New Guy w/ AD Questions

My delts aint as good as I need them to be. I should use your routine…as your delts look great!

I am however plannning a spec program for each muscle group after I finish cutting. Phase 1 Chest, Phase 2 Back, Phase 3 Shoulders, Phase 4 Arms.

Thats the plan…this is using HSS-100 spec programs btw. I wont do a legs spec workout, cuz thankfully my legs develope well from regular work. Even my back and arms come up well from regular work.

My chest and delts are definately what need some spec work. I did however makes some nice gains during my recent mass phase…but still need improvement.

GJ

tight, what’s up man? Things are looking good, although you are a crazy ass over analyzer. It works though, right?

So I haven’t checked my weight in weeks, 'cause I was gaining a few pounds here and there. So this week the folks at work were like “you look smaller” “what are you done to now, 30lbs drop”.

I have no clue I got sick of the scale every week, I may shoot for once a month or I may say fuck it and never touch it again unless I have to. I look smaller, my clothes are bigger, my definition (as much as a fat guy can have) is getting better and the best part is my strength is still moving up.

I did switch from a power lifting based program to a power building routine and I think that has made a difference in the weight gain. Kinda feel I’m sparking new growth. I’m still keeping the log for food in this forum, but need to get a workout one going, but will probably go to another related forum for that.

Keep up the good work, and if you’re happy with the way you look who cares about that damn scale.

Later

Hey B,

Thanks man! I’m doing alright with it all, making the proper adjustments at the right time is helping.
Glad to hera things are working well for you.

I’m just throwing my lifting routines in this forum too, i think the diet and lifting go hand and hand with the AD. I am also getting stronger.

I just finished my creatine loading phase (I know its kicking in cuz it makes me break out like i’m in Highschool again… FUCK!!!) O well as long as it works.

Had my carb up this weekend, went well (went off the clean routine for a meal and got sme ice cream wit my girl… ) Other than that all is well and I think I may drop to 2600 cals this week. Protein is up and fat is getting lowered.

Hey i also got blood work done incase anyone was interested, My cholesterol was at 130 (not too good aparanently for a guy mmy age. I went out and just bought different eggs (less sat fat) They should be good, forget the name but they sell them everywhere (they have omega 3’s in them as well…

P.U.S.H.

Just had a great chest and Bi’s routine

Chest
Incline db press (i may go lighter and get 10 on all 3 sets, I died out on my last)
DB flat press (same thing, lil lighter, I was really feeling a pump today)
Bar decline (185lbs x 10)
DB over heads (Arnold style) good squeeze at the top
I did a tri set w/ cable chest fly’s
-High
-Mid
-Low
really good (hadn’t done cables in a while)

Bi’s
-Standing barbell curl (went a lil heavier today 3 x 8 reps) Really felt it, finished wit a drop set of 10 reps

  • concentration curl (3 x 10)

Hit some abs in the beginning of my routine pre weights…

You think i did too much for chest??
I am really not touching any cardio equipment ( I do staionary bike 5-10 mins to warmup pre every wrkt)

I walk on an incline after my legs day for 15-20 mins (stretch)

I am trying to let the downsize in calories do the fat burning, if I need to add the cardio I will.

Yo GJ,
I may have to start lifting in the morning, the shake you said to have I was gonna try to go wit a half scoop of whey iso, 6-8 0z egg white international eggs, Spinach leaves, and some fish oil… WHat do you think? An hr b4 my routine, like you said. Will that be enough time to digest? I don’t wanna feel it when i lift…

Also do you have breakfast after that or do you just go through the rest of your meals (PWO shake) etc…??

HIT ME UP!

Yo man,

I dont think you are doing too much for chest work…looks fine and if you are getting stronger or at least maintaing strength whilst dieting, keep it in.

Regarding reduction in calories…I would perform more work, before dropping calories…i.e start doing some cardio. Maybe start with 2 20mins sessions a week.

Yeah, the shake looks fine bro and yeah a good hour before lifting. I dont think you will feel it whilst training…I dont. BUT if you do, have it a bit earlier. Evryone is a bit different ey. One of my friends HAD to eat a can of tuna and peaches RIGHT before he lifted and if he didnt, he couldnt train as well…I personally think it was a mental thing.

Yeah, have your pwo shake straight after lifting and your pwo meal 1.5 hrs later…just like you would normally.

GJ

GJ,

Here is a question for ya. I know that in order to lose weight you have to burn more cals than you take in. So that is y I have been gradually rdeucing my cals. My question is how many cals do you think a person burns in a 1 hr session of weight lifting. Me for example, no cardio, just weights and a strict diet.

I cut down a while ago and my cals were around 2400-2600 (thats where i was intending to get back to but AD style)

I def can add some cardio, I just always feel that there is no leeway with cardio and maintaining muscle mass ( Steady state, 20 min sessions what your talkin bout??)

I could always hit cardio in the AM on an empty stomach like i used to do (I dont know id its necessary with the AD and cal reductions) Let me know what you think. I am getting my weight and bf tested this weekend hopefully. If there is no change from last week I will add some cardio (2-3 sessions a week, 20 mins post weights steady state incline 12% incline @ 3.0 speed)

I changed from groud beef to ground turkey. The eggs I bout are Egglands Best (EB), good stuff I guess. Protein is still high 330g, fat grams are at 140g.

Hey has anyone tried the protein on this site, Metabolic Drive. I was reading an article in the site and they say its one of the best out there… Just wanted to see if anyone used it???

I’m cutting on this diet. On the 3rd day now. Weigh around 90kg and am shooting for 2300 kcal/day not including the carb ups. Don’t know how high or low that is, but I’m hoping for great success in maintaining or gaining strength and losing around 10 pounds of fat.

enjoying a diet of

meat
fish
eggs
cheese
nuts
berries
greens

with around 40g fiber, 30g carbs, 200g protein, and 150g fat/day

I read that one is supposed to wait two weeks before the carb up. Does it matter if you were eating low-carb before (like 150g)?

some glycogen depleting workouts would be pretty fun.

edit- holy crap, if I go on this diet will I grow lats like you gymjunkie?

Yo man,

There are way too many variables to predict how many calories you would burn during a weight session. Your metabolism, rest periods, intensity ect…its way too hard.

I f you find your overall results are better by reducing your calories and not doing cardio then do that bro. Only YOU know whats best for your body after trying various methods.

What did you mean by this?:

( Steady state, 20 min sessions what your talkin bout??)

GJ

Yo man,

There are way too many variables to predict how many calories you would burn during a weight session. Your metabolism, rest periods, intensity ect…its way too hard.

I f you find your overall results are better by reducing your calories and not doing cardio then do that bro. Only YOU know whats best for your body after trying various methods.

Oh and yeah, I am talking about 20 mins steady state at about 125 BPM.

Dude,

I am thinkin of getting my biosignature test done over here in Melbs. You heard about this test? Charles Poliquin and other coaches carry this out.

It is a bf test, 12 site and will tell you more about your hormonal balance(or imbalance) and hence be able to give you a better supplement, diet protocols etc.

Over time I have learned a fair bit about diet protocols but it would be good to find out what my body really needs once and for all…plus it will take care of problematic fat area!!!

GJ

I am actually a biosignature practitioner and I highly recommend it! The results I can deliver far exceed what someone would acheive on their own. The thing with biosignature is that it is customized to the individual.

when I work with a biosig client I can tell them EXACTLY what THEY need to do, the type of training, customized supplementation and A diet that is right for them as of where they are now and where they want to be. I know this may seem like a bit of a shameless plug but, this really is the best system to achieve results as fast as possible. Here are some links if you guys would like to learn more or feel free to PM me for more details.

http://www.ppcchicago.com/articles/biosignature-modulation.php

Yo GJ,
Steady state is just (walking rather than HIIT) I usually do steady state incline walking 12% incline at 3.0 speed after my lifting. Thats all…

Myths about Traditional Cardio:
1.Frequent Traditional Cardio is the best way to get Lean
2.The best time to burn fat with Cardio is after a weight workout
3.Doing a long cardio session before a weight workout will help to lose body fat
4.Low Intensity Cardio will produce great body fat losses

Dr. Eric Serrano MD is a highly sought after expert who has worked with countless athletes, bodybuilders and every day people seeking results. He believes that the body will learn to store fat in certain areas if repetitive cardio work is done for long durations. He has explained in several seminars that the body will improve its ability to store fat as a part of a natural survival mechanism.

Remember that the body is focused on survival and losing body fat is not a priority. Your body produces certain catabolic hormones such as cortisol to maintain and add body fat in desperate situations such as starvation. Typically long durations of repetitive exercise goes hand in hand with starvations states such as being stuck in thick jungles or endless deserts. You are forced to walk or run long distances in these situations and the body must slow fat loss to a grinding halt by raising stress hormones to preserve life.

Traditional cardio has been proven to produce higher levels of stress hormones such as cortisol, which are linked to increased levels of body fat. Why do an activity that will create a situation where your body will want to gain or preserve body fat? Furthermore elevated levels of catabolic stress hormones will result in losses of lean body mass, which is essential for maintaining a high metabolic rate.

If your having trouble dropping belly fat I would NOT recommend walking on an incline infact, it is likely the aerobic work that you are doing which is contributing to the problem. When you perform cardio, initially your going to loose fat because the body sees it as a new stressor but, over time (it varries with individuals as to when) your body adjusts and what you are left with is NO fat loss and a RISE in cortisol (the product of exercising on low kcals at a low impact in an aerobic state for a duration) Have you ever wondered why the people who you see doing the MOST cardio look the worst?

Additionally, aerobics cause oxidative stress in the body which depletes your stores of ANTIoxidants and can disrupt everything from health to sleeping (also raising cortisol). Some other cortisol raising stresses people often overlook are: allergic reactions to foods, supplements, disrupted sleep, environmental toxins and the list goes on. It is not realistic to assume one can completely eliminate ALL stressors but with something like aerobics you have control over wether you are going to do them or not and I would say NOT:-)

As for your training, I don’t recommend metabolic circuts because: you are in the gym to BUILD muscle, not burn fat. The muscle you build is going to burn the fat throughout the day and this is where getting lean will come from. Every pound of muscle you add equates to an additional 50 kcal expenditure on average per day. Now, when I say BUILD I am not necessasarily talking about some BULKY muscle (although you could do this if it were your goal) I am talking about increasing strength and mitochondria as well.

In terms of training IF you are having problems with management of insulin, you may benefit from some type of higher volume hypertrophy type of work or if low GH and poor sleep is limiting your procress Something in line with advanced GBC is very effective. Again it comes back to your biosig evaluation and finding the right training and protocol for you. Something you and others may be interested in is that through www.thejuicedmoose.com I am in the process of putting together something where you will be able to correspond for biosignature with me if that is something you or others are interested in.

If you guys want to find out more you can pm me. In the meantime though, SKIP on the aerobics and Don’t keep dropping kcals. Instead I would look to cut cheese, crap meats, and watch food choices for carb ups.

OK Laroyal, thx man!

I like the sound of adding muscle. It actually brings me to my next post.

I finally got my supplements in. Like a stated in a previous post I am studying to be a personal trainer. Through my reading I found a few supplements that I wanted to try, Ribose and MCT (Medium Chan Triglycerides) are the 2 primary ones.

Since I have to change my lifting schedule to the early AM hrs I was thinking about adding 1 tbsp of MCT’s, 1 tbsp ribose, I scoop whey, 6-8 oz of egg whites (from international) and 1 cup spinach leaves and making my shake… I think this is a good combo.

Laroyal I hear ya on cleaning things up, I have been and could go even further by ccutting the cheeses’ out. (I have been having 1 slice swiss in the AM and 1 polly o cheese as a snack along w/ beef jerky) You think I should take one of them out?

I finally recieved my XPAND…!
CANNOT WAIT TO TRY THIS
LEGS TOMORROW-HITTING IT UP :slight_smile:

I think I am going to post my latest meals and supps. If you guys got any advice/wanna take something from me, whatever. I’ll be back

sounds like my planned approach tightslick

I’m also on day 4. I felt really tired yesterday but very good today. Wonder if you can fat adapt that fast?

Yo,

Laroyal has some great points on low intensity cardio AND I really like his ideas on gaining muscle to burn fat. I am simply using CT’s recommendations of Heavy work, which has kept/built muscle mass and metabolic circuits, which seems to be working well.

I am VERY confused re steady state cardio, as again, this has been recommended to me by CT, who I know is fairly experienced and seen good results with his athletes…thats the only reason why I would take advice from him - results.

However, EVERYTHINGS Laroyal is saynig makes perfect sense really and further confuses me as to whether to continue with my current program or not. Each coach has there own opinions and sees diff results with their athletes I guess. I have made my appointment to get my biosignature done and I think that will help put me on the RIGHT path for MY body.

Thanks for the info Layoral…Hope you aint mad that I recommended steady state cardio to tighslick, after you recommended I do HIIT. The only reason I didnt employ this, is because Im on a ketogenic diet, and I have read that this is the worse type of cardio to perform whilst on low-no carbs.

GJ

[quote]Gymjunkie wrote:
Yo,

Laroyal has some great points on low intensity cardio AND I really like his ideas on gaining muscle to burn fat. I am simply using CT’s recommendations of Heavy work, which has kept/built muscle mass and metabolic circuits, which seems to be working well.

I am VERY confused re steady state cardio, as again, this has been recommended to me by CT, who I know is fairly experienced and seen good results with his athletes…thats the only reason why I would take advice from him - results.

However, EVERYTHINGS Laroyal is saynig makes perfect sense really and further confuses me as to whether to continue with my current program or not. Each coach has there own opinions and sees diff results with their athletes I guess. I have made my appointment to get my biosignature done and I think that will help put me on the RIGHT path for MY body.

Thanks for the info Layoral…Hope you aint mad that I recommended steady state cardio to tighslick, after you recommended I do HIIT. The only reason I didnt employ this, is because Im on a ketogenic diet, and I have read that this is the worse type of cardio to perform whilst on low-no carbs.

GJ[/quote]

Haha, no worries, some people like their steady state cardio:-) You will enjoy meeting with Anthony in Austrailia, he is a great guy and is pretty impressive as a natural bodybuilder! When it comes to cardio, in a nutshell I only add it if all else fails.

When I can confirm someone’s diet is in check, they are training correctly for their goals and on the right biosig protocol, should they not make gains I may throw some HIIT or GPP in there but in my years of practice this rarely if ever happens! I would say if you are getting the results you want and what you think you are capeable of then keep doing it, but if not it may likely be time for a change.

It is important to think about how things work. What effect will cardio have (extra calories burned but at the expense of an optimal hormonal enviornement) what is going to benefit you more in the long run? If you drop your kcals it is less total but, what are the effects of that? Lower leptin, thyroid output, and muscle building fuel. Are you taking the right supplements for YOU?

Biosig will answer these issues for you and I think you will be amazed at how great you are going to do! Best of luck and feel free to PM me or post if you have any questions I may be able to help with!

Ok fellas,
I start my morning workout routines TODAY!

Yo GJ,
Just had my shake (its 6AM)
8 oz egg whites international
1 scoop Allmax IsoFlex Protein
1 cup Spinach
1 tbsp MCT oil
1 scoop Ribose

(Xpand, L-Carnitine, BCAA’S) pre wrkt

The shake looked like shit but tasted goood.
Good thing I’m used to eating like a meat head or I never woulda let that cup near my mouth. hahaha

So Ima hit legs today, gonna try to throw some abs in and also some steady state at tehe end to stretch it out…if i got the time.

I’ll be back on lata (gonna throw my newest 2600cal diet up)

Have a good day brotha’s

Alright,
So here’s the deal. I think I need to change my training split:
Monday=chest and Bi’s
Tuesday= back and Tri’s, (traps)
Wednesday= Quads, Hams, Calves
Thursday= Shoulders, Traps, Neck
Friday= Bi’s, Tri’s, Forearms

Today I did my leg routine, was great. However I was feeling my deadlifts (lower back) through some exercises in my leg routine (leg press).

So I was wondering if you guys had any ideas to possibly switch things up.
I do not want to lift on the weekends (MY CARB UP… Just wanna recover and chill)

I am stumped cuz I do not want to have chest and shoulders near each other,nor back and legs (obviously), back and shoulders could work (but than I will have to stop doing bb shrugs wit back) I also want to keep my arm wrkts at the end of the week so I give me bi’s and tri’s plenty of rest (from my combo days)…

TODAY’S LEG ROUTINE…
10 min stationary bike warmup
*Leg Ext warmup 2 x 20-15
-Squat ( *warmup, 10, 8, 8, 6 215 last set)
-Leg press (3 x 8, drop set from 6 plates to 4 to 2… burnt)

  • Walking DB lunges… 2 sets HOLY SHIT!
  • Leg ext 3 x 10, drop last set
    -Leg Curl 3 x 10, drop last set
    Standin calf raise - 3 x 12
    Seated calf raise - 3 x 12

Real good workout, did not have time for abs or post wrkt cardio

Ima hit abbs tomorrow pre shoulder routine and think (after reading Laroyal’s posts that cardio will be added when necessary) Let the muscle build…

HIT ME UP …

[quote]tightslick1 wrote:
Alright,
So here’s the deal. I think I need to change my training split:
Monday=chest and Bi’s
Tuesday= back and Tri’s, (traps)
Wednesday= Quads, Hams, Calves
Thursday= Shoulders, Traps, Neck
Friday= Bi’s, Tri’s, Forearms

Today I did my leg routine, was great. However I was feeling my deadlifts (lower back) through some exercises in my leg routine (leg press).

So I was wondering if you guys had any ideas to possibly switch things up.
I do not want to lift on the weekends (MY CARB UP… Just wanna recover and chill)

I am stumped cuz I do not want to have chest and shoulders near each other,nor back and legs (obviously), back and shoulders could work (but than I will have to stop doing bb shrugs wit back) I also want to keep my arm wrkts at the end of the week so I give me bi’s and tri’s plenty of rest (from my combo days)…

TODAY’S LEG ROUTINE…
10 min stationary bike warmup
*Leg Ext warmup 2 x 20-15
-Squat ( *warmup, 10, 8, 8, 6 215 last set)
-Leg press (3 x 8, drop set from 6 plates to 4 to 2… burnt)

  • Walking DB lunges… 2 sets HOLY SHIT!
  • Leg ext 3 x 10, drop last set
    -Leg Curl 3 x 10, drop last set
    Standin calf raise - 3 x 12
    Seated calf raise - 3 x 12

Real good workout, did not have time for abs or post wrkt cardio

Ima hit abbs tomorrow pre shoulder routine and think (after reading Laroyal’s posts that cardio will be added when necessary) Let the muscle build…

HIT ME UP …[/quote]

A Great 4 day split that frees up your weekends is:
Monday: Chest (pressing)/ Back (rowing), 1 Exercise bis/ 1 exercise tris
Tuesday: Quad Dominant
Wed: off
Thursday: Back (pulldowns/ pullups) / Shoulders, 1 Bicep/ 1 tricep exercise
Friday Hip Dominant (deallifts, hamstrings)