[quote]Ericka wrote:
First of all I wear a thong. So, my panties are not in a bunch. … I am going to squat over 500 at nationals. That will be a PR over 200lbs in just over 1 years time. [/quote]
wow.
[quote]TTewell342 wrote:
mozhne wrote:
Awesome Bench. If these guys are hitting 1000 and close to it with shirts, what can they do raw? 715 is incredible strength. A 1000 lb bencher with a shirt has to be close to that raw. Do shirts give 300 lbs.??? I got 75-100 lbs from a squat suit, never tried a bench shirt but I saw guys get 50 to 75 lbs. from one. These days I hear the carry over is even higher, but 300 lbs.? So why don’t the 1000 lb benchers just hit a raw meet and blow away all the records?
Barry
for what reason?? Raw records really don’t mean much in the world of powerlifting. Gene Rychlak probably could bench 715 + raw but why would he want to do it? He would probably rip his pec off the bone. Raw lifts are pretty dangerous and just don’t mean as much.
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If it would rip his pec off the bone, then I would think that means he can’t bench that raw.
[quote]Joe Weider wrote:
Ericka wrote:
First of all I wear a thong. So, my panties are not in a bunch. … I am going to squat over 500 at nationals. That will be a PR over 200lbs in just over 1 years time.
wow.
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I agree - I love thongs…
[quote]basementD wrote:
One doesn’t need this experience to have an opinion, an opinion isn’t a fact, just one’s individual view on something.
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Yes, this is true. I guess a more cutting example would be a Klan member’s opinion on black people - it’s completely scientifically unfounded and has nothing to do with truth, just like a lot of people who comment on gear. There is a reason we listen to some people’s opinions and not others.
Figured I would chime in…
I am really surprised to see people bashing raw benching. I mean, what the hell? And, yes, they usually can’t bench a thousand with a shirt, but they are completely different lifts.
Jack Reape wrote an article about a month back, outlining the differences; he said that gear benching is less about chest and more about bicep and lat strength.
Yeah, Mendelson can’t get a thousand, but I would be surprised if Gene could get 715 raw. I just don’t understand why people are roasting on raw benchers…
[quote]Mr. Bear wrote:
Figured I would chime in…
I am really surprised to see people bashing raw benching. I mean, what the hell? And, yes, they usually can’t bench a thousand with a shirt, but they are completely different lifts.
Jack Reape wrote an article about a month back, outlining the differences; he said that gear benching is less about chest and more about bicep and lat strength.
Yeah, Mendelson can’t get a thousand, but I would be surprised if Gene could get 715 raw. I just don’t understand why people are roasting on raw benchers…[/quote]
Hopefully this stays on more of the Holy Crap good effort well done side of things, more so than starting another argument. But to be honest, i think Mendelson can hit a grand, hes done 875 shirted as i stated, which at the time was the world record. Hes had several attempts at 900+ (yes he failed but this isnt saying hes done it already, its saying i think he can in the future) and there is a video on his site of him pushing 1000, true this had a crazy spotter helping him and it was a gym lift. But all im saying is that if there is anyone in this world capable of pushing a grand besides rychlak, its mendelson (and kennelly, he’s a freak too). And yea, anyone bashing a 715 raw bench…well, i just dont know
This was the point I was trying to make. It is getting crazy what people are doing. I have seen people take an hour or more to squeeze into two shirts and bench 500 lbs. These are not small guys either. All I am saying is that a ton of hard work can get it done without a ton of gear. I know this to be true because I have done it myself as well as many of you here. This was meant for those thinking they needed this stuff to make themselves feel better about themselves. This shit does not happen overnight. You cant get it from a shirt or squat suit.
Yes Erika, you are certainly qualified to tell me whatever you like. That is my bad. Congrats on the weight your moving. That is extremly impressive. I applaud you. I did not mean to offend you, if I did I appologize. I hope you understand my point of view. I only wanted people to know that to get results you have to do the time.
RickJames, Mr. Knight in Shining Armor,
Relax Kid!!!
[quote] Then why’d you post something so narrowminded before?
I was only giving my opinion, but once again, someone believes it necessary to become offended by ones mere opinion.[/quote]
Need I say more than I already said or that you felt necessary to quote. I think most of the people on here understand. Thanks for quoting me though, you proved my point.
Nice!!! Compare a bench shirt opinion with an opinion on the Holocaust, I wander how many people you offended with this? Brilliant comment, you should be proud of yourself.
Definitions:
NARROWMINDED; see comments by RickJames…
OPINION; see comments by everyone else…
I did not think my original comments were inflamatory, that is not what I tried to convey. Also, I have been reading posts long enough to realize people would not respond with puss and greens, but it would have been nice.
[quote] I stated that if one competes where others use them, then by all means, to keep up sometimes you must. I do not believe in them myself, that is my opinion.
You also stated that it would be better off for your psyche. [/quote]
You are certainly right, I did. And, what is your point?
I have used them in competion in high school. I now bench 430 raw and that means much more to me than a 375 that I had in high school. I have gone from 350 to 430 in about 4 months time. I have documented proof if you need it.
Maybe I did, but I certainly dont think she needs you to come to her rescue. I think she handled herself nicely, and I am impressed by her accomplishments. But I need not explain myself you the likes of you.
I will do that, and when you quit stalking her, get back to us. Oh yeah, and what is wrong with benching in your basement? Is it your OPINION that benching in ones basement is inferior to benching at Bally’s. I have no choice, my Mom always said that I dont play nice with others. So I guess I am stuck in the basement.
[quote] You’re getting pretty wound up too, challenging a woman to out-bench you and everything. Big man on the internet.
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I am not sure, but I do not think I challenged her to out-bench me. I could be wrong, but let me read my original post again. OK, Im done, no I didnt. But you can read it again just to be sure.
Once again, my point was (to anyone that values an opinion) that people starting out should not use gear if avoidable. You will feel better about your lifts if you are raw. This does not apply for competative lifters, only those starting out and may be confused. They see that people are moving tons of weight with all this gear and that seems cool, but it does not work that way and should refrain.
By the way RJ, dont feel like you have to come to the rescue of every woman on the net, I think she did a fine job of putting me in my place.
I am done, punching out people. My original post was meant to be somewhat humorous, but holy shit, did it take a wrong turn.
[quote]Massif wrote:
I think it is an absolute shame that this thread has gone from celebrating one man’s WORLD RECORD BREAKING BENCH PRESS, to the same old arguement about gear vs no gear.
To all the non-gear freaks - Please shut the fuck up
To all the gear freaks - Please shut the fuck up
To anybody who would like to say “Holy shit, that is an awesome effort. Well done”, please speak up.
PS Holy shit, that is an awesome effort. Well done[/quote]
Repeat until flames have gone out…
Turbo is right, how about bouncing the barbell off a tire for the 500 pound bicep curl record. Wait, how about trampolines for high jump records. Hey you should be able to ride a bike in the Boston Marathon as well. A bike makes you travel faster right? Kinda like how a bench shirt makes you lift heavier… Raw strength is all that matters. you sure thats a thong and not a shrimp boat net?
[quote]theribbler wrote:
Turbo is right, how about bouncing the barbell off a tire for the 500 pound bicep curl record. Wait, how about trampolines for high jump records. Hey you should be able to ride a bike in the Boston Marathon as well. A bike makes you travel faster right? Kinda like how a bench shirt makes you lift heavier… Raw strength is all that matters. you sure thats a thong and not a shrimp boat net? [/quote]
you are a dumber fuckwit than turbo is
[quote]RickJames wrote:
basementD wrote:
One doesn’t need this experience to have an opinion, an opinion isn’t a fact, just one’s individual view on something.
Yes, this is true. I guess a more cutting example would be a Klan member’s opinion on black people - it’s completely scientifically unfounded and has nothing to do with truth, just like a lot of people who comment on gear. There is a reason we listen to some people’s opinions and not others. [/quote]
Rick,
I hear you bro. The bottom line is you and other lifters know way more about gear than me. Hell I have never even seen gear except for in magazines.
I respect all the strong guys and gals out there that lift whether raw or with gear.
[quote]Massif wrote:
I think it is an absolute shame that this thread has gone from celebrating one man’s WORLD RECORD BREAKING BENCH PRESS, to the same old arguement about gear vs no gear.
To all the non-gear freaks - Please shut the fuck up
To all the gear freaks - Please shut the fuck up
To anybody who would like to say “Holy shit, that is an awesome effort. Well done”, please speak up.
PS Holy shit, that is an awesome effort. Well done[/quote]
Thank you for making me realize that I was part of this problem too!
Me shutting the fuck up about gear vs. no gear
My bad.
Congratulations on the record! Amazing lift, and hats off to him for all of his hard work and dedication.
[quote]turbo43 wrote:
I was only giving my opinion, but once again, someone believes it necessary to become offended by ones mere opinion.[/quote]
Opinions can be offensive, disrespectful, favorable, etc. The right to give one’s opinion does not mean that their opinion is of any value, just that one can express it. Realize that when you post something on the internet, any halfwit troll such as myself can respond with whatever opinion we have.
I think most of the people on here understand that you tried to act like a tough guy to a woman on the internet. I thought you said you were only giving your opinion, but you also had some kind of point to get across. Any point you may have had was lost in the way you tried to convey it. Being a dick to those you’re trying to change the minds of is not the way to do it.
You, my friend, are the one that purported that all opinions were equal by saying that we should not have negative reactions to yours. Unfortunately, you missed the point.
The crowd you directed them too (you said you were trying to get a point across) didn’t agree. Just because you meant to say this or that does not mean in came out in such a manner.
Why would one use gear if they were not competing outside of safety/support (think belt, wraps, etc.)? Gear is used for competing, so I don’t understand where you opinion on the use of gear outside of competition is relevant to anything.
So I’m not allowed to respond to something posted on a public forum because you directed it at a friend of mine (or anyone in general)? Please. Stop being such a frickin’ child.
Isn’t that what you just spent a whole post doing?
I said she was going to do a national level meet and that you bench in your basement. What is different about these two activities? At one, you have judges making you conform to certain rules, you have to lift at your specified time, there is stiff competition, and you’re putting yourself on the line in front of others. In your basement, there is no need to conform to rules or accountability for not doing so and there is no pressure to perform or do better than anybody else. If you’re so concerned about the accuracy of bench numbers being reported, why don’t you compete somewhere to ensure that you are following the rules and that you can demonstrate strength anywhere besides your basement?
Just pointing out another place where you’re trying to express the fact that all opinions have value.
That’s not just an opinion - you are making your own prediction about future events that history does not support you in. That’s like me saying that it’s my opinion that if you eat bananas you’ll get cancer. I guess I can have that “opinion”, but it’s no more than a mental hand job.
Who here is advocating gear for non-competitive lifters? Thanks for the non-sequitir.
I can respond to whoever the hell I want to. Get over it. You’ll be okay.
I think they have senses of humor on ebay if you’re interested.
[quote]turbo43 wrote:
you came off like a tool in the post Ericka responded to.
Maybe I did, but I certainly dont think she needs you to come to her rescue. I think she handled herself nicely, and I am impressed by her accomplishments. But I need not explain myself you the likes of you.
She’s going to try to total elite at a national meet in June. WTF are you going to do besides bench in your basement? When you have something comparable to her accomplishments, get back to us.
I will do that, and when you quit stalking her, get back to us. Oh yeah, and what is wrong with benching in your basement? Is it your OPINION that benching in ones basement is inferior to benching at Bally’s. I have no choice, my Mom always said that I dont play nice with others. So I guess I am stuck in the basement.
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He’s not a stalker. He’s actually a very good friend of mine. Oh, and neither of us trains at bally’s FYI. Rick actually trains with several of the strongest men on the planet and I have posted many pics of my crew and gym on the Diablo Barbell photo thread. These places are a far cry from mommy’s basement or the neon lights and cardio machines at Ballys.
http://images.t-nation.com/forum_images/./1/.1117116250000.BAScotGene_jpg.jpg
can’t we all just get along?
Cycomyco,
I do wear a bench shirt. If you would read prior posts to this, instead of interjecting into a discussion, you would realize that I DO WEAR EQUIPMENT. I wear it because the federation that has the drug-testing policy with which I am most in agreement, allows single ply equipment. Others compete with it and I would be at a serious disadvantage without it. Being a gear user, I can say that sure a bench shirt may prevent a rotator cuff tear; however, when it rips, your rotator cuff may tear, and the thousands of dollars spent reconstructing your face will not be pleasant. I am also a MD/PhD student, so I think I have some credibility when discussing injured conditions.
If benchpressing with a shirt is like motocycle racing, then the name of the sport needs to change. In your analogy of motorcycling vs. bicycling, I guarantee if you referred to motorcycling as bicycling, the bicyclists would be angry. As I have said before, the sport of bicycling, has included in its name, the implement of competition.
“If you dislike equipment that much, why dont you join a fed, get involved, be elected to power and do fucking something about it.? or is sitting on your ass like a weak little gimp too hard already?”
Cycomico, I AM THE MEMBER OF A FEDERATION. I COMPETE IN EQUIPPED POWERLIFTING. Are you illiterate? In the post you reference from I wrote:
“I guarantee when I get my knees wrapped at contest, the pressure from my knee wraps ramming my knee caps into my femur is NOT heathy/safe.” Did you miss the part about “WRAPPED AT CONTEST”? Context clues from that sentence should tell you that I compete. I have competed for the last 9 years.
I already know that each federation has its own set of rule. I have chosen mine as such. The best competition is in geared lifting. That’s why I lift in a federation that allows gear. I just believe that the sport can be a purer measure of the squat, benchpress, and deadlift.
-beef
[quote]beefcakemdphd wrote:
If you would read prior posts to this, instead of interjecting into a discussion, you would realize that I DO WEAR EQUIPMENT. [/quote]
So someone is not allowed to comment on an open forum? obviously you think your comments are above reproach?
You said they are not for safety, where as the base level they are. maybe if you read my reply, you wouldnt have bothered with this?
[quote]Being a gear user, I can say that sure a bench shirt may prevent a rotator cuff tear; however, when it rips, your rotator cuff may tear, and the thousands of dollars spent reconstructing your face will not be pleasant. I am also a MD/PhD student, so I think I have some credibility when discussing injured conditions.
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Wow, a MDphd student, that makes me all warm inside. In a total of 16 years of competing, I have seen 3 shirts rip (full rip during a lift, not just a pissy run).
If the shirted lifting is incraesing risk, where are all these injuries from extreme shirted lifting?
One of the countries best SHW juniors just suffered a pec tear, when lifting raw.
this is where different federations come into play.
origonally classified as motorised bicycles. Shirted benching. Within motorcycle racing there is a multitude of different capacities and different styles. All are classed as motorcycle racing, but have different sporting bodies and utilize different names. WPO bench press records are seperate from IPF from APF and IPA.
You cannot compare superbikes to motogp, diffrent things. You cannot compare IPF to WPO, different things altho the names of the lifts are teh same. If you dont like it, change it.
Yes, anmd the sport of bicycling has ustilized modern contruction abilities to create a bicycle that is much faster than was previously available, without the athletes having to perform at any greater level.
[quote]Cycomico, I AM THE MEMBER OF A FEDERATION. I COMPETE IN EQUIPPED POWERLIFTING. Are you illiterate? In the post you reference from I wrote:
“I guarantee when I get my knees wrapped at contest, the pressure from my knee wraps ramming my knee caps into my femur is NOT heathy/safe.” Did you miss the part about “WRAPPED AT CONTEST”? Context clues from that sentence should tell you that I compete. I have competed for the last 9 years. [/quote]
I wrap my knees at a contest? yes that explains your entire lifes stories. I have also seen wrapped knees at strongman competition, does that mean you competed in strong man? maybe wrapping your knees means your involved in the federation, becomming an executive or maybe even a ref, because we all know refs wrap their knees as well. maybe wrapping your knees means you went to teh AGM and voted on various issues relating to your federation, maybe it even means that you are president of your association, or even its local chapter, becuase hey, you had your knees wrapped at a competition.
[quote]That’s why I lift in a federation that allows gear. I just believe that the sport can be a purer measure of the squat, benchpress, and deadlift.
-beef
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I lift equipped and unequipped. I dominate rickjames raw, but he dominates me equipped. Raw is all well adn good, but it wont change anything in powerlifting. The strong will still be the strong, and the weak will still be the weak. Outsiders will still look on with stupid looks on their faces. Nobody extra will come to the sport. Very few records will ever improve. Without improvement the sport goes nowhere. Gear offers taht, and also injects an absolute truckload of money into the sport (who would sponser a raw lifter? not inzer or titan or metal or crain thats for fucking sure).
hell I dont like the extremes of the gear, but I do respect the hell outta the lifters who are doing these lifts.
I also dont see the equipment as the evil of the sport. I see the retards on the internet bitching about every fucking little thing being the cancer that will choke the sport.
“One of the countries best SHW juniors just suffered a pec tear, when lifting raw.”
Do you know if he would have not torn his pec had he worn a bench shirt? No you don’t.
Pec tears do happen with bench shirts. I’ve seen it.
A squat suit and knee wraps allows one to handle more weight than they could squat without the equipment. Hence, other supporting structures that may not receive support can potentially become a weak link.
I’ve lost my balance on squats because I’ve had my knees wrapped so tight I lost sensation in my lower legs.
I’ve seen lost bench presses because the bar fell out of a lifters hands because his hands were numb.
I fell out of the groove of my bench shirt before and almost had the bar smash my face; luckily the spotter caught it.
I am not taking away from any lifter’s accomplishments, geared or ungeared. I am merely stating my wishes and preferences for the sport. Every lifter has every right to choose how and where they wish to lift.
-beef
Hey everyone, look how far I can piss…
By the way that lift is amazing. My body would disintegrate under that bar.
V