels will not be at 500mg. It takes a number of weeks for blood levels to stabilize at 500mg.

By frontloading that person can achieve peak blood levels from day 1. That does not mean that gym performance and muscle building will be the same as it will be in week 5-8 but it avoids that first week of low(er) levels.

Back to the dbol. Using dbol in the first 4 weeks will have no effects on the testosterone. It will not help get the levels of testosterone up any quicker. Sure the level of androgens will be raised but that doesn’t really make it optimal. In my experience frontloading the testosterone works well. Using dbol the first 4 weeks also works but there are much better ways to use it. Frontloading avoids the delay in peak blood levels.

Look at the last line of your most recent post. A ‘loading dose’ of test at the beginning of a cycle is a frontload. That makes sense I hope. “Kickstart” is used to describe the use of a drug while a different drug is taking time to ‘kick in’.

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K. That makes sense, we just had our terms mixed up. I will load the test e and leave dianabol until the last 4 weeks. Make use of a little synergy. Thanks