I was gonna run test for 12 weeks but got cut short due to I was waiting on 1 more bottle and the guy got “put away” soo I had to do 8 weeks which sucks and I won’t do another cycle till I have all my bottles next time!
BUT!!
Got great result, went from 177 to 197. Some could be water weight but we will see. Took hCG last 2 weeks but will take it probably 4 weeks in on my next cycle. And I’ll start nolva in 1 week!
Next cycle is like to run either
500-600 rest E every week
300 tren
And might throw in mast but I’d like to hear if throwing in mast is worth it. My friend said it’s a fun little option but definitely not necessary for my 2nd cycle!
Thoughts would be great!
Ok when did you stop pinning test and what ester was it? Being that you have a bottle lasting four weeks I can’t figure out if it is enanthate/cypionate or propionate.
If it was enanthate/cypionate then you need to wait AT LEAST two weeks from last pinning before starting Nolvadex. I usually split my dose into two equal shots Sunday and Wednesday. If my last shot is Wednesday I start my two week count the following Sunday that way I can let the build up of enanthate/cypionate disapate more before I start PCT. I assume you know this but without stating a consise time line I felt I should make the point just in case.
For your second cycle you have TREN?!?!?!? Whomever told you to do that is under edjucated. You should not even think about tren until five cycle really 8-10. It’s just it’s own beast and a whole other world. Masteron is great I love it but really it’s main point doesn’t show unless you are very low body fat. I don’t know your body fat but of you arnt well under ten precent do something else. You would be waisting it otherwise. It is a more exotic compound and more costly so there is a concern of you paying for masteron but getting some other DHT based compound. It’s harder to substitute something for masteron enanthate because the only other DHT compound attached to enanthate is primo and that is very costly. They won’t substitute something more expensive for it. If you are looking at the masteron propionate ester then they could substitute winstrol. They are both DHT and without prior experience you wouldn’t know the difference. I am probably being a little too cautious with my concerns of substitions for masteron but I just had a friend get ripped off. He actually helped me find a source when I started and has probably 5-8 years more experience than myself but he wanted to try a new domestic source because of a time crunch.
Here is a better more responsible list of compounds to add to test for your first stack instead of TREN. Before I list them I think a stack should be held until maybe 3rd if not 4th cycle. You really should have your recovery/PCT from just testosterone down to a science before you add in another compound to complicate matters.
EQ/equipoise aka boldenone, it can build or cut, a wonderful dual purpose compound and it test based so you should have extra AI on hand before you start.
Deca, I won’t touch it but so many people use it with no issues. So at least read up on it. It is a 19-nor that can aromatize into estrogen, extra AI will be needed.
Turinabol, oral dry test based so no extra AI needed. Go read up it has a wonderful history and it has scientific research proving steroids have permanent affect on strength.
Winstrol, DHT based , doesn’t aromatize, good hardener. Rarely faked and affordable. Stick to oral until you know your source is good because water suspension leads to infection.
Dbol, it oral but very wet so get lots of extra AI before you use it. Will definitely help you get pounds. Testosterone based. Also rarely faked.
Anavar is DHT based and usually well tolerated but due to it’s cost it is usually faked with a mix of dbol and winstrol. If you can find it and afford it then it is an excellent add in at the end of a cycle to break through a plateau.
Just stay away from more exotic stuff until you are more knowledgeable so you don’t either waist it or get ripped off. Not trying to talk shit it’s just the nature of this beast and we all know more today than the day we decided to go down this road. That guy in the gym selling it to you is only trying to make money so edjucate yourself and never stop trying to learn.
I really think EQ would be a good first stack if you don’t want to deal with toxic orals. It is just a wonderful dual purpose compound. When they fake primo they tend to use a low dose concentration of EQ.
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Wow this was very helpful thank you! And yeah no one really told me to take tren I just figured it would be a nice thing to try next! But I’ll stay away from it for now!
And yeah my last pin was last Saturday so I’m a little over a week with my past pin. So if I go from what you suggest I should take my nolva this up coming Tuesday so it’ll be about 2 weeks and a few days!
But yes it was enanthate and I knew it was 2 weeks after!
EQ and Deca would be a good add so maybe I’ll do that with my Test on my next cycle! Also I will be taking hCG too but I don’t really get how to dose that so that is something I need to learn and with this last cycle, I did not take an AI and I was perfectly fine but when I add more stuff I will be taking it!
If I’m doing 600 test what would you recommend for dosing on EQ or Deca? (If it matters the test I get is Test E 300 )
Sorry if I didn’t respond to something there was a lot to read and respond to!
With HGC there are two methods commonly used. First is just blast it the two weeks or so right before PCT. That is the old school method. The new and current method is to use it throughout the cycle to prevent shutdown. I don’t know much about dosage but I believe it is usually recommended between 250-500 iu’s per week. Hopefully someone with experience will chime in on the dosage protocol.
Your stated test level would be 600 mg a week. With Deca they usually say a two to one ratio in regards to test. So that would be 300 mgs of Deca per week. However 300 is a bit low so I think going to 400 would be okay. I myself have never used it. I am just too worried that I will be one of those guys who gets long term shutdown from it. It is also has progestenic action I think in body. It is classified as a progesterone which is the other feminine hormone we have to take action against when cycling. That means it has its own kind of gyno that basic AIs will not be able to combat. You will need to read up on cabergoline pramipexole and bromocriptine. All three help with the progesterone side effects. Even if you do have one of those one hand when using Deca (I do recommend you have one) you should also take 600 mgs a day of vitamin B6. It helps to lower progesterone. The deconate ester has a half life of about 14.5 days I believe so I would run it at least 12 weeks. You will also need to wait at least one complete half life from your last pin before you PCT. I would recommend at 3 weeks. Some guys find recovery from Deca a little easier if they run their test shots two weeks past their Deca shots. If you do that just wait the two weeks or so to start PCT
When it comes to EQ/equipoise/boldenone I LOVE the stuff. It’s a modification of testosterone and usually well tolerated. Some do get anxiety and it definitely helps me keep a good appetite. For your first few runs of it I think 400 mgs a week should be your starting point. Some guys recommend more but I know I had great results using that dosage. The one thing I wish I did differently on my first few runs was the lenght. With the undeconate ester it’s half life is 16 days I think. It will take a while to “kick in.” I would recommend at least 12 weeks of it and you could probably push that to 15 depending on how well you recover from just testosterone cycles. The longer your on the harder it is to recover. I would also recommend waiting the three weeks after pinning EQ to start PCT. You could also run test a week or so past the EQ but it isn’t as significant as with Deca.
Now the question is which one would you get more out of Deca at 400 or EQ at 400, both with 600 of test? Deca is a little bit more anabolic but EQ doesn’t have all the worrisome side effects. EQ will probably leave you a little more defined if you eat the exact same stuff but with it’s appetite stimulation it might be easier to gain. That is if you ever have issues making yourself eat. They both end up creating very similar cycles when gaining even though they are very different compounds. (Slow"er" steady quality gains) Go read up on the Androgenic to anabolic ratios.
I personally am just too worried to try Deca. I will admit I am about to finally try NPP which is “Deca” but with a much shorter ester attached. Deca is just roulette in a nice little 10cc bottle. It is the only AAS with its name attached to a semi permanent ED problem called “Deca dick.” Supposedly if you run a DHT with Deca it helps combat the Deca dick but then you are running three compounds on your first stack. I can’t in good conscience recommend that in any way.
I have a modest proposal. If you’re going to run test/EQ/deca all at once you really want to be mindful of the dosage of each and the effect it will have on e2. Those are three aromatizing substances and you could easily lose control of your e2. Can it be done safely? Sure. I bet a lot of guys have done it and had amazing results. But I would say add one compound at a time and see what your body responds to, positively and negatively.
With that in mind, perhaps run your test lower, like TRT level, and let the EQ do the heavy lifting. So test at something like 200 and EQ at 400-600 (though now_i_care is right that you can get results from just 400mg). And run it long. Like 16-20 weeks.
Alternatively you can run test/EQ both at 400mg and I’m sure you’d be happy with the results. But I’ve become more and more convinced by the science that lower doses can be very effective if run the right way.
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Iron, after seeing what you wrote I re-read his post, good catch. I really hope he wasn’t planning on all three.
No I definitely wasn’t thinking all 3 at all! I was gonna do test and Deca or test and EQ just wanted to see which one was recommended most and what people would run the doses at!
I did find another source that will send them all at once which is what should be normal you would think 
so that’s a good note!
But yeah I’ll probably end up doing test 600 and EQ at 400 from the sounds of it and do it for at least 12 weeks and I still don’t know if I wanna do hCG the whole time or if I wanna do it my last 2 weeks… I feel like either way is right so I’m not to worried about that!
Something I forgot to include with the HCG. Get extra Nolvadex you might end up needing it when on the HCG. Somehow the HCG makes you aromatize your testosterone no matter how much AI you take. I think I have sceen either Iron or one of the other regulars explain how and why it does it. To reiterate even if you take all the AI in the world if you take HCG you will still have estrogen being produced in your body, idk how much but it could be enough to start gyno. The only way to deal with it in that situation that I know of is a SERM like Nolvadex.
Figured you needed to know to order extra Nolvadex.
As far as sources sending stuff in multiple packages, well just depends. Provided you are talking about a one cycle sized personal order then yes they should but unfortunately they are always having to re-stock. Look at it this way, if they have to restock chances are their stuff is popular for a reason. I use to think they would hold something out of an order then just say “we can send another package through customs for you or just make good on the next time you order from us” so that you have to come back. But now I just think a quality source is going to have stocking issues. I found a source that didn’t have stocking issues and I went back to the guys that had the issues. Then I thought maybe it’s the time of year I order, people getting stuff lined out in advance of their swimsuit or competition. Nope a good source is popular for a reason and people cycle at all times, just nature of the beast.
The lesson; get it lined out with about a month or two cusion before you plan to start. That allows time to restock and send it… Usually.
Why don’t you just use higher dosages of testosterone? I don’t understand the desire to add compounds when the intention isn’t to be directly stage ready. I got up to 250 lean with just testosterone. I’m on a test deca cycle currently (see my log) and tbh I don’t notice any difference from when I run all test cycles. Keep it simple.
Thanks man I’ll actually keep that in mind! Maybe just keep doing test till I notice the progress slows down and then start adding stuff then! What did you run your test only cycles at?
What I can’t understand is why people tend to start off using high doses. There have been magnitude of clinical trials showing 300mg of test/week will give tremendous accruation of lean mass. One study even showed testosterone at a dose of 3.5mg/kg gave significant gains in lean muscle mass and strength. I can personally say I found that I gained lean mass at a faster rate on a mere 210mg/wk compared to 110mg/wk. There is a plethora of anecdotal evidence stating that one can grow just fine off a mere 250mg/wk for their first cycle. By anecdotal I mean on forums many guys claim they gained a solid 5-10lbs. Whether this will work for anyone? No, however I don’t believe people on their first cycle should be jumping to 500-1000 mg/week.
The way I see it is, if one can get gains on lower dosages (and probably minimising any potential harm done due to lower doses) do it while you still can, to keep attaining new lean mass one will have to keep increasing the dose over time, do you really want to be that guy who is running 1-1.5G of gear for his second or third cycle? I sure as shit don’t. Bodybuilding is intended to be a marathon, not a sprint, therefore I don’t understand what the whole big thing about quick massive gainz is all about. For my first cycle I’m going to merely run 250mg test/wk for like 12 weeks and cut down to single digit body fat, if I can maintain current weight and be 5,5 155-160lbs at 8 percent body fat I’d call that a win. Next cycle 300-350mg etc . This way a few years down the line I’m not blasting insane dosages, I believe one can get quite far on lower dosages. That being said if you are like… 230-250lbs lean you probably need higher dosages. This is a statement for people who are smaller (like me) or individuals who aren’t at their genetic limit yet
500-600mg/test per week
300mg trenbologne sandwiches
300mg on paper is equivalent to 1500mg of test/wk…
I’ve heard this from veterans on plenty of occasions. I cant speak from experience but I know this is the approach I’m going take. I’m currently on trt at 100 mg of test cyp a week. Just my trt dose gave me incredible strength improvement. Not necessarily size but way way stronger. My first blast which I’m hoping to start in the next 4 weeks or so I’m gonna do test only at 300 mg per week. I’m not getting ready for a show or anything like that so im in no rush. I’m absolutely sure I’ll see size and strength at 300 mg per week.
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This is intelligent. Blast at 300 then back to 100. Then blast at 400 then back to 100-125. Small jumps. @alldayeveryday
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You def will, and in the long run you’ll probably make more gains off lower doses compared to the individuals who start off blasting like 500mg test, 300mg deca and 50mg dbol (yea, some guys actually do that their first time).
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I’m ready to get going I just need to get my next appointment with the endocrinologist out of the way. Then I’ve got 6 months to play before next bloodwork.